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Police say newly freed gang member killed California officerROBERT JABLON,Associated Press 8 hours ago LOS ANGELES (AP) β A gang member who was recently freed from jail killed his cousin and stole his car Monday then shot and killed a California police officer and wounded his partner before being wounded himself, authorities said. Whittier Officer Keith Lane Boyer died and Officer Patrick Hazell was wounded when they answered a report of a traffic accident in the eastern Los Angeles County suburb. A motorist pointed out the location of the car that had rear-ended his vehicle, and the officers approached the driver. "When they get him out of the car, they go to pat him down for weapons, they can see he's got tattoos all over his face and all over his neck," county sheriff's Lt. John Corina said. The man then pulled a semi-automatic handgun from his waistband and opened fire at the officers, who were wearing bulletproof vests and shot back, Corina said. "They walked up on the vehicle believing the motorist was in need of medical help and then they ended up in a gunfight for their lives," Sheriff Jim McDonnell said. Whittier Police Chief Jeff Piper wept as he described Boyer as a friend of more than 25 years. "All of us have been grieving," the chief said. "And I didn't think I had any tears left." Gov. Jerry Brown issued a statement of condolence. Capitol flags were ordered to be flown at half-staff in his honor. Monday night, hundreds of people held a candlelight vigil for Boyer at police headquarters. Piper told them that he planned to write a song for Boyer, who played with him in an off-duty band. The suspect, a 26-year-old gang member, had a history of serious crimes and had been granted early release from Los Angeles County jail about a week ago, Corina said. He didn't know the nature of his offense. His name wasn't immediately released. Earlier Monday, he shot and killed his cousin in East Los Angeles and took his car, which later rear-ended another car in the neighboring city of Whittier, Corina said. He got out and asked those he had hit to help push his stolen car from the intersection. Boyer and Hazell didn't know any of those details when they answered the report of a car accident, Corina said. Boyer was pronounced dead at a hospital. Hazell, a three-year veteran, and the suspect were hospitalized in stable condition and were expected to live. After the shooting, a long line of police cars escorted the slain officer's body from a hospital in Irvine to the coroner's office. Mourners placed candles and flowers outside police headquarters. Boyer joined the force as a dispatcher in 1989 and became a full-time officer in 1990. A divorced father who played the drums, he was "the best of the best" who was sought for advice by his colleagues and superiors, the chief said. Boyer recently talked to the chief about retiring. The Whittier Police Department has about 125 sworn officers who patrol Whittier and Santa Fe Springs. https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-police-officer-killed-during-traffic-accident-195657703.html
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I can see where this is intended to go ..Let's see if it gets there .
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I bet the bad guy was one of "Them"!
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This is why I believe you should just execute violent crime offenders. I have no compassion for thugs.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
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Some people are so irredeemable that lockup is the only place they should live.
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This is why I believe you should just execute violent crime offenders. I have no compassion for thugs. That's a bit of a blanket statement. It's not always so black and white.........
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nevermind....
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quote above by Clem:
"Some people are so irredeemable that lockup is the only place they should live."
I've come to believe that this is an unavoidable truth of human nature.
And probably unavoidably always will be.
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which is why you let them be executed instead of wasting millions keeping them locked up
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
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Yeah, no bueno. Still, I wonder what we can do as a society to prevent these attitudes in gangs, find ways to rehabilitate others, and strive to find humanity in the people who appear the most "inhumane".
I taught teenagers and young adults who claimed colors. 90% of the kids in the charter school claimed some sort of affiliation. I taught non-fiction pieces from MLK and Malcom X, and the connections my kids made blew me away. They wrote their own "Letter From Birmingham Jail" in my class, and actually preferred MLK to Malcolm X in the end. I think what we need in the inner-city stretches from better community-law enforcement relations, a culturally relevant curriculum in every school, and people willing to interact with people radically different from their own background.
We need to lift up our inner-cities, try to prevent these tradgedies, and find a way to create a critical but productive dialogue for both sides.
Yet, I understand the battle that exists. A guy I once knew told me "your students would be better off with a bullet through their heads than with my tax dollars providing for their education." I stopped knowing him that day. We need to find ways to educate individuals like the guy I once knew.
