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Honestly, If he ran for 1,700 yards and 15 TDs no one would care... I am not condoning what he did, I just think fans will turn a blind eye if your winning.

Agree... Kid made a terrible mistake... But I'd take him in the third if he's there...

A mistake?

Wow!

Yes... I think what he did was dispicible... But I also feel that someone can do something dispicible and can be given a second chance... From all accounts he's been a model citizen since... A third rounder for a first round talent is worth a shot in my opinion... We aren't drafting for the church choir...

Good discussion in this thread at times.

No thank you, I'm more interested in seeing what Crow and Duke can do with this new Oline..I'd rather spend our draft on other positions this year.

What he did was horrible, but I'm not sure he should be defined entirely by it. It happened the night of/morning after his 18th birthday. He was a true freshman, and probably away from home for the 1st extended period in his life. There was most likely an excessive amount of alcohol involved. The rational part of his brain probably wasn't functioning very well. The victim did strike him first. I don't think he thought about retaliating. I think he just reacted. As a football player, you are "indoctrinated" in contact/violence.

It's not an excuse for his actions, but bad things happen when you mix people (especially teenagers) with alcohol. Has he learned from it? Has he changed his behaviors?

If the answers to both of those questions is yes, then I'd be "okay" with drafting him. I don't think he's someone we need to target. I kind of want to see what Darius Jackson can do, and I like Duke and Crow. We can always use more play makers, though.

I support hitting women when it comes to life threatening situations. Like if she has a weapon in her hand, like a knife or something. She's gonna get hit. At least one good strike to end the immediate threat to my life.

However, just like ray rice, this wasn't life threading to Mixon. He had no business putting his hands on her like that. You can restrain a woman, push her away, something. But in a non life threatening situation, keep your hands to yourself. I will never support just up and hitting a woman like that. So for that reason alone, I hope the team doesn't draft him.

However, if he does end up on the team, I'm not gonna pretend to hate the guy. I'm a browns fan, and I will root for him to succeed because that means the team succeeds. Hopefully he gets what he did, and it doesn't happen again.

All that being said, these chicks need to learn to keep their damn hands to themselves. There's women out there who will hit dudes simply because they EXPECT no retaliation. They expect not to have any consequence for their actions.

I don't support hitting chicks, but these women need to understand that not everybody reacts the same way. There are guys out there who are completely harmless...right up until you decide to hit them in the face. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

j/c:

This idiot has more defenders and fewer detractors than Myles Garrett.

U were in combat allegedly and they didn't teach u how to disarm male enemies much less GIRLS??? ...

If your close enough to hit her ... why not disarm her Mr. Combat? ...

Its incredible ... u DON'T HIT WOMEN ... its not that hard ...

what a stupid response.

being in the open environment in a desert running gun trucks in a firefight is world's different than being in the same room with someone with a melee weapon.

and by your own logic, you're telling the board that you would rather a woman kill you than you punch her one good time so you can...ya know, not die? a solid gut punch would do it.

sorry, i value my life. it's cool if you don't, but maybe you should talk to someone about it. I couldn't care less.

So they just sent u right out to the desert ... no hand to hand combat training ... wierd ... again ... alledgedly u were in combat ...

Just curious ... did they teach u how to shoot a gun? ....

If your close enough to hit her ... your close enough to DISARM HER ... are u to stoned to understand that ...

Go ahead ... lie away .... this is a football forum so i won't ruin it for those that haven't been indoctrinated into your version of the truth ... *LOL* ...

Bye Bye Swish ...

My problem is not just that he hit a woman, but that he sucker punched her right in the face.

If a woman came at me with a knife, or something, well, then I would do whatever I could to defend myself. If she wanted to smack me, then I would try to block her strikes, and maybe try to wrap her hands up. I cannot think of many instances, at all, where I would rear back and punch a woman in the face.

