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There will be WR out there with better numbers and less age that will be getting less.


2018 FA WRs:

Jeffrey (27) $14M
Fitzgerald (33) $11M (Retire?)
Pryor (27) $8M
Mike Wallace (30) $5.75M
Eddie Royal (30) $5M
Julian Edelman (30) $4.25M

And it goes down from there. I'd say he's set himself up decently in a weak WR FA year. JMHO


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prp...you know I do not agree...

This is the 2nd year in a row that our Harvard lawyer/GM failed to do his job.

It is rather bizarre, Sashi and Jimmy throwing money around, overpaying other teams free agents...but they can't find the money to sign their own free agents.

I believe the front office will be changing in the next year.,..you can't build a winning team when the front office sends this message to the locker room.

Might be time for Sashi Brown to find another job within the franchise, because he sure isn't GM material.


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I'm starting to wonder if you might be La Cornholio or maybe Lombardi himself. Not one quote from Hue in that link at all. Just speculation from "sources"

La Cornholio's only source = Lombardi

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mac, they're freakin' heroes right now. This has been one of the best FA periods in years. Losing Pryor isn't going to dump the FO. If anything, they look smart for trying to lock him up long term, but saying goodbye to a guy who only wants to stick around for one year to jack up his eventual sale price.


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... and Zeitler isn't a team guy...

I'm not changing my response to mac, but I'm also not going to copy-paste/troll in every thread like he does.


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vers...REALLY?

How bout this...don't stupid...this front office undervaluing our own free agents while over-valuing other teams free agents.

All I've done is use the same measuring stick this front office uses to value other teams free agents...and ask the question, why does this front office have so much trouble signing our own free agents?


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Can you answer that, VERS?


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That only works if he goes to DC and doesn't stud out.....or at least doesn't play considerably better than Britt. The FO bet that losing Pryor wasn't a big deal (thus no Trans tag).

If they are right they look like geniuses, but if he studs out and DC, Britt stinks, and we are 2-14 everyone here will be screaming at them for letting him walk.

They made a calculated gamble that although they wanted to keep him, losing him wouldn't be the end of the world........jmho.


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If we offered more per year, and Pryor took less to go somewhere else, how is that "under valuing" Pryor?

Get back to me next year, because that is the only way we'll know.

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I don't know what that means.

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It looks like this. The bright spots of the 2015 season were Manziel throwing to Benjamin.
But by 2016, BOTH are gone, (I don't care why, I just know they're gone).

The 2016 season, well horrible, but if any thing to put hope in, two of them are RG3 and Terrelle Pryor,
Now they are BOTH gone, (I don't care why, I just know they're gone.)

It makes it real hard to support a team that dissolves itself from the inside every 12-18 months.

edit: Where do you suppose Cody Kessler will be 18 months from this August. So by February 2019, or new league year, March 2019. thumbsdown

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j/c

I just have to say that something isn't adding up here.

I hope people do realize that with any injury that would last for even half of the season next year, Pryor would hurt his chances of getting any decent deal next year on the FA market. That's not a very good gamble.

I can't see a player or agent agreeing to take such a gamble while giving up the "reported" 19 mil. in guaranteed money.

If Pryor suffers any type of real injury next season he will have lost tens of millions potentially. He and his agent may be sold on his talent, but everyone knows the injury risk in the NFL.

For all we know, he may have been Schwartzed.


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vers...if you are not capable of answering the question...don't you dare judge me...ok?


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Yeah, I can answer it. The FO re-signed Collins and gave Bitonio big money to stay in Cleveland long-term. Both signings make your point worthless.

You got a dumb-ass grudge against the FO and blame them for everything and give them no credit. You are as bad as some of the homers who act like the FO never makes any mistakes.

Extremist opinions are ...........what was that word you used earlier?


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Originally Posted By: BigWillieStyle
That only works if he goes to DC and doesn't stud out.....or at least doesn't play considerably better than Britt. The FO bet that losing Pryor wasn't a big deal (thus no Trans tag).

If they are right they look like geniuses, but if he studs out and DC, Britt stinks, and we are 2-14 everyone here will be screaming at them for letting him walk.

They made a calculated gamble that although they wanted to keep him, losing him wouldn't be the end of the world........jmho.


If he studs out there and we go 2-14 with Britt, it's still double the wins that we had with him wink

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You can only make decisions based on information you have at the time you're making the decision. But yeah, hind sight might make this look like a bad move should certain things happen.

Just a couple other things that can happen too:

1) Pryor fails in a new system with a QB who doesn't want to be there.
2) Britt really has turned it around.
3) We do way better than 2-14


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I thought that to, but apparently (from reports from the NFL guys) he wanted a shorter term deal to enter the market next year.

Jeffries took a similar deal with the Eagles (1 yr 14 million) when the Bears were offering more security.

I'm with you in not thinking its smart, but we shall see.


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Mac,
Your irrational hatred has progressed to the point where you can't even form coherent sentences. Deep breaths.


You are the last person to demand answers to questions, insinuating other posters are dodging you.


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vers...you failed to answer the question...you can't.

All I've done is use the same measuring stick this front office uses to value other teams free agents...and ask the question, why does this front office have so much trouble signing our own free agents?

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No doubt. I'm not saying they are right or wrong, but just they took a calculated risk on what they thought he was worth, and we will see if they were right or not.

I'm just not in the camp that the FO did everything they could to retain him, because quite frankly they didn't. They looked at TP's worth in their opinion and decided that losing him was not worth the potential cap hit of 13 million he would have cost.

