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4:29 PM - 16 Feb 2017

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000786338/article/browns-resign-long-snapper-charley-hughlett

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Did Pryor Schwartz the Browns?

The 6 mil plus 2 mil incentives. is what the Redskins gave him

The way I read it to be.

I wish we were the ones to sign Pryor to the one year contract. I don't know if that was possible.

We desperately need one of the young receivers to step up.

Also, to be clear, the incentives are classified as unlikely to be attained by the NFL. Also, if Pryor gets hurt, he could wind up with "only" $6 million.

I can see why the Browns don't want to go through negotiations with the same player 2 years in a row. (or maybe even 3, depending on how much negotiation there was last year)

Pryor wants to braak the bank. Nothing wrong with that. Heck, maybe the Browns will want to negotiate with him next off-season,when he proves himself to be a top receiver. On the other hand, maybe he has a hard time finding a deal worth any more than he got this year. Time wil tell.

Anything could have been done but at some point is it worth the money and aggravation to deal with?

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Updated: Terrelle Pryor never came back to the #Browns to see if they'd better the #Redskins' offer, source says

Come on Pit. You know we made him a offer. We signed Britt to 32.5 over 4 years. You can do the math.

Don't tell me we didn't offer the same deal to TP, or maybe even better.


Come on man, you aren't a dumb ass like some around this place. Don't slip in that BS.

Yes. Once the contract is signed people would [hopefully] forget about all the other stuff.

Having good players is better than not having good players. Pryor is a good player, he is no longer on the team. That is bad (especially if you are on the fence about the Britt signing, like me).

Dawg4Life, you may want to tweak your signature.

...Wow...

I think we all would have liked to have signed him. The problem is he is betting on himself. I do admire that. I just think it foolish. He wants a 13 mil contract or better, Had he signed ours, he probably would never have seen that due to age after 4 years.

Our FO played this the right way.

I like the way these guys operate.

I don't understand the "Wow". He signed for less than we offered him. How would we better the offer when we'd already offered him more?

Don't know how true that is, and don't blame Pryor. He, or his agents might have been told, similar to Schwartz that this was the final offer. Take it now or walk away.

He walked away and we gave his money to Britt.

Dumb move by Pryor. Now he is on a 1 year deal with about half the gurantee.

They made him a fair deal, he didn't want it, so he left. No blame to lay on anyone.

Ugggggghh, what the? So he goes to the Redskins? Are you fing kidding me.

I agree with you. But people are pissed that he's gone and feel that someone needs to be blamed.

if true then perhaps he never really planned on returning here.

I think you are reading it wrong. I think he meant it was a very stupid move by him.

I didn't know he signed for less than we offered him. (???)

J/c

This is clearly about the totality of his earning potential. An $8M multi-year contract obviously conflicts with Rosenhaus' lifetime earnings plan for Pryor. He knows his earnings window is narrow.

eo...so you are admitting that the front office went CHEAP, signing Britt?...I agree !

Our Harvard lawyer and his analytics boys under value our own players when it comes contract time. This is the 2nd year in row we have seen evidence of my claim.

Below is a list ranking the best 2017 free agents...I suggest you study it.

Again, there is no argument that this front office over-spends and over-values other teams free agents...but when it comes time to deal with our own teammates, this front office under-values them and refuses to re-sign our own players...IF I'M HUGE JACKSON, I WANT TO KNOW WHY THIS FRONT OFFICE CRAP IS HAPPENING..AGAIN!

EO, when a very well respected Browns player said this after last year free agent debacle..."....you have to keep your good players. You can’t keep getting rid of good players and think you’re going to get better."

EO, do you believe that player was full of crap?

So many on this board do not seem capable of viewing the front office poor performance re-signing our own players and they don't seem to understand where the player who spoke above was coming from. I'm looking at the front offices performance from the same viewpoint as the player above. The Browns will never have a championship team if the front office keeps kicking our own players in the teeth at contract time. The players opinion above IS 100% ON THE MARK. This is not baseball, where you can just throw 9 players together and win a championship.

