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I don't necessarily think this is true. Bitonio just got $50M+. The Collins deal was made earlier on as well. Then lesser contracts to our K and LS.

The Bitonio deal is the one I love the most. Lock the guy up a full year before he even thinks about hitting the market. There have been so many chances for our FO to do this, but with constant regime changes, we haven't done it as much as we should. I'd love to see a Kirksey extension here too. That would say a lot as well to our younger players.

But the caviot in all of this is, IF we get to a point where we are drafting better players or get a franchise QB, we will never be able to keep them all. So tough decisions will need to be had down the road potentially. That's a good problem but it will spark debate here on who should leave/stay.

+1, has TP factored correctly, don't get silly with JG, all players are one play from being on sidelines, we need better players almost everywhere-LT exempted- hope plan for getting JG, IF it exists, is smart one...GO Browns!!!

Oh, come on. There's been so much stuff reported from the owner swapping positions with the Titans to etc, etc and etc...

You almost got to take some stuff with a grain of salt. People forming opinions based on speculation is also something to take with a grain of salt. That's why I only really buy into stuff Adam Sheftner posts.

Yes, really.

You are one-sided w/your arguments. I don't think that is even up for debate. Do you?

So Vers, you take MKC's articles at face value?

Don't get me wrong, I know exactly what you're talking about with the ignoring/criticizing negative articles... but at the same time, some writers out there are just bad.

In this case, I'm worried that MKC's article is true because that is, essentially, what happened to Schwartz (we've set the precedent). Honestly, I'm hoping that there aren't more articles on this so we can just chalk it up to MKC doing her usual thing.

I'm still really struggling with the whole idea of pulling/reducing the offer when a player comes back after testing the market. I understand the thought process behind it, but I'm really having a hard time agreeing with it. It just reeks of trying to 'win' a contract negotiation.

Separately, I understand why Pryor didn't sign with us. He's laser-focused on his big payday because he thinks he will be an elite WR. He wants to have more ammo to go after that contract, so he didn't want to get trapped in a longer contract. It hasn't been reported, but I bet our FO didn't want to have to return to the negotiating table after just 1 season. Pryor is betting on himself, and the FO doesn't want to tie up big$$$ on an unproven. Can't really blame anyone for any of that.

I really have no idea how you came up w/that evaluation.

The Browns gave him a fair offer. He choose to take a 1 year contract over a long term deal to hopefully land a big deal next year. The Browns didn't want to do a one year deal with him because they want to build for long term.

IMHO neither side did anything wrong. They just had different goals and expectations. Pryor has a very small window of time to sign one last big deal. I can understand that he doesn't want to settle for a small contract for long term because he believes in himself. IT'S OK. It's better for him to be true to himself than sign and be a distraction to the team because he feels he doesn't get what he deserves.

I don't think the front office messed this one up. They offered him a good deal that was better than anyone else.

If it was me though I would have happily given him a 1 year deal to give himself a chance to prove himself. I mean he already knows the system and he did well the previous year so why the hell not?!

They picked up Brit who got more yards and more TDs off of less attempts last season so yes they are a better team without TP. Also, Brit can run more than just 2 routes so that is also an improvement. I mean TP got shut down HARD at the end of last season once they realized his route tree was so limited. When he can't over power the CB he has a hard time.

I'm sure TP will get better but it still remains a fact that outside of potential we got better without him.

I am not siding w/mac, but I don't think Britt is better than Pryor. LOL.....Sorry. Nope!

TP has more upside sure but did he produce more or less? The numbers don't lie. Remove the emotion from it and Brit produces equal to better numbers.

The reality is that TP has potential but we have no way to know if he will ever meet that potential. Until then the NUMBERS say he is not any better than Brit.

I mean I wanted us to resign him pretty bad Vers and you know that but I think the FO did a great job in securing someone who could at least put up the same numbers performance wise.

Razor.........I am not emotional at all. LOL. I promise.

I know the numbers are similar. I just think that Pryor is a superior receiver. Britt has a ton of baggage and has under performed for the vast majority of his career. He has had multiple run-ins w/the law and there were all kinds of questions about his work ethic and commitment to the game. He has been a huge disappointment considering where he was drafted. Pryor is a hard worker. I don't think anyone can question that.

I guess some will question it.........but, at the end of the day if those two WRs were there and I was allowed to choose.........it would be Pryor all day.........every day.

