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Why the kids, man?

Why when it comes to budget plans, they always want to screw over the kids? I don't get it.

I'm all for budget cuts. Sure. So while pit is going "some posters" maybe he can explain to me why defense spending can't be part of the cuts?

Why screw over the kids, elderly, and while I'm reading the budget plan, the veterans of this nation, just to put more money into nukes and defense?

Why is defense spending such a no no when it comes to budget cuts? Why must the education of our kids take a hike just so we can promote killing more people?

People made fun of me and said I was overreacting in the thread I made about Betsy wanting to cut food programs.

Doesn't look like an overreaction now, does it.


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Why do we have to boost defense spending?

Why can't we CUT that overinflated defense spending and invest that 50 something billion into our kids or something else?

Sorry but this crap is heartbreaking. Trump supporters motto: screw the kids, boost the military.


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Ya stoner ... screw the kids ... old people too .. any other groups U want to add in that I want dead, starving or living on the streets ... cause I'm a heartless pos ... rolleyes

I don't have enough info on this to make an INFORMED decision ... I would actually like to know more before I agree to being a heartless pos ... *L* ..

my guess is I'd find the money for it if it were up to me ... but make no mistake about it ... there's GOT TO BE SACRIFICE IN MORE THAN ONE PLACE ... and it can't all come from rich people and the military ... your boy all ready gutted the military ...

Just out of curiousity ... why is it my job to FEED your kids at school? ...

I all ready pay for their schools, teachers, books, busses and extra circular stuff ... and lets not forget the affective administrators ... gotta pay for them ...

plus if their low income kids ... I'm more,than likely paying for their rent, welfare and food stamps ... guess I gotta pay for their food twice ,,, once at home and once at school ...

Meanwhile the people that had them just keep asking for more ...

And the return on investment ... how can u not be thrilled with it ... we invest way more than any other country in the world and our in the middle or bottom of almost any measurable u want to use as far as results go ...

Quite frankly .. with the results we're getting ... we should make them all day cares and then we could feed and cloth all of them and have some left over ... *L* ...




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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Bud, you have to draw a line somewhere and I understand that. Budget cuts have to be made. But somewhere you also need to look at the cost verses the benefit.

In many cases, kids don't really have anywhere to go. Their home life may be filled with drug abuse and alcohol. Many are abused. Having after school programs and food gives them an option to keep themselves off the street. Away from the gang lifestyle. In the grand scheme of things, cutting such a program saves very little.

It's just like meals on wheels. Many of those people are mentally ill, elderly and infirmed. It's not a very expensive program. Cuts are certainly needed. But when the burden starts to fall on the elderly, poor children and the infirmed, I can't promote that.

The difference between myself and some posters is that I understand the budget is a process. I understand the fact that in all likelihood, these programs will not end because this is simply the beginning of the negotiations. I understand how this process works. But to even have these two items being as proposed cuts is simply wrong.

I have to wonder how these after school programs have helped crime fall over the past two decades. How many more gang bangers we'd have on the streets and how many more kids would go hungry or fall to drugs if they didn't have such after school programs. Some programs do benefit society and that takes just a little investment.


Wouldn't argue with a thing u just said Pit ... not at all ... except for the part about not including them in negotiations ... not including them on moral grounds is hurting yourself in negotiations ... u put them in ... u can always take,them out depending on how the negotiation is going ... good luck introducing them later if U didn't include them initially ... *L* ...




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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Ya stoner ... screw the kids ... old people too .. any other groups U want to add in that I want dead, starving or living on the streets ... cause I'm a heartless pos ... rolleyes



that's what you voted for. the shoe fits.

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I don't have enough info on this to make an INFORMED decision ... I would actually like to know more before I agree to being a heartless pos ... *L* ..



it's funny how when Trump starts proposing things, or trying to take credit for some potentially job creation, you and others wouldn't shut the hell up singing his praises.

but once again, now that he's doing snake ass crap, it's "i need more info to make an informed decision"

you're a joke.