A football team is like a family...those who do not get that, have little experience playing the game. Terrelle Pryor worked hard to improve and he was respected by his teammates. This front office does not seem to understand the value of keeping teammates together or how to build a "football team".

EO...you may not get it either but where I'm coming from and my point of view is not going to change. Don't be surprised if Hue demands some changes in the way Sashi Brown and his sidekick do buisness in the future.

I know Hue understand this..."you have to keep your good players. You can’t keep getting rid of good players and think you’re going to get better"

The front office needs to be on the same page as the head coach or franchise will never achieve their goal. This front office will have to change and understand, building a football team requires a front office that is capable of keeping the team together...not continually pulling it apart to save a few bucks.

This front office would not have had any problem re-signing Pryor...IF THEY WANTED TO. It is so obvious that the front office is not on the same



1. Calais Campbell, DI, Arizona Cardinals (2016 PFF grade: 90.4)
He may be 31 years old by the start of next season, but Campbell’s production isn’t declining significantly any time soon. In fact, he’s coming off the highest-graded season of his career in which he posted the second most combined sacks and hits of any interior lineman (24).

2. Kevin Zeitler, G, Cincinnati Bengals (87.1)
Zeitler ticks off the age box (he’s 26) as well as the production box (three straight top-10 graded seasons) making him the top overall guard on the market. Cincinnati also runs such a varied scheme that every team in the NFL could easily project him as a starter.

3. T.J. Lang, G, Green Bay Packers (87.0)
Last season only Marshall Yanda and Josh Sitton were stingier pass-protecting guards than Lang. He allowed 11 hurries, zero sacks and zero hits in 19 games including the playoffs. He’s a bit older than Zeitler at 29, but over the course of a four-year contract that shouldn’t even come into play.

4. Dont’a Hightower, LB, New England Patriots (85.7)
As far as blitzing off-ball linebackers go, Hightower is in a class all his own. He’s had a top-5 grade in that aspect each of the past three seasons. He’s also been above average in coverage and run defense each of those years.

5. Stephon Gilmore, CB, Buffalo Bills (73.2)
Gilmore did not have the kind of contract year anyone would want. In fact, 2016 was his lowest-graded season since 2013 as he failed to build on a 2015 campaign in which he had 12 pass breakups, the eighth most of any cornerback.

6. Alshon Jeffery, WR, Chicago Bears (77.6)
At his best, Jeffery is a true No. 1 receiver. But after an injury plagued 2015 and with one PED suspension under his belt already, Jeffery comes with some caveats. If a team knew they’d be getting the guy that was sixth in yards per route run back in 2013, Jeffery would be higher on the list.

7. A.J. Bouye, CB, Houston Texans (90.9)
If this list was based solely off of 2016, obviously Bouye would be higher. But with one year of starting experience under his belt, it’s fair to question if 2016 was a fluke or not for the former undrafted free agent. Last season he allowed a 54.5 completion percentage and 73.1 passer rating in 670 snaps.

8. Nick Perry, EDGE, Green Bay Packers (82.2)
Much like Bouye, teams can’t be too sure what to expect from Perry. He may have the first-round pedigree, but his 603 snaps of quality play were so far an outlier from his previous seasons that it’s worth wondering if it will continue.

9. Nick Fairley, DI, New Orleans Saints (76.9)
By now we know what Fairley is and that’s an interior pass rush specialist. Leaving him on the field every down will lead to some running lanes for opposing backs, but his pass rushing productivity mark of 8.1 was 13th among all interior players last year.

10. Andrew Whitworth, T, Cincinnati Bengals (91.3)
Andrew Whitworth may be the most intriguing free agent on the market for a number of reasons. The first being that at 35 years of age, Whitworth is far older than anyone else sniffing the top 20. The second is that he’s been one of the league’s best pass protecting tackles for some time now and could make a world of difference to a team in need. The big question is how long will that last?

11. Duron Harmon, S, New England Patriots (76.3)
Harmon has played the role of deep nickel safety in New England for the better part of his career and excelled at it. The toughest part with him is projecting to an every down role, which truthfully shouldn’t be a difficult adjustment.