It was more pulling your leg than anything.

You said (I'm paraphrasing) that the homers on this board will discredit the writer whenever something bad is said about the team. That's a legitimate gripe 9/10 times, but the usual MKC article is that 1/10 type situation.

Hey Vers when did you become a member of the front office.lol

I'm not sure that too many people do.

I certainly don't.

Since they started making better moves.

I would choose TP too. I just don't think we really got worse if we picked up a guy who can put up similar numbers.

I was talking more about the don't be like Vers comments.

We signed free agents my friend. We extended players my friend.


Quit talking BS. You don't know what your are talking about.

So Vers, you agree with everything you hear, both sides?

Now this sheds a new light on stuff. These are all things I've never heard before. Except in every post you make in any thread, on every page and on any topic.

You could save yourself a lot of time and I can earn a couple of bucks if you pay me to post for you. What the heck, all I need do is copy one of your posts and past it into every page of every thread three or four times. I can save you that trouble.

Call me "The Fixer".

We will see. We won 1 game with him in th line-up.

I bet we win more without him in the liNe-up.


What do you want to bet....resign from ther board for life?


I'll do it.


Bet or no bet dude? Come on, you are a big talker with little substance.


I am a fan. You are a troll. Take the bet, BUDDY.

Win or lose, I'll still be going to games 5-6 time's a year and you will still be moaning about a team you haven't gone to see in 25 years.


Is it a bet?

This trolls thread needs to be locked.



JMO

What kind of ridiculous bet is that?

See.........people get on mac for saying crazy things, but people typically let posts like yours go.

Saying the Browns will win more games than 1 pretty lame. They better win more games than 1 in year 2 of the new regime.

And correlating Pryor's play to the amount of wins and losses is beyond absurd.

The homer point of view is just as ludicrous as mac's constant hate everything the FO does attitude.

If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

I'm sure 'peen was simply making a bet he couldn't lose. It had nothing to do with Pryor being here or not.

As you would say, stay out of my conversations.



But, it was in public context, so fair enough. I assume sides have been taken.


He said we aren't a better team with Pryor on board. I say we are. I think we are. The record will tell the the tale.

We are NOT a better team without him. We will win more games in 2017 but that's not the same thing, at this juncture.

What.

LOL.......I could go "tab" on you, but I won't.

But.........the part about being a better team.

Let me get this straight. We will be a better team because we got rid of Pryor.

Signing the free agents we have signed will make no difference. Our young players having another year of experience will not make a difference. Hue being more comfortable as a HC will not make a difference. Our draft choices will not help the team.

We are better only because we got rid of Pryor.

Y'all.............I'm sorry.........but the comedy on here is keeping me in stitches. The extremes from mac to guys like peen is side-splitting.

peen, I am not taking sides. mac is POed at me, too. LOL

I disagree w/mac's takes, but I don't like when a bunch of people pick on one person.

You do remember how I used to defend you during the Timid years, right? You do remember how when a bunch of people were slamming you, I would come in and say something to switch their anger from you to me, right. I mean...........you haven't forgotten that, have you?

peen........I'm not taking sides. I am not a "sides" type person. Just looking for a balance, my old friend.

I feel safe to say we are a better team than last year because of free agency.

It's also true that we are a worse team without TP than we would have been with him, which is why we gave him the best offer on the market.

This improved team would have been better with TP in other words.

We are still a better team this year without TP than we were last year with him though because we have a whole lot of players who are no longer rookies and who know the systems on offense and will have much better reactions times compared to last year.

Who knows, maybe after an entire offseason Kessler will come back greatly improved and surprise all of us. Maybe all those rookie WR will come back greatly improved too. It normally takes 2-3 seasons for QBs and WRs to find their stride in the NFL.

This is year two so lets just see how they do. I personally think we will do amazingly better with a much improved O-line.I think Coleman and Brit each have 1200+ yards and at least 6td each. Barnidge will have 800 plus yards and 5tds. Duke will have 500 yards receiving and 3TD. So that means Kessler will throw for 3700 plus yards and 20 tds from the starters. The others will net another 800 yards recieving and 5 more tds. So Kessler's final stats are 4500 yards in the air and 25tds.

Dream Big!!!

This thread has long ago become a bandstand

You forgot about Crowell running for 1,762 yards with 11 TDS and a Super Bowl mvp award.