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JG is not worth the farm. I still don't think it's going to happen. JMO Yeah, if it becomes a matter of our first overall and a bunch of 2nd rounders, or two top first rounders, like what I heard, then good luck with that Bill. I want JG, he's the best option for us, but we can't afford to give up that type of ransom for him. We have too many holes elsewhere. We're definitely not a team where the "one or two more players added, and we're there in the championship run" imo.
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I just don't see the FO giving away the farm for JG (two top 1st round picks) with the class of QBs coming out next year. This makes sense to me though: maneuver to get enough 2nd and third round picks to convince Belichick to part with JG and, should that fail, acquire enough picks to move to the top of the draft next year to take a QB. That might even mean draft a Watson or Mahomes, and kick the tires on Osweiler behind a revamped o-line, with a running game and Hue's system in 2017. Whatever they have to do to get the QB thing right, they have to do. They obviously know there's no question about that. Seems to me they would rather have options than to give away extremely valuable picks for an unproven player. JMHO
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yeah, i mean if Jimmy G is gonna give us a decade of good QB play ... I literally give all of our picks. But, that's the quandary ... we don't know I know you jest. I want great QB play. Even if it's only for a few years. JG isn't worth what the pats want but who knows we've made stranger moves for a QB.
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Do you even know what that is? Do you? You seem awfully certain he's great after only playing a handful of games.
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I just don't see the FO giving away the farm for JG (two top 1st round picks) with the class of QBs coming out next year. This makes sense to me though: maneuver to get enough 2nd and third round picks to convince Belichick to part with JG and, should that fail, acquire enough picks to move to the top of the draft next year to take a QB. That might even mean draft a Watson or Mahomes, and kick the tires on Osweiler behind a revamped o-line, with a running game and Hue's system in 2017. Whatever they have to do to get the QB thing right, they have to do. They obviously know there's no question about that. Seems to me they would rather have options than to give away extremely valuable picks for an unproven player. JMHO I agree 100% - I think having options is very much part of the FO philosophy.
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It would be an aberration to sign JG now. After eating the Houston Cap space, I don't think we have cap space for 2 mega bucks Qb's and to rebuild a team.
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It would be an aberration to sign JG now. After eating the Houston Cap space, I don't think we have cap space for 2 mega bucks Qb's and to rebuild a team. Brock won't be on the team next season, if next week. Garrapolo isn't making anything this year. We still have a crap ton of cap space.
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I was listening to a local sports talk show this morning and they said the Patriots have stated they will not trade JG for even 4 #1's. Is it true who knows but I am getting the feeling JG is not going anywhere.
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I was listening to a local sports talk show this morning and they said the Patriots have stated they will not trade JG for even 4 #1's. Is it true who knows but I am getting the feeling JG is not going anywhere. That's my sense as well. The noise seems far more serious than NE just playing coy.
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Just had a thought maybe its not Garoppolo we are after maybe its Cousins ... 
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I was listening to a local sports talk show this morning and they said the Patriots have stated they will not trade JG for even 4 #1's. Is it true who knows but I am getting the feeling JG is not going anywhere. I want to know who is offering 4 #1 picks and why NE isn't taking it. All these media rumors seem to be centered around New England. Quite frankly, I'd be surprised if anyone has offered a second.
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I was listening to a local sports talk show this morning and they said the Patriots have stated they will not trade JG for even 4 #1's. Is it true who knows but I am getting the feeling JG is not going anywhere. This makes the most sense to me. Brady has far fewer days of his NFL career ahead of him than behind. The Pats are coming off a Super Bowl win, and have a significant amount of cap space. The last thing they want to do is trade away a quality backup QB, only to have an injury happen, and then watch their season flush. I said it before, if Belichick really thinks that Jimmy is the next Brady, then he's going to keep him as long as possible, even if that means using some of that cap space, and maybe even franchising the backup QB in the next year or 2. Does anyone really think that Brady would care one bit if he got hurt and Jimmy, under a franchise tag, had to play, and won him another Super Bowl ring?
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Agreed...how much longer does this have to be discussed??
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Agreed...how much longer does this have to be discussed??
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If you were to break down Garoppolo as a quarterback from college through the pros and say exactly why you believe that he has little chance to be any good; that would be one thing.