12. Brandon Williams, DI, Baltimore Ravens (75.9)
One of the league’s preeminent nose tackles for awhile now, Williams is another player coming off a very disappointing contract year. Even still, Williams has finished with a top-10, run-stop percentage each of the past three seasons.

13. Tony Jefferson, S, Arizona Cardinals (88.6)
How teams value Jefferson in free agency will be a good indication of how much box safeties are coveted in the NFL today. That’s because there’s no better run-stuffing safety in the league than Jefferson at the moment. His 10.5 run-stop percentage when lined up in the box would be an elite number for a linebacker, let alone a safety.

14. Terrelle Pryor, WR, Cleveland Browns (78.6)
Pryor has only one season of production and was fairly inconsistent at that, but it’s crazy to think how raw he still is as a wide receiver. Pryor made the switch from quarterback before the 2015 season and already has a 1,000-yard season to his name with a grab-bag of inept quarterbacks throwing him the ball.

15. Larry Warford, G, Detroit Lions (81.5)
For whatever reason, Warford hasn’t been able to recapture the dominance that made him PFF’s rookie of the year back in 2013. He’s still been a consistently above average guard, though, and would be an upgrade for most teams.

16. Chris Baker, DI, Washington Redskins (82.2)
Baker may get pigeonholed as a run-stuffer, but he’s far more than that. He has back-to-back 40-plus pressure seasons while also stopping the run at an extremely high level. Those are fantastic numbers for a guy with the versatility to line up anywhere along the interior.

17. Ronald Leary, G, Dallas Cowboys (80.4)
Leary has some issues in pass protection, but don’t let the fact that he was surrounded by two All-Pros make you think his work in the run game was a fluke. As far as dominant run blocks go, Leary had as many as anyone on the Cowboys line a season ago.

18. Dontari Poe, DI, Kansas City Chiefs (55.8)
One has to wonder how much more effective Poe could be if he were allowed to play an actual nose tackle role instead of the every down ironman position he’s played his entire career in Kansas City. Most nose tackles play around 600 snaps a year while Poe has averaged 905 per year, including the playoffs, over the course of his career.


19. Logan Ryan, CB, New England Patriots (83.5)
Ryan has extensive experience in man coverage and tracking larger receivers. However, he likely benefited a good deal from the Patriots favorable matchups. He was one of the higher-graded cornerbacks this past season and still gave up 88 catches for 896 yards including the playoffs.

20. Jabaal Sheard, EDGE, New England Patriots (79.6)
Sheard wasn’t quite able to match his superb 2015 seasons, though he still graded out well as both a pass rusher and run defender. Some team will covet his ability to slide seamlessly from the edge on early downs to the interior as a pass-rusher on third downs.

21. Martellus Bennett, TE, New England Patriots (79.8)
22. DeSean Jackson, WR, Washington Redskins (77.0)
23. Morris Claiborne, CB, Dallas Cowboys (84.7)
24. Prince Amukamara, CB, Jacksonville Jaguars (76.6)
25. Pierre Garçon, WR, Washington Redskins (85.8)
26. Kenny Britt, WR, Los Angeles Rams (76.5)
27. Barry Church, S, Dallas Cowboys (85.3)
28. J.C. Tretter, C, Green Bay Packers (84.1)
29. Ricky Wagner, T, Baltimore Ravens (84.5)
30. Brandon Marshall, WR, New York Jets (71.7)
31. John Cyprien, S, Jacksonville Jaguars (87.8)
32. John Simon, EDGE, Houston Texans (78.3)
33. D.J. Swearinger, S, Arizona Cardinals (86.1)
34. Bradley McDougald, S, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (79.0)
35. Eddie Lacy, RB, Green Bay Packers (77.3)
36. DeMarcus Ware, EDGE, Denver Broncos (77.4)
37. Charles Johnson, EDGE, Carolina Panthers (81.4)
38. Johnathan Hankins, DI, New York Giants (47.1)
39. Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Cincinnati Bengals (74.7)
40. Stefan Wisniewski, C/G, Philadelphia Eagles (75.2)
41. Captain Munnerlyn, CB, Minnesota Vikings (75.5)
42. Mike Glennon, QB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (69.0)
43. LeGarrette Blount, RB, New England Patriots (68.1)
44. Terence Newman, CB, Minnesota Vikings (86.4)
45. Kendall Wright, WR, Tennessee Titans (74.6)
46. Chris Long, EDGE, New England Patriots (70.3)
47. Terrance Williams, WR, Dallas Cowboys (74.7)
48. Nick Mangold, C, New York Jets (78.0)
49. Latavius Murray, RB, Oakland Raiders (73.1)
50. Kenny Stills, WR, Miami Dolphins (74.5)
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I wanted him to stay on our team. Oh well.

