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I think your an all around great guy and a very good Football person....BUT Just stay away from QB's and WR's. I don't think you hit on one yet?  I love how u soften me up ... then BAM right over the head with the tire iron ... *L* ... Thanks for the compliments ... no need to soften me up .. i know i act like an ass and have aquired rather thick skin over time ... *LOL* ... i have fun and don't get offended ... not sure it works any other way ... *L* Ummm ... *LOL* ... I'm only 0 - 1 in each category .... i remember BRADY and DAVID .... is their more? .... i don't think so ... And I've hit on plenty ... just not on our team ... *L* .... and i have actually been dead nuts so far about how bad all the rest were going to be ... Brady .. i guess if u wanted ... u could say i slightly over rated him .... *L* ... Oh well ... I like Mitch .... and as u may well know ... i ain't scared to be wrong ... *L* ....
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Ok Diam, IF I were to trade for Garoppolo I would offer #52 This Year and Our 3rd Rd. pick next year ... that's still a high price for A QB that has been only a backup and if they want to get rid of him they would take it ... Ya .. i don't think BB just wants to dump him ... i don't think that would be enough for him to trade ... heck, he'd get a 3rd rnd comp just letting him walk next year ... Not enough of a benifit for BB .... U don't value JG very much ... i place a much higher value on him .... Difference of opinion ... not the first, won't be the last ... *L* ... Just don't get used to the civility ... *LOL* ...
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lol I won't and your right I don't put much value on him and i fear we will overpay for him ...
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and i don't wanna hear no .... "i don't know value bs" I'll try, but bro........I really don't know value. You have known me for a long time and understand that I don't like making stuff up just to look smart. There are a ton of guys who know way more than me about contracts, trades, etc. But, I'll try. So, NE doesn't have a pick in round 1 or 2 right now. They got two picks in the 3rd. They are going to lose a 4th round pick due to Deflate Gate, which will probably be the Saint's pick. They'll keep the pick they got from Seattle last year. They got two in the 5th, and one in each of the 6th and 7th. Barren at the top and needing more in round 4. The Browns have two first round picks and two second round picks this year. They got a pick in each of the other rounds except for the 7th. In 2018, I think the Browns have a first round pick and three 2nd round picks. Ammo out the butt! Damn, I really wish NE didn't use their first for Cooks. It blew up what I wanted to do, switching first and then adding on. Let me see: I give them a 2nd and 4th this year. I also give them two seconds next year. If that don't work, I try the 12th overall and one conditional pick next year, which would be at worst a 4th and as high as a 2nd round pick. But bro.........those offers could be totally whacked, because I really don't have a good handle on such things. LOL
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Sorry BigWillie I respect your opinion but that's a whole lot for a QB who has been a backup his entire NFL career ... Just Sayin' not hatein'  He backs up Brady. How many qbs in the entire NFL would beat out Brady? You keep dodging that question. And you degrade a guy for having an NFL career, yet want to give up a FIRST ROUND PICK for a guy who has never played in the NFL. Something isn't adding up, here.
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Just don't get used to the civility ... *LOL* ...
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It will take more of a package. And I just don't see them doing it.
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It will take more of a package. And I just don't see them doing it.
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This years 12. The worst 2 this year
2 next year
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This years 12. The worst 2 this year
2 next year
That is entirely too much.
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I think some people confuse a career backup and a QB who was drafted for the specific purpose of replacing a GOAT QB. Bill said before that draft that Jimmy G. was the best QB in that draft and he took him right where people knew he would. It was never a let's roll the dice draft pick. Bill KNEW he was the QB he wanted before the draft and then went and got him. http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2014/05/f...-garoppolo.htmlIts hard to find articles from before the 2014 draft because google is flooding the internet about everything this year. You will just have to trust me about what he said about Jimmy G. BEFORE the draft.
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Sorry BigWillie I respect your opinion but that's a whole lot for a QB who has been a backup his entire NFL career ... Just Sayin' not hatein' He backs up Brady. How many qbs in the entire NFL would beat out Brady? You keep dodging that question. And you degrade a guy for having an NFL career, yet want to give up a FIRST ROUND PICK for a guy who has never played in the NFL. Something isn't adding up, here.
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I love how u soften me up ... then BAM right over the head with the tire iron ... *L* ...  Your one in a Million. And No you don't have to Duck on that One. Thats a freebie
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My thought is Belichick wants a package.
We have 2 two's this year and 3 two's next year.
Number 12 is given.
There is bound to be some back and fourth negotiations.