Instead you list other quarterbacks coming from NE that were drafted at different times and then traded; that there success after leaving NE someone correlates to Garoppolo being successful? Because of that you deduce that Garoppolo can never be good??
Then you say how Belichick has won Super Bowls and is brilliant. And in the same breath he doesn't really want to trade Garoppolo. MMmmm why?
I don't follow your logic.
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Agreed...how much longer does this have to be discussed??
Don't wanna discuss it? Don't click on the thread. It's not rocket surgery, as ThatGuy would say. 
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If you were to break down Garoppolo as a quarterback from college through the pros and say exactly why you believe that he has little chance to be any good; that would be one thing.
Instead you list other quarterbacks coming from NE that were drafted at different times and then traded; that there success after leaving NE someone correlates to Garoppolo being successful? Because of that you deduce that Garoppolo can never be good??
Then you say how Belichick has won Super Bowls and is brilliant. And in the same breath he doesn't really want to trade Garoppolo. MMmmm why?
I don't follow your logic.
He doesn't want to trade Jimmy because Brady is 40 years old and is one hit from not being able to play...and Jimmy atleast knows his system. He doesn't have a viable backup if he trades Jimmy...maybe that changes in the draft, and maybe a draft deal comes, i don't know. No way Bellichik moves him without a viable replacement. As for me not wanting Jimmy, thats not true either. I'd want him for the right price, but for anything more then a 2nd rder is too much to pay. We have to reasonabe here, if we can get Jimmy 2nd rder or less, sure trade for him, anymore then that, no way.
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We have to reasonabe here, You are trying too hard. It doesn't matter what we want or what we think JG's value is. It's up to the Brown's brass to determine what's reasonable.
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First let me say, that I feel all the compensation talk is turning into a ridiculous amount for JG.
Secondly, I agree with the first part of your post.
What I have a hard time getting my head around is, the Pats franchising JG for 20M for one year & 24M for second yr.
Bill has let plenty of player go for way less than that. Maybe not a QB but still.
At this point, Brady's situation is fluid, so no one really knows how long he can stay great. Yes injury plays into it, but could they get by ( with a veteran or their other back up ) on the chance that happens. IMO, without Brady, they aren't going anywhere regardless.
And what about JG, is he going to be ok with being franchised when he has a chance to lead a team & make huge cash in doing so? Or hang around on the chance that Brady will be still be there 2-3 yrs. down the line. Six or seven yrs. as back up, probably is not what he envisioned when he got drafted.
In my opinion, he might be ok with one more kick at the cat for 850K, but I'm going to guess that JG & the Pats know deep down, that this is the time to maximize both parties potential.
To sum up, do you hold up the inevitable & get a comp pick now, or do pull the trigger on a huge pile of assets & move on in getting another SB?
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Never did I say you didn't want him.
You said he can't be successful based upon other NE backups.
NE drafted Brissett he has a year under him. He knows "the system". In addition there are other options for NE to acquire a backup which include McCown and Cutler as well as others.
Garoppolo is worth what someone is willing to give up for him.
After that he will be as good as his talent and the team around him.
Keep in mind there are numerous analysts who were ex-GM's that feel Garoppolo is better than of the quarterbacks in this draft.
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Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 10m10 minutes ago More The #Browns official release of RGIII will come today. They’re trying to shop Brock Osweiler. Will give Cody Kessler a chance to start. Kessler. Yay! Those 5 yard bombs and another 1-15 season!
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He always has a chance to start, regardless of who is on the roster.
That's how I read that.
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He always has a chance to start, regardless of who is on the roster.
That's how I read that. I read it like: DEAR GOD! They've all lost their MINDS!
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Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 10m10 minutes ago More The #Browns official release of RGIII will come today. They’re trying to shop Brock Osweiler. Will give Cody Kessler a chance to start.
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Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 10m10 minutes ago More The #Browns official release of RGIII will come today. They’re trying to shop Brock Osweiler. Will give Cody Kessler a chance to start.
I bet Dee, Jimmy and Sashi Brown get a xmas card from the Texans this year...Don't forget, Dee passed by the Salvation Army pot at the local Walmart at Christmas time. They are all just evil, evil, evil!
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First let me say, that I feel all the compensation talk is turning into a ridiculous amount for JG.
Secondly, I agree with the first part of your post.
