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Never understood all the people on this forum that consider Tyrod such a bad option. Tyrod is developing but productive QB that played on team with limited talent around and lead them to .500 record. That's with average at best coaching/offensive system, average offensive talent in a tough division with a clown show front office. Dodged that bullet! lol

U think RG3 is good also ...

I don't think TT is accurate at all ... if u do ... its a difference of opinion...

Taylor ended the 2016 regular season with the 10th-best overall grade among all QBs, at 84.7. That’s higher than Alex Smith, Ben Roethlisberger, Jameis Winston, Andy Dalton and—here is the big one—Dak Prescott. Last year, Taylor was seventh (88.3).

Now, Taylor doesn’t have the best offensive line in the game like Prescott, or a running back that has carried the ball 322 times at 5.0 yards per carry behind it, and they are very different QBs—but the difference in perception is notable.

Prescott is celebrated as the next great franchise QB in Dallas, and is keeping Tony Romo on the bench—a player it looked like Jerry Jones would ride until he functioned no more. Meanwhile, Taylor has a large and vocal section of his own supporters campaigning for his replacement. Obviously, Prescott is a rookie, so the situations are far from direct comparisons, but it’s worth appreciating where Taylor is in terms of PFF grading, which comes from watching and grading every snap each player takes, not just computing some complex formula of stats. Tape shows that Taylor is a lot better than many are giving him credit for.

But if you need more evidence than PFF’s say-so for Taylor’s play, it’s there. One of the most important facets of a QB’s play in today’s NFL is how he deals with pressure. League-wide, pressure causes a drop of 33.0 points in passer rating, and QBs are pressured on almost exactly one-third of all dropbacks (33.6 percent). In passer rating terms this season, that’s the equivalent of turning Tom Brady into Colin Kaepernick simply by applying pressure, or Matthew Stafford into Jared Goff, and it happens, on average, on a third of a QB’s dropbacks, typically.

Tyrod Taylor versus pressure in the 2016 NFL season

Tyrod Taylor vs pressure

Not only does Taylor’s passer rating decline less than that of most players (14.3 points this season), but he has maintained a consistently-high passer rating when pressured over the past two seasons. This year, he recorded a passer rating of 80.1 when hurried; last season, it was 87.6. Those figures rank seventh and fifth in the league, respectively, and represent a QB that can still function at a high level when hurried and moved off his spot. If anything, they do him a disservice, because they don’t factor in the plays he makes when scrambling, which is a bigger weapon for Taylor than other QBs. He has over 550 rushing yards in each of the past two years, and each season, more than 400 of those have been on scrambles, adding four touchdowns to his tally over that span on passing plays where he took off to make a play on the ground.

Those numbers also combat the argument that Taylor has one of the league’s best run games to prop him up. He is adding 550-plus yards to that run game himself each season to make it look far better than it would with a less-mobile QB behind it. Buffalo has a league-leading 2,630 rushing yards this season, but Taylor accounts for 22.0 percent of them, and 23.3 percent of the team’s total in 2015.

That rushing threat is not necessarily a net win for him as a player, because what he gains on the ground, others may gain through the air, and he sacrifices those opportunities when he does run. However, it’s important to break down where the success comes from.

Taylor also makes big plays that many QBs can’t match. As attractive as a game manager is for teams to build around because he will give you a consistent and defined level of play, Taylor’s brand of play gives a team the ability to come back from deficits in a way a game manager couldn’t.

I don't need stats nor articles by so called experts to form my opinion ... I use my EYES ...

To be fair to Ed, he hasn't pimped RG3 a whole lot since September (but then, how could he?).
A healthy Sammy Watkins would have been a help in 2016, although Tyrod had a 1,200-yard rusher.
I will say that while Tyrod's stats aren't bad, I'm not sure he's a winner.
Why do I say that, you ask?
Buffalo doesn't win.

Behind our line, he'd have gotten beat up. The last thing we would have wanted is a broken tyrod.
*ahem*

U keep using your stats to form your opinion ... I'll keep watching games to form mine ...

I don't need stats nor articles by so called experts to form my opinion ... I use my EYES ...

Short response to u cause in threads like this ... that's all the time your worth ...

Now Go find some stats and articles so u can convince others that RG3 is good ... u were so far up his ass I thought u were his brother or agent when we signed him ... *L* ...

To be fair to Ed, he hasn't pimped RG3 a whole lot since September (but then, how could he?).

Griffin is not a finished QB. He was transitioning into running a rhythm drop back west coast offense from a read-option hybrid offense the previous seasons and a spread-zone read offense in college.

I think right now, if you plugged him into an offense like the Bills he would put up numbers at least as good if not better then Tyrod.
I also believe that Griffin could quickly match and eventually surpass Alex Smith production if he were placed in KC's offense.

I think if Griffin is asked to operate a pure rhythm drop back WCO without movement i.e. bootlegs, waggles or read-option it will take him time to make the transition. And during that transition he's going to hold the ball and take sacks.

