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Did I say we offered that? His agent went looking for more than 10mil and couldn't find it. anywhere, then came crawling back for more here. They wanted 14 mil it's been reported. We offered a fair 8.5 and they walked. Agents fault.

I responded to a direct quote from Devil. He said that Pryor didn't earn what the Brown's offered him. I challenged that and pointed out we gave similar money to Britt.

You come back w/how did he earn $10 million. Now, you say that you did not say that.

What????

Sorry I guess I misunderstood your post. They were looking to get more than 10mill. and couldn't find it. So with that said how does Pryor and his agent and you think he earned that? And really 8.5mill is a buck and half away from 10 mil so it was a fair offer and they still walked. Agents fault.

I am not going to allow you to twist the intent of my comment.

And that Is?

First of all, Pryor is a 1st yr. WR. Still learning. Nobody else offered him anything close to what we did. Wonder why? Cause he's new. Then you say we gave that to Britt. Again wonder why? 8 Yr. Vet. BIG difference. Don't know why it bothers you to have people defend the FO. There is NOTHING that they did in this case to be upset about. Why does it always have to be both? Can't we just be good with out the bad? I think we are in this case.

I will not apologize for looking at things objectively.

Another one to add to the ignore list bro ..

Just look at the argument he's making here ...

He blames the agent ...

Who hires/fires there agents? ... when u hire Drew it means you want every dime,nickel, penny and ounce of blood u can get ... TP knew exactly what he was doing .... the next time the words "team friendly deal" are used on a deal Drew made will be the first time ...

He wants to pretend the tail wags the dog ... *L* ...

Bottom line: they and by that I mean TP ... they didn't get what they wanted so they changed the plan .... it happens ...

Really vs...you rather have the FO put all their eggs into a WR that hasn't even committed to coming back and forget about an equally qualified veteran WR that has more experience for insurance just in case Pyror signs elsewhere. Pryor didn't earn anymore than the 8.5 mil we offered. Agents fault

Please stop misrepresenting what I said.

bully

Misrepresenting? It was a question . Good day sure

You start out with a false premise ... TP is better right now than Britt ... and he doesn't even know how to run routes or any of the nuisances of playing WR ...

U guy look at the numbers and draw FALSE conclusions ... u guys are going to be dissapointed in Britt next year ... I'll come to Cleveland next year and buy anyone that wants in on that right now a beer ... And I'm not kidding ...

Britt is not that good ... STATS ARE FOR .... and this is a GLARING EXAMPLE of that ...

MenZas ... u keep saying that Britt and TP had the same numbers and u bank on Britt's experience ... before anyone takes me up on my offer ... consider these things menZas ...


- last year Britt eclipsed his season totals in catches and yards by 25% ... it was by far the best year of his career in those two categories ...

- Britt has 8 years experience in the NFL and played the position his entire life .... In TP's first year he put up the same numbers as Britt ....

So in his first year he did what it took Britt 8 to do ...

That doesn't mean anything to u guys ... obviously not ... *L* ...

You might be right. But I got a feeling between his hammies and attitude he's not gonna be all that. I just hope since we do have Britt, maybe he will come through for us.

The Browns claim to be building for sustainability, for the long term. You don't build for the long term by doing the player a favor and issuing "one year show-me" contracts only to have him walk one year later. You sign him to a multi-year contract or you sign someone else to a multi-year contract, but the Browns don't owe anybody the "favor" of giving them a "show-me" deal so they can prove their worth and then walk.

You've said several times now, "you can't make this stuff up", but you always say it following a statement of yours that sounds as "made-up" as any I've heard. You're supposed to say, "you can't make this stuff up", following a proven fact, not following something you just made up.

j/c

I usually don't post on these threads where mac continues to pile on to the FO.

There's a reason for that. This is a thread that has been repeated over and over again. It seems to be something most posters are sick of hearing.

If so, the best answer to that is to quit responding to it. If people didn't respond to it, such threads would simply sink into oblivion and die.

If you continue to respond to it, it will max out, be locked and yet another one will appear.

Make your choice.

LOL.........priceless.

I'm not sure anyone is accusing you of not looking at it objectively?

My conclusion about TP not having earned the contract we offered is also based on an objective look at the situation especially in light of how much this FO values data and production. They try to predict trends and future results.