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my guess is I'd find the money for it if it were up to me ... but make no mistake about it ... there's GOT TO BE SACRIFICE IN MORE THAN ONE PLACE ... and it can't all come from rich people and the military ... your boy all ready gutted the military ...



except the military isn't gutted. our military has and will remain #1 in spending for a quite some time. imma need you to stop making things up.

oh, never mind. you act just like the president: lies, making things up.

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Just out of curiousity ... why is it my job to FEED your kids at school? ...



and you said you served? highly doubt that with such a nasty character when it comes to helping the man/woman/child standing beside you.

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I all ready pay for their schools, teachers, books, busses and extra circular stuff ... and lets not forget the affective administrators ... gotta pay for them ...



my wife and i do too, i will continue to support spending in those areas cause it's our DAMN KIDS. not gonna support cutting programs for my our anybody else's kids. sick.

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plus if their low income kids ... I'm more,than likely paying for their rent, welfare and food stamps ... guess I gotta pay for their food twice ,,, once at home and once at school ...



so you're all good for corporate welfare and putting more money into people's pockets who don't need it, but the poor kids need a bit of help, and all of a sudden it's a problem?

you do realize that a lot of middle class families are gonna be affected by this, right?

no, you don't. cause Trump loves the uneducated.

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Meanwhile the people that had them just keep asking for more ...

And the return on investment ... how can u not be thrilled with it ... we invest way more than any other country in the world and our in the middle or bottom of almost any measurable u want to use as far as results go ...



i agree, we invest way more than any country in the world when it comes to DEFENSE SPENDING. so why in god's name do they need ANOTHER 50 billion?

you still haven't said anything about that.

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Quite frankly .. with the results we're getting ... we should make them all day cares and then we could feed and cloth all of them and have some left over ... *L* ...



i might be a stoner, but at least i'm not some sick heartless bastard like you and the rest of the trump supporters are. i'll take being a stoner 10/10 if that means never being anything like you. i would've killed myself already being that miserable.

people want to talk about the cuts have to come from somewhere.

i agree. start with cutting that bloated ass defense spending. or how bout not INCREASING any spending at all?


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No buyers remorse from the people I talk to. Farmers included.

We are not emotion based Liberals, crying about everything, we understand you have to break a few eggs to make a delicious omelet!

This thang is only beginning.

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i wonder how many millions of dollars we're wasting having to secure trump tower because of melania?

i wonder what program(s) could be saved using those funds.


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i wonder how many millions of dollars we're wasting having to secure trump tower because of melania?

i wonder what program(s) could be saved using those funds.



Re sharing this truthbomb.


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except for the part about not including them in negotiations ... not including them on moral grounds is hurting yourself in negotiations ... u put them in ... u can always take,them out depending on how the negotiation is going ... good luck introducing them later if U didn't include them initially ... *L* ...


I think we got our wires crossed somewhere Bud. lol

I DO believe those cuts will be a part of negotiations. I don't see a budget getting passed with those cuts in it. I actually believe that's EXACTLY why they were proposed in the first place. lol

That's why I don't get as emotional as some about such proposals. Budgets are always negotiated and we both know that the first proposal is just the opening volley in those negotiations.

It's really not a good look though.


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Wow ... so many lies and bs ... I'll just start with this BLATANT LIE ...

The military is not gutted? ...

Ok stoner ... then why are we going to the smithsonian to get parts for planes ... maybe they don't manufacture them anymore? ... *LOL* ...

I'm immune to u and your bs by now ... but I gotta admit ... even u shocked me with the STUPIDITY of that statement ...

Yes sir ... our military ain't gutted .... and I'm the joke ... I guess in stoner world ... *LOL*

And u wonder why I question weather u served or not ...




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Perhaps it hasn't yet dawned on them that it will be their eggs that get broken, so that the big dogs can eat...

There will be pain.

We're already seeing anger-filled town halls because of the ACA repeal efforts. Wait til they realize how much more they'll be sacrificing under this proposed budget.

You're correct: "This thang is only beginning."

You couldn't be more right. It's gonna get ugly.