The most I would do:
pick 12
The lower two this year
The lowest two next year.
That would not be my first offer but my best and last.
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It will take more of a package. And I just don't see them doing it.
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Value is personal bro ... i wanted and u gave what U FELT ... THANKS .....
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My thought is Belichick wants a package.
We have 2 two's this year and 3 two's next year.
Number 12 is given.
There is bound to be some back and fourth negotiations.
The most I would do:
pick 12
The lower two this year
The lowest two next year.
That would not be my first offer but my best and last.
That basic combo seems to be the consesus ... I'd give a higher 2nd year ... but thats splitting hairs ... were on the same page ... Would u draft Mitch at 12?
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Key point.
Draft picks are great assets. The Browns have done a good job building leverage blocks.
Quantity is important. The first round you have little better than 50% hit or miss. Second it goes down into the 40's. The more chances the better the odds. Something Bill Poilan needs to look at.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-hard-to-tell-how-good-nfl-teams-are-at-the-draft/
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He's a backup only because the player who is the starter is arguably the greatest QB of all time. If Brady is not there, Jimmy G is starting for the best team in football.
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He's a backup only because the player who is the starter is arguably the greatest QB of all time. If Brady is not there, Jimmy G is starting for the best team in football.
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My thought is Belichick wants a package.
We have 2 two's this year and 3 two's next year.
Number 12 is given.
There is bound to be some back and fourth negotiations.
The most I would do:
pick 12
The lower two this year
The lowest two next year.
That would not be my first offer but my best and last.
That basic combo seems to be the consesus ... I'd give a higher 2nd year ... but thats splitting hairs ... were on the same page ... Would u draft Mitch at 12? I worry about a guy with so few starts in college. As far as I know, in the top 25 or so QBs in the NFL last year, the only one with 13 or fewer starts in college is Cam Newton. That said, if Hue felt strongly enough about Mitchell to take him at 12, I would be OK with it. Gotta give the coach some latitude, and trust him to an extent. I would rather go a different route at 12, but if Hue felt strongly enough about a QB, I could accept that without complaint. Now if we do anything with the 1st pick but turn in the name Myles Garrett, barring some absolutely idiotic trade, like a team giving is their #1, 2, and 3 picks for the next 3 years, then I'll be pretty ticked off. If they take anyone except Garett, they better be right, because that's the kind of move that gets people fired.
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I think some people confuse a career backup and a QB who was drafted for the specific purpose of replacing a GOAT QB. Bill said before that draft that Jimmy G. was the best QB in that draft and he took him right where people knew he would. It was never a let's roll the dice draft pick. Bill KNEW he was the QB he wanted before the draft and then went and got him. http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2014/05/f...-garoppolo.htmlIts hard to find articles from before the 2014 draft because google is flooding the internet about everything this year. You will just have to trust me about what he said about Jimmy G. BEFORE the draft. To build on Razor's point (and to repeat myself yet again), the people who don't like JG always point to his circumstance. 1) He wasn't drafted til late in the 2nd round, almost every team passed on him twice. -- There were 4 QBs drafted before him. --Bortles by Jax at #3 has yet to prove his value at that spot. He was big, strong arm, mobile, but had bad footwork and was in a one-look offense. --Manziel by us at #22 is out of football. Million dollar skills with a 10-cent head. --Bridgewater by GB at #32 was the most NFL ready of the bunch, but the concern was would his body hold up to the rigors of the NFL, another question that has been answered in the negative. --Carr by Oak at #36 has proven to be the best so far. --Garoppolo by NE at #62 was a dark horse from a small conference who showed all the skills, but needed a few years to translate those skills to the NFL. The QB needy teams passed on him, not because he was a bad choice, but because he wasn't plug-n-play. As Razor pointed out, NE took him not as a B/U, but to groom him to replace the then 36 y/o Brady. 2) He's never been anything but a backup. -- Refer to Razor's post and read the article he linked. 3) There's only 6 quarters of game film. -- The skills and abilities he displayed in those 6 quarters are convincing evidence he is ready to be a very good NFL QB. Here is a very good breakdown of those 6 quarters. 4) The cost to get him is too high. -- It's pretty much on par with what it takes to move up to the #1 or 2 spot to draft a rookie you see as a franchise guy. And Jimmy comes ready to plug in. 5) Look at all the other Brady B/U who have failed. -- Back to Razor's point, those guys were drafted to be backups. JG was drafted and groomed to replace Brady when he retired. The problem is, Jimmy's ready and running out of contract, and Brady isn't ready to go. I could be wrong about Jimmy, but my head and my gut tell me he's ready and able to excel as an NFL QB. If we can get him, we should. The line I draw is I'm unwilling to trade away Garrett, and my suspicion is that is exactly what BB wants.