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Lucas County YTC: ("Youth Treatment Center.") A euphemism for "Juvie Lock-up." Juvenile Offenders... on their way toward being recidivist 'multiple hard-core offenders'- and at least semi-permanent members of 'America's Criminal Undeclass.' Former classmates of current students at the Toledo School for the Arts. (Google this school, Dawgs. Oh, just fuggit- I'll do all the work for you... I see these street-hardened kids 4 times per school year. They've come to know my face. About 4 years ago, a hardass in-house 'Bosskid' tried to de-rail our presentation. After the teachers and 'proctors' (read: "jail guards") regained control of the classroom, we finished our demo. At the end of our our lecture, I asked to talk to the disruptor for a moment... one-on one. They said yes... but only if we talked in a secured room, with 2 guards present. Yes... my old-ass, gray-haired self took on this street tough, one-on-one. We talked for about 5-10 minutes or so, that day. During that talk, we actually found out that his neighbor, Tia, was a student at TSA. I used her as an example, in my private one-on-one with him. "Young Dogg... do you understand that the difference between you and Tia is one address on a city block? Do you understand that the difference between where she's going and where you are is ONE ADDRESS on a city block? Ask yourself: what's the difference between you and her?" This kid could only answer (in a whisper): "Our Moms'. This street-tough, 'Potential Killer of Other Americans' averted his gaze, looked at the floor... and barely whispered his answer to me. This 15-year-old 'almost man' was humbled, by the combination of a question asked by a gray-haired American Black Man old enough to be his grandfather, juxtaposed against his memory of a neighborhood Girl who was following a social trajectory totally opposite of his own. Education was the dividing point. That street-tough kid broke (TF) DOWN in that room that day. He fought back his tears... and lost. He opened up to me- a total stranger- and told me how he'd carried a crush for Tia since they were in Elementary School... and how he'd always wanted to live up to the kind of person who'd have a shot with her. When I asked him: "What was the difference between your life and Tias?" His answer: "Our Moms." Physically separated by one city block, but world apart. And then, this street-hardened kid totally lost it. He wanted me to hold him in my arms, but policy and protocol prevented it. Heart: broken that day. If we can't find a way to grab and hold the kids who are on the margins of our society, we're gonna see much more of this. I wonder how Dylann Roof's life might have been changed for the better, had he met his victims months/years before he chose to do what he did. I choose to unite people across all barriers. (Other Dawgs' mileage may vary).
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Some folks don't deserve a second bite at the apple.. Some just need to stay in prison.
This guy is clearly one of those that belong behind bars.
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Any empathy at all for what police officers have to deal with on a daily basis?
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I wonder if this guy was let out early while serving time for a non-violent weed charge?
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I wonder if this guy was let out early while serving time for a non-violent weed charge? He was convicted of a felony robbery charge as a member of a gang in 2010 ... paroled in 14 ... while on parole he was arrested for grand theft and vehicle theft .... released early on that sentance ...
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I wonder if this guy was let out early while serving time for a non-violent weed charge? He was convicted of a felony robbery charge as a member of a gang in 2010 ... paroled in 14 ... while on parole he was arrested for grand theft and vehicle theft .... released early on that sentance ... Got it thanks. I poked around earlier but hadn't seen any information released yet about what he was in for. I have to admit my comment about the "non-violent weed" charge was a bit tongue in cheek. In many other threads where we talk about non-violent offenses and incarceration, IMO many Dawgs see only the charge, see it's "non-violent", look at the sentence, then conclude that it is excessive. As if these are one off incidents. Now there are some states with the BS 3 strikes laws that people do get in to situations where they are being punished excessively. I'm not referencing that. I'm talking about the other States that don't and we see people in on lengthy sentences for "non-violent" crimes. What I think some Dawgs don't take in to consideration is that many of these offenders are repeat offenders. Either for that type of crime i.e. stealing cars... or it may be their first burglary, but they have a history of robbery, assaults, etc. Just because it's your first Burglary charge, it doesn't mean your Robbery and Assault convictions won't have an impact on your sentence. My experience is that these gang members who are this tatted up, they are legit. It's their chosen profession. These aren't the guys you are going to convince to go straight with a degree from Devry. Not saying tattoos themselves are a sign of criminal behavior (I have several and I'll let you Dawgs guess at what I got on Spring Break '01 on my lower back). But when you are running it up on to your neck and face, that's an extreme level of commitment. This is a tragic incident to be sure. But will it amount to anything beyond an anecdotal story?
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This is a tragic incident to be sure. But will it amount to anything beyond an anecdotal story? It will be a counter story the next time a cop pulls over a tatted up black guy and that guy reaches for his phone and gets shot and people scream about shooting an unarmed man.... and these lives will be volleyed back and forth like political footballs to make a point.
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This headline could just as easily read "Cop killed by rare miniature meteor!" and that meteor would have to be an illegal... This is a tragedy and obviously this guy should never have been released, but you can't prevent this kind of useless violence with fear. I remember when we had spines.
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This headline could just as easily read "Cop killed by rare miniature meteor!" and that meteor would have to be an illegal... This is a tragedy and obviously this guy should never have been released, but you can't prevent this kind of useless violence with fear. I remember when we had spines. No, I don't think you can ever 100% prevent anything from happening, but using basic intelligence and placing a value on actual life and people that is greater than a fear of "hurting someone's feelings" goes a long way in mitigating such incidents.
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can he get executed already?
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but you can't prevent this kind of useless violence with fear. That wasn't my intent. My intent is that police officers have a very dangerous job and their lives are at risk far too often. They also get a bad rap from many segments of the population. Like every other group, there are good and bad w/in their population. Unfairly classifying all police officers due to the bad acts of a few is unfair, biased, and narrow-minded. I have empathy for what our police officers have to deal with while trying to do their jobs. Btw---------Devil, was it a tat of The World Trade Center?
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