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Perhaps it hasn't yet dawned on them that it will be their eggs that get broken, so that the big dogs can eat...

There will be pain.
We're already seeing anger-filled town halls because of the ACA repeal efforts.

You're correct: "This thang is only beginning."

You couldn't be more right. It's gonna get ugly.


Real ugly Clem ...

And were just starting with acts 1 and 2 ...

We still have the wall, refugees, tax cuts, how to deal with the other illegals here and I'm sure a few others I'm forgetting ...

The sad part is ... I don't see how to unite it ... there's to many issues there's just no good compromises on ...

Our country has simply gotten to big .... very sad and disheartening ...




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Now what? This is absolutely disgusting. Screw the kids, right Arch? We need more bombs!!!


Is that what I actually said?


I still haven't found where I said that. Could you show me?

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Would it be possible for everyone to simply agree on 1 thing, and then we'll go from there?

The 1 thing I think everyone should agree on is: The fed. budget needs to be cut.

Can everyone agree on that?


(the next step would be "hey, can't cut that, can't cut this...but that's the NEXT step)

Cuts sometimes hurt. Often times, they become a good thing. Not every time, but often times.







And cam we all agree that constantly spending more than we (make) is a bad thing? I get it, there are times it is necessary to run a deficit. But every single year?

Military spending. Many have made good posts about this. I swear, if we cut out the waste, we could reduce the spending. (and actually, that goes for every department).

Gov't. spends and spends and spends, sometimes just because "hey, we have the money in the budget, and if we can't show we spent it, they'll cut it for next year."

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Might as well have. You voted for this.

You and others sat there and clowned me over my concern they was gonna cut food programs for kid.

Now that your boy has proposed exactly that, you still haven't commented on it.

All you can do now is play the "did I say exactly that?" Angle.

Still waiting on you to actually comment on the issue, btw.


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Might as well have. You voted for this.

You and others sat there and clowned me over my concern they was gonna cut food programs for kid.

Now that your boy has proposed exactly that, you still haven't commented on it.

All you can do now is play the "did I say exactly that?" Angle.

Still waiting on you to actually comment on the issue, btw.


Okay. So I didn't say what you said I said. Thanks.

(and for the record, I only posted in this thread in response to you calling me out, stating a fallacy about me. Is that how win? Stating lies?)

And also, for the record, I have responded to the topic.

Here, I'll do it again: Cuts are necessary in many, many, many areas. Cuts to the waste. Wasteful spending is killing this country.

Local gov't., state gov't., and federal gov't. There's so much waste, at every level, it's sad.

Want me to talk just about a local situation? I will.

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Cutting food for kids and meals on wheels from the Fed budget is step one in sending those responsibilities back to the States. We are reducing the size of the Federal Government now.

Taking money out of HUD who builds low income housing is because we have a huge infrastructure plan coming up that will build those buildings. No sense in having it twice in a budget.

Now go put on your big boy pants and watch how the grown ups fix this mess you made.

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To 40 and Arch:

You mean send the responsibility to the same states that ALREADY need a ton of federal money?

For example, how is all republican - led Kansas gonna pull that off? They can't even afford what they have now. But cutting federal spending to those sort of states is gonna somehow make things better?

What type of ass backward logic is that?

Also, why does defense spending need to be increased? This is pathetic, no matter how y'all try to spin it.


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When a new football game begins and the Browns run on their first play, do you cry and cry that all they do is run?

Do you lament over the fact they will need to pass to win?

Is the game over after just one play?

Sit back and watch this thing develop. There are so many angles coming into play before this is complete.

You have tax changes.
Rule changes
Law changes
Repatriation of overseas funds
Huge cuts to the size of the Federal government
and a hundred other things coming.

Stop crying over the first play of the game already!

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING

Is the game over after just one play?


When the Browns play. Yes. I think they're a good analogy to DJT though. Well done thumbsup

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Yes, because they don't run the ball. We're pass happy with no qb and no WRs.

Which is exactly what this bill is. Have a good day.


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