That can't be true mac would never back a LIAR....

"Terrelle Pryor says he’s told agents he wants to stay in Cleveland: ‘I love this place’ "

Just curious, do people realize what precedent would be set if the Browns, or any team for that matter, simply kept raising their offer until the player was satisfied?

I would bet most of the blame is on Rosenhaus and Pryor. I believe they wanted a lengthy $13m per year deal and expected the Browns to offer it. When we offered the moderate Britt-like deal, they figured they could get more elsewhere. They couldn't. I'd guess the Browns didn't want a 1-year deal because this same thing would happen again next year (and it's obvious he's searching for a HUGE payday). They held on their offer, which was a very good offer, but it wouldn't allow Pryor to cash in because of his age.

I think it makes sense for Pryor to go to Washington. They'll probably keep Cousins for this season, they just lost their WRs and he'll get the bulk of the looks. A 1-year deal is perfect if he expects a gigantic deal next offseason.

A 1-year deal in Cleveland wouldn't be as smart right now because we still don't have a QB, Britt will get a lot of looks & Coleman will be better. If he's only playing this season to parlay it into a $13m/year deal, Cleveland isn't his spot.

The Browns should have probably offered $9m for 1 year, but if the MKC report is correct, we were never allowed to counter the Skins offer.

Oh well.

mac, I still don't get how you keep thinking the front office undervalues our players. They offered him more money than anyone else. Are you saying that the offer was not enough, even though it was more than any other offer? So, your position is offer OUR players a bigger offer than the one we did that was more than anyone else's?

I am not agreeing w/mac, but I thought we offered the same amount of money per year as Washington?

Vambo lol...Pryor I think made a mistake...their QB doesn't want to be there...their FO office is in discord. lost their GM...I think he just jumped out of the pot and into the fire

Oobernoober said above (copied and pasted): "He signed for less than we offered him. How would we better the offer when we'd already offered him more?"

So did we offer the same or more? This is all getting confusing.

Similar annual number but multiple years plus millions in guarantees, if I understand it correctly.

Oh........I thought the actual report said both were for $8 million per year. The difference was ours was for 4 years and theirs was for 1 year.

Maybe I misread it?

Per another poster somewhere above, $2 mil of Pryor's contract is classified as unlikely incentives.

Okay, thanks.

I did actually misread your earlier earlier post (the 'wow' post), as another poster pointed out.

The 'Skins deal is for 8mil, with only 6 guaranteed. My understanding of the hearsay (since that's all we have to go on) is that we offered him 8 and change per year, for 2+ years.

My understanding is that our per year offer was slightly higher.

He went for the money. Dont blame him, but I wish he would have been honest and didnt lie to fans.

Oh well. Need a slot guy, Pryor isnt a cornerstone.

Actually $3 mil signing bonus, $3 mil salary, and $2 mil incentives. I'm not sure if any or all of the salary is guaranteed, but at least $3 mil is.

I corrected my earlier post to the 6mil.

I dont' know the terms of our suppposed offer. What I do know is that 32.5 / 4years = $8.125/year. That's .125million more than the skins gave him.

What did he lie about?

I just don't get how people blame players all the time and give teams a pass.

What about RGIII? Was it okay for the Browns to cut him to save money? Didn't they tell us he was in their long range plans? Is that a lie?

Let's get real here. It's a freaking business and there really isn't a whole lot of loyalty going on.

Hopefully the door does hit him in the ass on the way out