Griffin's 2 biggest issues on the field for me was not trusting what he saw; which I think was the cause of pocket issues and sacks. When Griffin trusts what he sees he's like a jugs machine. The ball comes out with velocity and accuracy. When Griffin is unsure he holds the ball and starts drifting around in the pocket. Another issue was his carriage of the ball while scrambling. Griffin had a tendency to drop the ball out of throwing position and would hold the ball like a loaf of bread which caused some fumbles and more importantly slowed the time it took to make a throw while on the run. Lastly, Griffin while very fast, is a straight line runner without little 'juking' ability. He doesn't often attempt to make people miss, he usually attempts to out run them and consequently takes way to many hits. Griffin still needs to learn to protect himself better while running and learning when/how to slide/dive to avoid contact.

I'm excited to see how this plays out. I think Hue is a great coach, not just from Xs and Os but from managing people. I also think Pep Hamilton and Al Saunders are good offensive minds. Ideally I think an offense similar to Chip Kelly's concepts would work best but I could also see Griffin having success in offenses similar to Dolphins, Seattle, Panthers and eventually the Bengals.

#1096027 - 03/29/16 06:50 PM

Challenges-

There will be several challenges in rebuilding Griffin. I agree that Griffin didn't consistently read through progressions. I think the solution to that issue is 2 fold: (1) get him reps (2) get him to completely understand the play concept.

Griffin is gonna need lots of reps. This ties into another issue: durability. You have to be healthy to get reps and in 2014 Griffin was hurt before Week 3. So Griffin is going to have to stay healthy and take lots of reps. This means being much smarter about when, where and how to get down. This imo is going to have to be an organizational/coaching staff point of emphasis. Watch tape from Cam, Russell, Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers any of the QB that can scramble and avoid big hits. They need to watch enough film of those QBs to develop a set of situational "running rules" for Griffin. Griffin needs to learn them, live them and love them. Griffin's ability as QB in this league is going to directly tied to his mastery of protecting himself. All of the talk about Griffin having a resurgence are moot if he runs leg first into Geno Atkins.


Comfort and confidence in the pocket going through progressions. Griffin needs clearly defined reads right now. Imo if you ask Griffin to drop back 35+ times and make full progression reads he's going to struggle. The difference difference between when Griffin knows the play vs when Griffin is unsure/thinking through the play is night and day. In essence you want to create a situation where Griffin feels as sure of where the ball is going as he does if he was throwing playaction. That is a very tall task. And imo, Jay had Griffin out there trying to execute full field progression reads at stage that for a more scaled back or managed approach and results were a QB who was and looked unsure.

They have to get Griffin to play without thinking and trust what he sees. Early on that's could mean relying on play-action, read-option and half field reads/hi-lo concepts. At first Griffin is going to have to be heavily managed through play calling, (ala Alex Smith w/ KC). They are gonna have to build his confidence back up with easy 'starters'/'gimme' plays.

From the coaching standpoint though, its gonna take a staff that believes in him in order to accept doing everything in their power to make him successful. And if I may say so, I think Jay's eagerness to get Kirk Cousins out there caused him to have an unusually short leash in sending Griffin to the bench.


Hue, Pep and Al are gonna have to truly understand where Griffin is in his development. Pep is going to have to be very flexible in building the playbook. They're gonna have to understand what he does/doesn't do well and limit their offense to his level of development until he's ready to expand the offense. Its unlikely that they're just going to be able to conduct a base west coast offense install and expect Griffin to understand all the concepts 100% through and through. Rather they're likely gonna have build based on what he can do. When they call a play they have to know without a doubt that Griffin understands and can execute the play at high level.

And, it could be that Griffin isn't ready to run an offense that's not any more complicated then the Bills. But, I don't think many Brown's fan's would be upset with Tyrod Taylor's level of production.





Edited by edromeo (03/29/16 07:09 PM)

this is more straight [censored]. It gets old.

Taylor just made a huge mistake.

When Glennon can get $15 mil a year, Taylor would have got $20 mil a year.

There aren't enough QB's to go around.

You three (ed, vers, diam) really need to cut it out. You all have very good football takes...no need to pee in each others Wheaties about a few differences of opinion.

I agree. So, please stop. Your posts reek of bias.

I feel like people are missing the most important part about RG3. The guy was brought in here on a super-cheap, low-risk contract. It was a 'try before you buy' scenario. In the situation we were in, with so few legit QB options, what we did was the right move. I started this thread because I thought it might be good to repeat this strategy on a similar QB with better durability.

I feel like people are missing the most important part about RG3. The guy was brought in here on a super-cheap, low-risk contract. It was a 'try before you buy' scenario. In the situation we were in, with so few legit QB options, what we did was the right move. I started this thread because I thought it might be good to repeat this strategy on a similar QB with better durability.