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Prove it. I don't see anything wrong with attempting to build an entire D-line instead of just one spot. We have a major need at DT and DE. Just drafting Garrett is not going to fix it. I think having Allen and Barnett on both sides of Danny Shelton could have more of an impact than Garrett and a missing link at DT.

Is there another DT in this draft anywhere near Allen's talent? I don't really think so. I think it's a VERY sharp drop off from Allen while there are several very good DE. Since it's not likely that we end up with both taking the DT might fill our needs better.

Also just because some NFL teams don't do it my way doesn't mean it's wrong. I mean there are a LOT of bad GMs who get fired left and right for bad drafting. Yet you're so confident my idea is "dumb" and all those fired GM's are right. But yeah being told my ideas are dumb without any real reasoning is not offensive at all ...

Barnett, Shelton, Allen, Ogbah to me is a lot better than Garrett, Shelton, ???, Ogbah.

Would you say Donald is special?

OK... Would you say Geno Atkins is special?

What makes a guy special has nothing to do with any measurables. Off the chart measurables make a guy a special athlete,not a special player. Heart, desire, will, paired with good athletic ability make a guy special.

I like how he echoed alot of what most think but are still fooling themselves thinking that a QB is going to go at 1...he doesn't think any are worth top 10..I agree..too much defensive talent this year...this is the year that QB's will fall I think. He has us trading with NE 12 for Garrapalo, I'm not sure he's worth that..I guess it is just going to depend on how many buyers for Jimmy G there will be..I'd like to think we can get him at 33, or maybe trade back up into the first round somewhere and trade. Too much talent at the top to take a risk on a NE QB imo.

It's staring us right in the face, this is a deep draft for D talent. We should draft impact players on D and build on what we already have. Those impact players will make the guys we have better. You can draft early for D and fill in O needs with later picks and FA. If we can get JG with a 2 this year and a 2 or 3 next year do it. JMO

yeah my biggest fear is taking a QB for the sake of taking one, though there really isn't that franchise type QB in this draft. I think how this FO handles the FA and Draft this year is going to be quite telling

Give me Garrett/Caleb Brantley over Allen/Barnett.

First article doesn't do anything but support my ideas.

"After all of the information was discussed, our GM would then ask the scouts to compare the player we just went over to other players at his position. Once we found a landing spot for him at his position, we compared him to players across the board that were given a similar grade."

This is how players with similar grades are given hierarchy on a team's board.

"There's evidently no hard-line guide to scouting -- it's as much an art as it is a science -- and the recent success by the two schools of thought reinforces this."


The second article reinforces what I said. The third doesn't change anything either. Using the point scale from the third article ...

Vertically you have DE
Garrett 8
Solomon 7
Barnett 7

DT
Allen 8
Caleb 6.5
Malik 6.5

Point wise Allen and Barnett is better than Garrett and Caleb or malik. Plus you get the draft pick value of what you get for trading back to #3. Plus you get the bonus of having your D-line for the next 5 years which is THE most important part of your defense.

So it's your opinion that Caleb is a better player than Barnett then? Why? For me I think Barnett is a FAR superior talent than Caleb.

eotab...
Donald went at pick no. 13, Allen is projected as high as no. 2. How was Donald better coming out?

Here are some measurables from the 2013 draft:

6-3 297 ran 4.92, jumped 30", no bench
6-3 299 ran 5.08, jumped 27", and benched 29
by your accounts player one should be better and was drafted before player no. 2
Player 2 went in round two, player 1 in round 1
here are the nfl stats from player 1 last year-he didn't play this year-34 tackles 2.5 sacks
now player 2-55 tackles 11 sacks, this year he had 55 tackles 6 sacks
player 1- Shariff Floyd
Player 2- Kwaan Short
there are examples like this in EVERY draft.

Okay Razor.........teams don't have Vertical and Horizontal boards.

I just need to remember not to try and answer questions when you and ed ask them.

draft boards

https://cbsdallas.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/ctdraftboard14.pdf

http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/assets/4429749/Screen_Shot_2014-05-08_at_11.35.41_PM.png

j/c

Teams have vertical and horizontal draft boards. Teams also have a strategy or plan that is executed by the GM.

A team's draft board helps determine the strategy.

There are 32 teams that all do it their own way. I am sure more than a few look at just more than picking player X at Y spot. They are going to go through a whole slew of many and different draft scenarios and situations.

Then again if they had drafted like I wanted to over the past 10 years our team would look a hell of a lot better than it does now LOL.

Why do you think Allen is a better fit for a 34? He's much closer to the proto-type for 3-tech/43 DT then he is for a 5-tech/34 DL

You know the combine hasn't happened yet?

Because he can pass rush and contain the edge in a 3-4. He has bigger responsibilities there that he can do.

I'm not insulted, not at all just saying that measurables are NOT everything which is kinda what you were saying. Gave you an example of that, that's all. Anybody who says that measurables will show up on the field, which is exactly what you said, and doesn't take into account a kids will, desire, and want is the one who is not credible.

I only used stats to back up my point, showing you that the player with the better combine numbers was not the better player on the field, again just what you said, Kawaan Short was the better player on the field not Shariff Floyd.

Not trying to discredit anything, just don't look at measurables as a defining factor in a guys ability to play football, to be honest I didn't think you'd be the type who would.

There are also some players that play better when it's game time and the adrenaline is pumping. They seldom do well for drills where there is no live action supplying them with adrenaline.

This was, right here was my exact point I was trying to make.

I think he could play 5-tech also but a 5-tech typically has more length because they are often asked to play 2-gaps. 3-tech is all about getting upfield penetration and pass rush and that's Allen strength. And from a physical build standpoint he's again much closer to the prototype 3-tech then 5-tech.

Watch him drop.

Without some scandal, injury or some kind of freakout at QB, he won't drop lower than top 3.

We'll see.

LOL, exactly!

Vers...

I don't know if he'll get by Jacksonville at 4. If he does, anyone from 5-11 could take him, if not, for some reason, he'd be there at 12 for us. Would you take him at 12, assuming no Garrapolo trade with that pick?

Oh, I don't think he'll last that long.

He's a good, solid player and I think he might slip a bit because he doesn't "flash" as much as some others. But, I could be dead wrong. It's just an opinion and not a strong one, at that.

If leonard williams can drop so can Allen. Williams>Allen

In my opinion Allen> Williams or Buckner or Armstead or a lot of others.

I am just wondering if Allen = Donald???

If we had a great edge rusher I would take Allen in a heartbeat.

I do not think Allen is close to Donald.