I'm okay with that (because they might be right), but if they are wrong I reserve the right to rip them a new one...lol.


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Originally Posted By: mac
vers...you failed to answer the question...you can't.

All I've done is use the same measuring stick this front office uses to value other teams free agents...and ask the question, why does this front office have so much trouble signing our own free agents?

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Just stop! I did answer the question. What do you call Collins? They re-signed him. They kept Bitonio. They made a move to keep Crow here. They kept the long snapper and punter.

They lost one FA this year. I am not happy about it, but goodness man.........sometimes guys leave.

Let me ask you a question, mac: Are the Browns the only team to lose a free agent this year?

If the answer is no, should all of the teams that lost free agents fire guys in their FO, too?

Stop your BS! I don't like getting on you because there are about 20 guys who get on you and I hate piling on, but don't challenge me w/nonsense and tough talk, mac!

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oobs...OR ANYONE..this is all I've done...use the same measuring stick this front office uses to value other teams free agents...and ask the question, why does this front office have so much trouble signing our own free agents?

Our free agent players are not valued the same as the other free agents this front office signs...why?

How do you ever build a winning team when your front office under-values their own free agents?

ANYONE...explain the logic this front office is using...

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vers...you know damn well that Collins was mid season pickup who was going to be a free agent at the end of the season.

This front office "overpaid" Collins to get him to sign...yet when it comes time to value our own free agent, this front office can't get the re-signed.

why?


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I don't see how you can claim that the FO didn't value him. They offered the same or more money, and a long term deal. How is that screwing Pryor? He wants big money and made a move to try and get it, that does not make our FO the culprit. They did try to take care of their own. Saying otherwise is just nonsense.


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Me too.

Only a 1 year deal, though? Wow.


He likely wants to have a banner year and try free agency again next year.


He thinks he is worth a lot more. Wants to prove himself again and get the big contract next year.


Just was listening to 92.3 FM, they seem to think the same thing.

I think a lot of us felt like he was going to leave, but didn't want to see him do that. But that was the vibe and sure enough, now he's history.

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You didn't answer my questions, mac.

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So many on this message board do not understand what this kind of front office crap does to your team.

Some player on the Browns said the following......you have to keep your good players. You can’t keep getting rid of good players and think you’re going to get better.


Did this player make a valid point?

Was the Browns front office listening...or did they blow this player off like they did to the headcoach, Hue Jackson ?

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mac, I agree that you have to keep your talent. Heck, many on this board thought I hated the FO last year because I blasted them for not keeping Mack, Schwartz, and Gipson.

But mac, they kept guys this year. You can't keep every player. Players change teams. It happens.

I try and judge each move individually and don't get caught up in nonsensical homerism or blasting every move they make.

Right now, I am encouraged by the recent moves. I think we are improving our team and that is all I care about.

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Our free agent players are not valued the same as the other free agents this front office signs...why?

prior to me typing a made a big sigh...
mac...did we not sign Britt. To a similar contract or EVEN Less depending who you read, then what we offered Pryor.

So where do you get off saying that our Free agents are not valued the same as other free agents this FO signs?

We just did, we signed Britt for the same or less.

??? as least be remotely accurate in your accusations.

Oh and I believe Vers was actually sticking up for you when you went bonkers on him...lol laugh


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Page 4 is a duplicate of page 3.

Never saw that happen before.


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Originally Posted By: mac
prp...you know I do not agree...

This is the 2nd year in a row that our Harvard lawyer/GM failed to do his job.


Actually it's the second year in a row that the 'Harvard Boys' did their job exceedingly well. Outstandingly well.

They offered Schwartz more than anyone else. And by all accounts they offered Pryor more than anyone else.... And I should add - signed the highest rated OG and Center. Signed a WR with virtually the same performance as Pryor. locked up Bitonio (who I love), traded for and then signed Collins (who I think is going to be a beast)..... The list of outstanding achievements is long. Have a TON of picks in this year's draft AND next years .....

End of story. Sorry you can't and won't see that. Last time I talk about it with you.

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it's not like we didnt keep anyone. we gave a lot of money to guys from our own team ... and i bet kirksey is next


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Nah, I think they botched things up last year.

Again...........it ain't all good and it ain't all bad. Each move should be judged on it's own individual merits.

We'll have a pretty good idea of how good they are after next year.

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Nah, I think they botched things up last year.

Again...........it ain't all good and it ain't all bad. Each move should be judged on it's own individual merits.

We'll have a pretty good idea of how good they are after next year.


I probably agree on that .... and while I wanted Pryor here, I don't see this year being the same as last year. This year I don't think the FO mis-played it or were unfair to Pryor.


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oobs...OR ANYONE..this is all I've done...use the same measuring stick this front office uses to value other teams free agents...and ask the question, why does this front office have so much trouble signing our own free agents?

Our free agent players are not valued the same as the other free agents this front office signs...why?

How do you ever build a winning team when your front office under-values their own free agents?

ANYONE...explain the logic this front office is using...


The Browns offered Pryor a multi-year deal comparable to the 4-year, $32.5 million deal they gave Kenny Britt Thursday, last week in Indianapolis but it was turned down and ultimately cost Pryor millions in guaranteed money multiple league sources told 92.3 The Fan.

As a result, Pryor gets a “prove it” deal with Washington that includes a $6 million base salary and $2 million in incentives.


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Did they Schwartz him?


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Did they Schwartz him?


No-one indicated that the Browns ever stopped wanting Pryor or withdrew (or reduced) the offer in any way. . . . but no-one knows for sure.


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