Pryor only has 1 year of production as a WR. It was not Elite production, nor was it crap either. It's really about middle of the road.

But this FO has consistently looked at a players production levels over time. That was the recurring philosophy in last years Draft correct?

I again will emphasize that Pryor has only 1 season of production and that alone is not reasonably enough to predict what they could reasonably expect Pryors production over a 4 year contract to be. But they offered him one anyway. I said before that the FO would have been more justified in having only offered Pryor a one year show me deal so that they could get more data.

But as it turns out this FO isn't in to spending time on show me deals. And that's fine.

Now contrast that with Kenny Britt... as Bleeds points out.. he has multiple seasons of production where this FO can identify trends and make a prediction.

It's that simple for me really.

Look, it's not that I don't think TP is a good player. I think he is. But he didn't have a season that anyone in their right mind could justify extending Elite WR $$ to. And to be honest the Britt signing doesn't excite me either and I was surprised we signed him to 4 yrs considering his age.

Maybe we aren't as good at the position anymore. That remains to be seen though doesn't it? But Pryor not re-signing isn't like we failed to resign Megatron, Moss, or break out season Gordon 2.0

Britt hasn't had a good career. In fact, it's been quite the opposite.

I haven't bashed the FO for not keeping Pryor. I was simply questioning you about your comment about him not earning what the Browns offered.

Naw, I know you're not bashing the FO about it. And I'm glad you did ask me to clarify my comments. I knew when I made the assertion that an admittedly good player offered a fair market value contract didn't deserve it, that it would be a bit outside the box. So no hard feelings on my part

Contrary to mac's assertion, I do think that the FO wanted Pryor to stay. It's why they offered a multi-year contract. The problem came when determining the value. It's no one's fault, but I don't see how the FO could have justified much more $$ at this point.

Wait a minute. I didn't respond to you earlier. You responded to me and said something like "Read much...blah, blah, blah." Yet, I'm trying to start the fight?

I was actually being nice when I made the priceless comment because it wasn't me who had the reading comprehension problem.

Devil made a comment. I asked him a question about it. Spiral quoted me and then made a claim that had NOTHING to do w/what I said.

But, as usual, you come in and blast me and when I respond.......you say I'm trying to start a fight.

How about this? Let's stop replying to one another? People don't like reading this type of garbage. I tried telling you that in a PM. I would welcome never speaking to you again. So please, stop bashing everything I say and then you won't have to worry about me "starting fights," "being hypocritical," and being "the board bully."

Have a nice life.

I agree with you Pryor earned what the Brown's originally offered.

To bad Pryor and his agent turned it down and went looking elswhere to find more than what he had actually earned or he still would be a Browns WR.

I agree. And again............I am not blaming the FO for not keeping Pryor. I am not blaming Pryor either. Sometimes, crap happens.

I just wish he was still on the team.

Yeah this being the FO thread I missed your intent. My bad.

It's okay.

I blame Drew Rosenhaus.

. . . who works for Terrelle Pryor.

JMHO, don't blame anyone...Pryor THOUGHT he was worth more AND is betting he stays healthy and earns BIG contract...it is what he wanted....and he chose to go to a team with an established QB....he COULD have made a good decision. Our team offered him more than he earned/was worth and he turned them down...we got a more experienced receiver for same money and same stats LAST yr.... Did I want Pryor back, yes, at right price.....he's gone...sorry...next story about Browns....GO Browns!!!!

Pryor wanted out of Cleveland and got out of Cleveland. End of story.

In this particular case, that is debateable. I think Drew was working for Drew this time around.

I wonder if anyone was working for the Browns?

The blame game is stupid.

The people working for the Browns made a better financial offer than any other team out there...I'd say they did their job, kept their word, and demonstrated that they wanted to keep him.

Pryor decided he wanted something more than what they offered and he took a different deal with less money and less guarantee to go prove himself.

I don't 'blame' either side...but I think Pryor made a huge mistake.

I'm just hoping that Pryor stays healthy this year, because that contract that his agent negotiated for him was not in his best interest.

I think I'm already on the record for saying that if Drew asked the Browns for the same 1 year deal and they declined it, it was a mistake by the FO, so I'll leave that blame game stuff for guys that like to create drama on message boards.

I wasn't trying to create drama. In fact, my intentions were quite the opposite.