There are too many younger people today who have never learned conflict resolution, so the lash out instead of either working problems out. I have even see it in my nephews. They simply do not understand how to work out problems with other people, preferring to lash out, either verbally, or sometimes physically.

Too many times kids who live in single parent homes are exposed to violence, and/or inappropriate responses to disagreements. It has to be stopped at the source, and that means some people changing the ways they handle their lives.

you're sounding drunk again.

but regardless, if you're willing to die just so you can say you didn't hit a female in self defense in a life threatening situation, that's on you. nobody said drunks made good decisions, after all.

i, however, am not willing to just let some chick stab me. anyway, i've exceeded my tolerance of you for today.

anyway, to the actual topic. wasn't life threatening, Mixon shouldn't had done it.

i agree with that.

he shouldn't had done it, period. in a bar/club setting, you can just push her away, or as some have already said: just run out. bounce. especially due to his status, he should've been even more aware of that, never mind that he's a man and his strength could literally end her.

but hey, people, both male and females, gotta keep their hands to themselves. they come from all backgrounds, both parents in the household or not.

He was stalking her. He followed her and that gay dude in and was harassing them. He was looking for trouble. She had enough and tried to push him away.

Dude was dead-nuts wrong. And he didn't just slap her or anything. He threw a freaking powerful overhand right aimed right at her face.

There is no defense!!!!

No, still.

They teach you how to kill, not to disarm enemy combatants. Have a clue.

j/c

You never hit a woman. Period. There is nothing to add to that in my view.

Having said that, regarding this young kid -

It was 2 years ago I believe. Kid has been "clean" since. And while it points to real issues. Young kids and teenagers often have real issues and angst. . . . I'd be prepared to draft this kid in the 3rd or 4th round. A lot would depend on him owning his actions and possibly being willing to tackle them head on publicly.

As abhorrent as hitting a girl is - there are players in the NFL who have done as bad or worse. And having him on your team doesn't mean you condone or sanction or approve of his actions. In fact you can provide a platform for the guy to turn things around and work hard to bring awareness and help to a cause .... Last year Crowell posted something inflammatory online - wasn't it a drawing of someone committing violence against a policeman???? It was a truly dumb and socially unacceptable thing to have supported, but he took his lumps, apologized, reached out in society to make amends with police officers. . . . same sort of thing would need to happen.

I was all for giving Mixon a chance till I saw his proday interview. I don't believe he has any guilt, any remorse and is likely the next Lawrence Phillips. Thant smug ass smile just told a story of I can do what I want.

Heck, we don't even need a RB. We have two decent ones. And if we do want a RB, there are always all kinds of options at that position.

We don't need Mixon. And I certainly don't want Mixon.

didnt we pick up a guy late last season who was a beast in college, anyway? we are set, i agree.

Yeah, Darius Jackson. The 'Boys released him when McFadden came back from his injury.

We already drafted two players with question marks and we all saw how that turned out.

People can talk about forgiveness and second chances and that's fine. But the NFL is a business and from an investment standpoint I believe our past has shown the risk isn't worth the reward.

Speechless .... and thats very very very very rare .... *LOL* ...

No!

I want a team of nice people who never beat anyone!

Tons of talented backs to be had late like boom Williams or the kid from sdst. I would draft 2 RBS come day 3.

It would be easier to forgive him if his apology letter didn't serve as a publicity stunt.

If he was a UDFA I would take a shot, as there's no strings attached...but I have a feeling someone will take him in round 3 or the top of round 4.

Didn't get to see him much other than OSU game. I don't hold a lot of morality when it comes to the Browns. I don't care for choir boys, if he were glaringly available late, I'd be fine with it.

I love tough players and I don't mind if they've had a little trouble in their past.

But there's a big difference between a little trouble and breaking a woman's face.

'Browns host controversial RB Joe Mixon for pre-draft visit'

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/04/browns_host_controversial_rb_j.html

By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com on April 03, 2017 at 6:13 PM, updated April 03, 2017 at 11:00 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns hosted controversial running back Joe Mixon for a predraft visit on Monday, a league source confirmed for cleveland.com.

