DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum The Annual Tease: Josh Gordon

Exactly. I really wish we would stop wasting time talking about a guy we aren't paying and who is not on the roster.

Me too.

People that say "we need to cut him" are just blind to the facts in my opinion.

Cut him for what? Cutting him would do the exact same thing as what is now happening with him. Nothing.

Josh made his bed. Not the Browns. If he never comes back, we've lost nothing. If he does come back, we might have an all pro player, or we might have a pile of doo, or we might have a player somewhere in between.

Like the 7 Jimmy Garoppolo threads, wasting time talking about a guy we aren't paying and who is not on the roster.

It's not surprising that you can't identify the difference.

cutting him is dumb. just keep his rights and forget him. if the .1% chance happens, then so be it

Prediction:

Josh comes back and is in 2013 form.

We roll with Osweiler who gets MVP votes slinging it to a now solid WR corp.

Coleman leads the league in 40+ yard TDs.

Crow and Duke combine for 2000 yards rushing.

Myles Garrett leads the league in sacks and wins DROY.

The Browns win the Super Bowl and have the most interesting episode of "America's Game" ever.

*turns off Xbox*

In essence, Hipaa doesn't have any effect on this situation at all. The biggest part of the law is that an employer can't reveal the nature of an employees illness (among other things)

EDIT: I need to restate this. To my knowledge and based on what I've read, I don't see how HIPAA has an effect on this situation. But I'm not a subject matter expert

In this case, we already know.

But you will notice, you don't see the Browns commenting on it specifically.

I agree Eo... He's not in our plans.

I agree. So, perhaps we stop talking about him until he is actually reinstated?

I'd be just fine with never mentioning his name again.. But you can't tell people on a public board such as this what to post and what not to post. That is not your place or mine.

I didn't "tell" anyone what to post. I put a question mark to signify it was a suggestion and a question, rather than a declaration or command.

How about this... has there been any clarity on Gordon's latest cryptic tweets?

Care to share? I have not heard anything at all

I am half expecting a follow up that says

" dedicated to my health spending 2017 in rehab not on the sidelines "

I certainly hope not. He's cost the Browns bigly, and I'm not talking about money or roster spots. He should never be part of our plans ever again.

He tweeted "thank the football gods" around the start of FA. He also tweeted about people being petty, or something like that. Made it seem like there's something going on with his suspension and/or grievance.

Josh Gordon training with Tim Montgomery, changes agents
3:34 PM ET

Dan GrazianoESPN Staff Writer

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Suspended Cleveland Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon is working out with former Olympian turned speed coach Tim Montgomery in hopes of resuming his career, sources close to the situation said.

Gordon, who turns 26 on April 16 and has served a drug suspension in all or part of each of the last four seasons, has been working out in Gainesville, Florida, with Montgomery.

Montgomery has had his own drug problems in the past. He served prison time after pleading guilty to possession and distribution of more than 100 grams of heroin in 2008 and was stripped of his medals and suspended in 2005 for using performance-enhancing drugs based on evidence gathered in the criminal investigation of the BALCO steroid scandal.

Since that time, Montgomery has rebuilt his life and is a coach and motivator at NUMA Speed, using his past mistakes to help others. According to NUMA Speed's website, Montgomery "focuses on helping athletes build self-confidence and avoid social and professional pitfalls in the face of substance abuse and peer pressure."
As he awaits a decision on his request to be reinstated, Josh Gordon is working out with former Olympian Tim Montgomery and has changed agents. AP Photo/Bob Leverone

Gordon also changed agents this offseason and is now represented by Joby Branion, whose client list includes star Denver Broncos pass-rusher Von Miller -- a player who found himself in the NFL's drug program early in his career but managed to work his way out of it.

Gordon began the process of applying for reinstatement earlier this month, and sources said the expectation is that the NFL will make a decision by late April or early May. There's no guarantee of reinstatement, considering Gordon's history, but one source close to Gordon said he "embraces his role in his poor decision-making, which is half the battle."

He was conditionally reinstated last offseason and suspended for the first four games of 2016. But before that suspension ended, he entered a rehab facility and remained on the suspended list.

Gordon is still under contract with the Browns, but sources with knowledge of the team's plans have said they intend to move on from the troubled former star wideout and would either release him or try to trade him if he should be reinstated by the league.

In September of last season, when Gordon checked himself into rehab, Browns coach Hue Jackson said: "What's best for our football team is that we move forward and move on. He's not going to be with us, and we wish him well, but we're moving forward. We're going to move on.''

guarantee...STRONG word...Hue says we're moving on, Sashi and company have drafted character guys....JMHO, I guarantee Josh Gordon never plays as a Brown...hope we get a KIT KAT for him or more when we trade him.....GO Browns!!!

"First down as the Browns are running out the clock. We can put it away right now. Britt goes in motion. Coleman settles into the slot. Barnidge is tight to the left. Gordon is flanked out wide to the right. Crowell is in the backfield as Jimmy takes the snap. Here we go."

j/c:

If Gordon gets reinstated, I think the FO will move him if the draft value is something they like. I hope they give him one last chance, but I doubt it. I just cannot divorce myself from the talent I saw on the field.

glass half full guy huh

Josh Gordon - WR - Browns

According to ESPN's Dan Graziano, Josh Gordon is expected to hear back from the league about his reinstatement application by late April or early May.
Gordon applied for reinstatement on March 1 and should learn his fate around the same time as the NFL Draft. Substance abuse issues have kept Gordon off the field since 2014. Browns coach Hue Jackson has washed his hands of Gordon, making it unlikely he'll be back with Cleveland even if he's reinstated. Gordon turns 26 in April.