It's been tough for Cleveland Browns fans. In the past 20 years, the team has had only one playoff appearance, losing in the Wild Card round in 2002. They have gone through six head coaches and 18 starting quarterbacks in just the last 10 years. They have botched numerous high draft picks and mishandled millions of dollars in salary cap money.
Now, though, it seems the Browns may finally be heading in the right direction.
It all started in January 2016, when the Browns appointed Sashi Brown, a Harvard-educated lawyer, as the team’s general manager. Days later, they hired “Moneyball” pioneer and analytics guru Paul DePodesta as chief strategy officer. With a highly-educated, analytics-based front office, the Browns seemed poised for success.
However, in 2016, the Browns finished an abysmal 1-15 with a league-worst minus-188 point differential. They had the league’s second worst defense and third worst offense. Suddenly, the geniuses at the top of the organization seemed like all the other failed Browns that had come before them.
Entering this offseason with more than $105 million in cap space and 11 draft picks, including the first and 12th overall, the Browns had the most assets to work with. Before the free agency period, they began with various expected moves such as re-signing linebacker Jamie Collins and cutting wide receiver Andrew Hawkins and quarterback Josh McCown.
Then, when the 2017 free agency period started on March 9, the Browns made an unprecedented move. In what appeared to be more of an NBA trade, they sent a 2017 fourth-round pick to the Texans in exchange for quarterback Brock Osweiler, a 2017 sixth-round pick, and a 2018 second-round pick. The Browns essentially gave away money in exchange for future draft picks, as they have already expressed interest in cutting Osweiler.

With the move, Brown and DePodesta have now introduced the practice of buying draft picks through trades. The Browns now have 22 draft picks in the next two drafts, tops in the league, and more than enough to package a deal together for a superstar.

According to reports, the Browns seem highly interested in Patriots quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo. Though the Patriots are not expected to trade Garoppolo, the Browns could offer a package of draft picks, including the 12th overall pick, that would be difficult for Bill Belichick to pass up. If the Browns pull off this trade, they would be snagging the best available quarterback for only the $16 million of Osweiler’s contract. They would likely still retain a majority of their 22 picks, including this year’s first overall pick.
With the first overall pick, the Browns are unanimously predicted to draft Texas A&M standout defensive end Myles Garrett. Garrett is the consensus number-one player available in the draft and should provide an immediate impact on the defensive side of the ball, where they have lacked in the past. The Browns had the second worst rushing defense last season, so an upgrade on the defensive line is sorely needed.
On top of the draft picks, the Browns made more big splashes on the first day of free agency by signing Kevin Zeitler, the top-ranked free agent offensive lineman, to a five-year, $60 million contract. In addition, they signed center J.C. Tretter to a three-year, $16.75 million contract.
With these free-agent signings, the Browns bolstered their offensive line. Last season, the Browns’ unit allowed the most sack net expected points in the league. Now, pairing the two veterans with future Hall of Famer Joe Thomas, the Browns’ offensive line should be among the best in the league. Now they just need a good quarterback to protect.
The final move the Browns made on the first day of free agency was signing wide receiver Kenny Britt. A 1,000-yard receiver in 2016, Britt brings the presence of a number-one target after the departure of Terrelle Pryor Sr. Paired with up-and-coming rookie Corey Coleman, and 2015 Pro Bowl tight end Gary Barnidge, the Browns could be forming a dangerous passing attack.
Even with all of their spending, the Browns still have the second most cap space left. There is still time to improve on other areas of weakness, such as their secondary, which ranked 28th overall according to Pro Football Focus. Though they have made some serious improvements to their team, the Browns are not done yet. They still have a long way to go to reach the pinnacles of the NFL. However, with the unique strategies of Brown and DePodesta, the laughingstock of the league has made some crucial improvements to their team.
Soon, Browns fans may be celebrating in January.

http://www.thesportsquotient.com/nfl/2017/3/20/the-browns-are-finally-making-good-moves

I don't think the FO made a mistake...I think GM said it all....Pryor just did not want to be here.

Would I have liked Pryor back here? Yes of course.

On a 1 year deal? Sure.

Can I understand why the FO wouldn't want a guy who clearly only wants a one year "prove it" deal to maximize his contract next year, when he's already 28? Sure.

It is what it is.