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Yes.
I like Mitchell. He will need some time. His lack of experience is only a small problem. All rookie quarterbacks need time.
He is a great story coming from the area. Although that really means nothing.
He has most of what you look for. He has good size and athleticism. He is accurate from the pocket and moving in either direction. Good arm and a quick release. He played in a spread so (lots to learn). It appears that he "sees" the field. Meaning he doesn't lock in on one guy and can go to secondary receivers. It is said he has high character and is leader. He is a solid prospect with high ceiling. He will need time, coaching, patience, and experience.
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Cam started an entire season at the fcs level.
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I would draft Trubs at 12. I woudnt at one because I want a sure thing in Garrett, but 12 heck yeah.....I bet we have to trade up though.
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Cam started an entire season at the fcs level. That makes Tribusky's chances even longer.
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My thought is Belichick wants a package.
We have 2 two's this year and 3 two's next year.
Number 12 is given.
There is bound to be some back and fourth negotiations.
The most I would do:
pick 12
The lower two this year
The lowest two next year.
That would not be my first offer but my best and last.
Browns Rumors: Browns Offered Two 2nd-Round Picks For Jimmy Garoppolo In Browns rumors, Cleveland reportedly made their offer for Jimmy Garoppolo and got rebuffed by Patriots coach Bill Belichick. http://factoryofsadness.co/2017/03/11/br...immy-garoppolo/
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I like seeing the Pats in this situation..
I would rather not help them out by going after JG.
The last thing I want to see the Browns do is bail out bill.
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Cam started an entire season at the fcs level. Wasn't it junior college? Is junior college FCS?
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FCS is the old Division 1-AA.
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He's a backup only because the player who is the starter is arguably the greatest QB of all time. If Brady is not there, Jimmy G is starting for the best team in football. Your hate knows no bounds. And the funny thing is........I bet you never even watched him play.
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FCS is the old Division 1-AA. So not junior college? Because Newton definitely went to a JC and not a four year school. Either way, you usually need more starts to determine if someone will be good or not. Garoppolo can be good. We don't know if he is because he has basically no tape in the NFL. Trubisky has much less tape than you would like for a college prospect. Both are huge risks.
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He's a backup only because the player who is the starter is arguably the greatest QB of all time. If Brady is not there, Jimmy G is starting for the best team in football. Your hate knows no bounds. And the funny thing is........I bet you never even watched him play. 
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Yes, but I try and give an informed opinion. If I haven't watched a guy, I just admit it rather than make up things.
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Yes, but I try and give an informed opinion. If I haven't watched a guy, I just admit it rather than make up things.
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Okay. I apologize.
Can you please explain why you think if wasn't in New England backing up Brady why he might be out of the league?
Can you talk about his lack of skills. You know, accuracy, release, anticipation, pocket presence, reading defenses pre-snap, reading coverages post-snap, does he hold the ball too long and take a bunch of sacks, etc
Oh, and one more thing..............why is there so much interest in Jimmy G if he is so bad that he would be "out of the league" if he wasn't Brady's backup?
I am eagerly waiting to hear your breakdown of why Jimmy G is so bad.
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Nobody knows a thing.
There is no way true negotiations will be let out for people to speculate about.
This whole Garoppolo thing could go on till draft day.
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I don't know if anyone's mentioned this but, if this FO really covets JG we always could wait till next year when he's a free agent. I know there's no guarantee of that, but it could be a cheaper(picks wise) way to go about getting him. Grab abridge QB or use Kessler, whoever they think can winsome games. Draft a mid round guy who has a chance to develop, if one of the QB's shows something, great go with him, if they don't, throw a bunch of money at Jimmy G. next year. Meanwhile use all those picks to make the rest of this team worlds better.
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I don't know if anyone's mentioned this but, if this FO really covets JG we always could wait till next year when he's a free agent. I know there's no guarantee of that, but it could be a cheaper(picks wise) way to go about getting him. Grab abridge QB or use Kessler, whoever they think can winsome games. Draft a mid round guy who has a chance to develop, if one of the QB's shows something, great go with him, if they don't, throw a bunch of money at Jimmy G. next year. Meanwhile use all those picks to make the rest of this team worlds better. Well said! And If we can build this team up to a .500 ball club...I'm sure that will appeal more to Jimmy G then a 1-15 team...and actually to all FA's next year.
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