Mixon, from Oklahoma, was not invited to the NFL Combine this year because he punched a woman in the face to the ground and caused multiple facial fractures after she had shoved him. The incident was caught on video.

He was convicted of misdemeanor assault and placed on probation for a year. He also attended counseling, paid $1,200 in fines and performed 100 hours of community service.

But Mixon's visit to Cleveland, first reported by CBS Sports, was foreshadowed last week at the NFL Annual Meeting when Browns co-owner Dee Haslam, a member of the NFL's Conduct Committee, was asked if the Browns would welcome Mixon onto the team.

"I think that would be a decision by the football personnel,'' she said in an interview with a small group of Browns writers covering the meetings. "I think that was an incident his freshman year, correct? Before even school started. I think he worked really hard on the team and has turned his life around.

"I really admire people who work hard and turn their life around. I think there's a lot of be said for that. I don' know much about him particularly. Again that would be a decision by the football personnel. Do I think things in life preclude you from having a second chance? I don't. I think if people are going to turn their life around, that's pretty admirable.'''

Haslam stressed that character risks must be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.

"I am not intimately familiar with everything that happened in that case (Mixon) and I don't want to speak about it specifically because I really don't know that much,'' she said. "But I do know that there are times when you have to look at the person and what they've been able to do turning their life around. We hope the best for every player and when they have an incident, they turn their life around. It's good news. We've had times where that hasn't been good news.''

Mixon, one of the most talented running backs in the draft and a second-round to mid-round projection, told Pro Football Talk Live that he regrets what he did.

"I made a bad decision,'' he said. "Ever since that night I have to live with it. I've got to re-live it every day. You can never forget something like that. It still haunts me to this day, but it's what you do from that point on. You can't take it back. I can replay it in my head a thousand times, and if I could take it back I would, but I can't."

Given what the Browns went through recently with former Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel and his ex-girlfriend Colleen Crowley, the Browns will have to think long and hard about adding Mixon to the team. Coach Hue Jackson has talked a lot about changing the culture and adding high-character guys, and will have to have a comfort level that Mixon is truly rehabilitated before he will bring him into his locker room.

Mixon played 12 games in 2016, rushing for 1,274 yards and 10 TDs. He averaged 6.8 yards per carry.

He's one of many players making predraft visits to the Browns this week. Some of others, according to NFL Network, ESPN, and CBS Sports, include Florida State running back Dalvin Cook, Florida cornerback Quincy Wilson, UCLA pass-rusher Takkarist McKinley, Clemson wide receiver Mike Williams, Clemson quarterback Deshaun Watson, North Carolina State safety Josh Jones and William and Mary cornerback B.W. Webb.

The Browns are permitted 30 predraft visits, not counting the local players that came to Berea for a workout and visit on Friday. Ohio State is now on the Browns' list of local players, meaning Buckeyes who visit Berea on the day for locals can work out as long as they pay their own travel expenses.

The Browns, who have the No. 1, No. 12, No. 33 and No. 53 picks in the first two rounds, have also worked out a number of players privately, including pass-rusher Myles Garrett, the presumed No. 1 overall pick, and quarterbacks Mitch Trubisky, Watson, Kizer and Patrick Mahomes.

so chances are good then?

j/c
I would take him with our 2nd 2nd round pick. I don't think we will. We might if he's still there in the third. I don't think it's fair to compare him to Johnny M, we all knew what he was and he never let up. Joe on the other hand has had 4 years to turn this around and so far it looks good. GO Browns.

I still say RBs are generally a dime/dozen anymore, unless they are of the Adrian Peterson type of player. He's not.

I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't waste a high (or even mid) draft pick on him when there is a fairly decent-enough RB on the team already. And he was un-drafted to begin with.

So serviceable RBs can be found anywhere. Use that pick more wisely.