Source: Dan Graziano on Twitter Mar 24 - 1:24 PM

People can repeat what Hue said all they want.

From an analytical stand point.

Josh is young, cheap, and has potential.

This, based on nothing but serendipity: To BB, JG for JG, low second, lowest fourth.

Wonder if it would get his attention.

We get Jimmy G, a 2nd and a 4th for Gordon?

Sign me up!

New England would be the best landing spot for JG. They did it with other bad boys and they could do it for him. Brady to Gordon; scary if he returns to his previous form.

'Josh Gordon hopes ban lifted in a month or so, per report, but he's not in the Browns' plans for 2017'

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By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com on March 24, 2017 at 8:40 PM, updated March 24, 2017 at 9:36 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Josh Gordon is hoping for a decision on his reinstatement by late April or early May, according to a report, but he's still not in the Browns' plans for 2017.

ESPN's Dan Graziano reported Friday that Gordon and his camp expect NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to rule on Gordon's application for reinstatement from his indefinite drug ban in about a month or so, but that there's no guarantee he'll be let back in the league. One source close to Gordon told Graziano he "embraces his role in his poor decision-making, which is half the battle."

Even if he is reinstated, it's doubtful the Browns will give him another chance. A source said they'll likely try to trade him or possibly even release him. They have his rights for two more years after he's reinstated.

But the Browns have given Gordon numerous chances, and he hasn't been able to stay on the field for them. He's been suspended for 43 of their last 48 games, and hasn't seen the field since Dec. 21, 2014 -- a 17-13 loss to the Panthers.

Graziano also reported that Gordon, who turns 26 next month, has been working out in Gainesville, Florida with former Olympian Tim Montgomery.

If anyone understands Gordon's battle with substance abuse, it's Montgomery, who turned his life around after prison time for possessing and selling heroin. Montgomery is now a coach at NUMA Speed, who helps troubled athletes get their lives and careers back on track.

If Gordon is to be reinstated, he'll have to convince Goodell that he's not going to slip up again. The commissioner's whole emphasis has been on Gordon getting well before he can resume his football career.

He reinstated Gordon on a conditional basis in July, suspending him for the first four games of the 2016 season for another violation of the substance abuse policy.
Before that was up, Gordon left the team and checked himself into a 28-day rehab facility primarily for alcohol abuse, sources told cleveland.com.

Gordon was also involved in a paternity suit when he left the team, and needed to step away to get himself together. Earlier this month, Gordon's business manager Michael Johnson told ESPN that the receiver was finally on the right track.

"Josh is living with me and is in the best place mentally that he has been in dating back years before entering the NFL,'' Johnson said. "He has taken the proper steps to treat his issues and has followed a very strict protocol that the league and our team here has laid out for him.

"He's also in the best shape of his life and feels even better than he did when he had his breakout year in 2013. This will be a special year for Josh and we are all very proud of the way he has taken the necessary steps to turn his life around."

Gordon has at one advocate in Berea in advisor Jim Brown, who helped broker his conditional reinstatement last year. But head of football operations Sashi Brown and coach Hue Jackson don't appear ready to go down this road again.

"On occasion I would check in with Josh just personally because we care for the young man,'' Sashi Brown said. "But beyond that we really haven't sat down to talk about what it would be like if he gets back in or even taken the time to understand exactly what that would look like. That's a pretty complicated process and we've got a lot of guys to focus our attention on.''

When Gordon left the team last year, Jackson made it clear the team was closing the book on him, and he's not believed to be interested in opening it.

"He's not reinstated yet, so I think it would be premature to get in any discussion about that,'' he said at the combine. "I'm sure we'll deal with it in the future when the time comes."

MKC uses months-old quotes from Hue that may not even be definitive of the situation, weeks-old quotes from Sashi, an anonymous source, and stuff from an ESPN report. She's quite the journalist.

Sounds very similar to the question I asked.

No. We swap JG's, then Patsies get the picks. Overvalued for overvalued. Just trying to lock in worth. Forces BB to process what he feels his judgment is worth. I assume it will take some package approach to pry Jimmy loose; just a start for consideration. Would this get us a comp pick back? Or force one out of us? Not sure what Gordon would represent in a trade. ThatGuy, I like yours better, so sign me up to. Trying to leverage what we have for what we want or to sweeten the package in part.

She can't even disguise it well. Has MKC been blackballed? She doesn't seem to be able to get any info on her own anymore. Years ago she at least used to get a fluff interview every once in a while.

I don't like Mary Kay, but I don't think she did anything wrong in this instance.

Yesterday, Gordon's camp released information about his possible reinstatement. Thus, it's news.

However, the Browns aren't talking about Gordon. The last time they addressed the JG situation was when Sashi said:

She didn't do anything wrong, but she didn't do anything a thousand amateur bloggers or DT posters couldn't do, either

lamp..........the Browns have made it clear that they aren't commenting on Gordon until he is reinstated. However, it was a new's story yesterday because ESPN reported the information that Gordon's camp gave them.

She can't just manufacture quotes.

Just like the Steelers Martavis Bryant.

I get what you're saying very, but it still seems kind of, I don't know... lazy, click-baiting.

Edit: sorry, that was a reply for Vers.