What I have a hard time getting my head around is, the Pats franchising JG for 20M for one year & 24M for second yr.
Bill has let plenty of player go for way less than that. Maybe not a QB but still.
At this point, Brady's situation is fluid, so no one really knows how long he can stay great. Yes injury plays into it, but could they get by ( with a veteran or their other back up ) on the chance that happens. IMO, without Brady, they aren't going anywhere regardless.
And what about JG, is he going to be ok with being franchised when he has a chance to lead a team & make huge cash in doing so? Or hang around on the chance that Brady will be still be there 2-3 yrs. down the line. Six or seven yrs. as back up, probably is not what he envisioned when he got drafted.
In my opinion, he might be ok with one more kick at the cat for 850K, but I'm going to guess that JG & the Pats know deep down, that this is the time to maximize both parties potential.
To sum up, do you hold up the inevitable & get a comp pick now, or do pull the trigger on a huge pile of assets & move on in getting another SB?
If they did franchise him twice, or even signed him to a lucrative 2 or 3 year extension, with the idea that he will take over from Brady when he retires. Brady would be 42 or 43 at the end of that time frame. Maybe he winds up being like Aaron Rodgers, taking over from a superstar QB, except that he has to wait another year or 2. Would he rather take a chance on that, or go to a team that has been really, really bad for a long time? I don't know. I am sure he wants to start, but does he want to start so badly that he'll take on a bad situation? We'll see. As far as the weirdness that franchising him would create ... Belichick has never been afraid of doing unconventional things.
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Releasing Griffin saves almost 9 million. That has to factor into the Osweiler deal.
In addition he may be traded which mostly likely means the salary will further be broken up.
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Releasing Griffin saves almost 9 million. That has to factor into the Osweiler deal.
In addition he may be traded which mostly likely means the salary will further be broken up.
This means that we traded one mediocre-at-best QB for another and gained a 2nd round pick and the net cost to us is now only $7 million. If we can get some team to trade fro Brock, we gain another pick and the cost goes down even more.... then we roll with Kessler and whatshisname that was the 4th stringer and whomever we draft in the 5th round or later 
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I kind of get the sense that if a Jimmy G deal does get done by anyone we won't hear about it till draft day because the NFL wants to keep some drama around the top pick.
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I kind of get the sense that if a Jimmy G deal does get done by anyone we won't hear about it till draft day because the NFL wants to keep some drama around the top pick. We aren't trading the top pick.
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Where is that guy who argued with me over this, claiming cutting RG3 would save us 25M in cap? Here is yet another source to support my "claim." That's now 5 sources, including yours.
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I kind of get the sense that if a Jimmy G deal does get done by anyone we won't hear about it till draft day because the NFL wants to keep some drama around the top pick. We aren't trading the top pick. I like JG. I want JG, badly. But we freaking well better not deal with the #1 overall! Take Garrett at #1, he's yours. I really believe Adam and that NE is just not open to deal him. Even for two first rounders, I think Bill and company say no.
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Where is that guy who argued with me over this, claiming cutting RG3 would save us 25M in cap? Here is yet another source to support my "claim." That's now 5 sources, including yours. I vaguely recall someone saying that if we cut Tramon, McCown, and RG3, we'd save over 20 mil.. if that's what yer talking about.
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Anthony Rothman‏ @AnthonyRothman 1h1 hour ago
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I specifically asked @AdamSchefter if it's because Pats love Jimmy G so much or Browns wouldn't offer enough. He says it's not about Browns.
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Where is that guy who argued with me over this, claiming cutting RG3 would save us 25M in cap? Here is yet another source to support my "claim." That's now 5 sources, including yours. I vaguely recall someone saying that if we cut Tramon, McCown, and RG3, we'd save over 20 mil.. if that's what yer talking about. Nope. This was just RG3, and was within the last week. I posted a few links, bolded some text. RG3 was able to make $750K in bonuses for being on the roster. One poster thought it was 750K per game.
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Anthony Rothman‏ @AnthonyRothman 1h1 hour ago
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I specifically asked @AdamSchefter if it's because Pats love Jimmy G so much or Browns wouldn't offer enough. He says it's not about Browns.
https://twitter.com/AnthonyRothman?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor Fine. Whatever. Let's trade for Cousins.
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