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Depends what, if anything comes of it. I will take a look at everything-- the exact issues that come up, the quality and amount of the evidence, etc. If that demands that I change my opinion then I will.

Why even bring up Obama? How about we blame Obama for hiring a Secretary of State that worked to fund "moderate rebels" (i.e. radical extremists) in Syria, Libya, and other countries that lead to hundreds of thousands of people killed and millions more having a drastically reduced quality of life? You hang onto these theories about Trump being bought by Russia that have no real evidence, yet your preferred candidate received tens of millions of dollars while in office from countries that are more hostile to Americans than Russia is. Where is your consistency?

oh, i'm just putting words in your mouth, since you decided to state what and how myself and others would react to the situation if Trump is indeed not involved with russia.

That's been going on for over a decade that I can recall. I don't see why you expect this to be any different. Hillary had what, eight different Benghazi hearings? They still found nothing to charge her with. Now you think things should suddenly change?

It's not that I advocate this type of thing. It's simply that if you wished to stop it, maybe you should have tried to stop it earlier? As much as it pains me to say it, I think Trump is being treated like Hillary and now his side is offended by it.

I like how Haus is so certain that HRC has a life threatening illness, but still won't accept that Russians hacked the DNC.

Senate Intelligence Committee rejects Flynn's request for immunity: NBC

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/31/senate-in...munity-nbc.html

You know what's more embarrassing than Trump and Russia?

The guy on the commercials who has to talk about opioid-induced constipation.

Good luck on those Tinder dates.

Flynn should know more than anyone. When you surrender, it's unconditional.

I guess that means they did not like anything he has to say. Sounds like a win for Trump!

Actually I think the opposite.

Why?

So I've heard. More than 2,000,000 people more than those that support him.

I think he has dirt on the Anti Trump folks and Obamaites.
He won't talk because it is in Trumps favor and we all know what happens to those who come out with anything pro Trump.
That is why he wanted immunity.

lmao. there it is!! Obama did it!!!

Because he's probably guilty of treason or some other crime and needs to be punished. Nobody asks for immunity unless they committed a crime, nobody. He's even said it. Trump has said it.

No Kidding.

I'm kindof surprised the Obama's haven't been deported to Kenya by now.

Why, is she about to come clean about the Clintons? Police protection won't help her when she commits suicide by shooting herself in the back of the neck... twice.

Yes, Obama with his Intelligence spies, leaking traitors, espionage, and Globalist partners will be found guilty when this is done.

The Draining of the Swamp begins.

#deepstate

I'm no fan of Trump but I do say give him his fair chance. Also, as a conspiracy theorist I gotta admit I agree with a lot of his accusations on that video. (Hey-now?)

I can see how people would have gotten annoyed with the repeated investigations into Benghazi. I am experiencing a similar annoyance with this Russian thing. I say 'Russian thing' because nobody has laid out, in detail and with hard evidence, exactly what they think happened.

Anyway, I'm not sure what you mean when you suggest that maybe I should have stopped this earlier? Do you mean me specifically or just people in general? I never brought up Benghazi. Others have found this hard to believe, but I did not follow politics during that period as closely as I do now. And by the time this election season was heating up, I thought there were more pressing things to point out that hadn't gotten as much exposure that Benghazi did.

I guess I shouldn't have mentioned "you" in the first person. My bad.

I just find it funny how so many who felt it was practical and needed to investigate Hillary over and over again, now have such a problem with Trump being investigated.

I would find it quite logical that when it has already been established that Russia tried to influence our election in favor of Trump, combined with how many of his associates had contact with the Russians, finding an answer to obvious questions this brings up would be something that's expected.

You are significantly overstating my position on that. She looked very unwell during large stretches of the campaign and that wasn't very hard to see. It's in the past though.. just let it go.

How convenient.

I've literally told you multiple times on this forum about the evidence pointing to Russia. You have ignored and skated around every point. I will do so again, but first I need to point something out to you. Benghazi has lasted for 5 years. This Russia thing has been ongoing for 10 months. Just wait.

So, you are under the impression that Guccifer 2.0 hacked the DNC. As everyone knows Guccifer proudly claims that he is a Romanian. He also says he hates Russia. When he gave an interview to Vice, his Hungarian was clunky and looked like it was from a translations service. He also was working quite hard on the DNC hack. The only day he took off was a Russian Holiday honoring the Military. Weird. So when he got the documents and released them all, they had Russian metadata ("a set of data that describes and gives information about other data") was all in Russian.

Most people paid to find these people, have identified him as Fancy Bear, a group of Russian hackers who are state sponsored. They're a nasty bunch. Some bad lyudi, if you catch my drift.

I see your point about feeling the need to investigate Hillary over and over for Benghazi, and then having a problem with Trump being investigated over Russia. Are some probably trying to play both sides? Sure.

Any possible Trump-Russian connections should be investigated. Let's find out what the truth is, whatever that may be.

I do find it concerning how so many people are so deeply convinced that Trump has been bought and paid for by a foreign power, that he's compromised, he's a traitor... and yet, the investigation hasn't even been completed. I don't see how anybody could come to that conclusion unless they start with the idea he is guilty and then work backwards from there.

Earlier in this thread, Swish said that he didn't think anybody on here hoped that there was any collusion between Trump and the Russians. I really, really doubt that is accurate. People are chomping at the bit trying to pin Trump and anybody close to him to Russia whenever it's remotely feasible.

First of all the Guccifer 2.0 hacks were hardly even talked about; they did virtually no harm to the Clinton campaign. And what would stop some hacker who wanted to pin the hack on Russia from having Cyrillic script installed on their computer and taking a day off on a Russian holiday? That's not a very hard thing to think of, and that says nothing in regards to somebody in Russia/Eastern Europe vs. the Russian government.

And what does any of that have to do with Trump anyway? You have a lot of holes to fill in there.

If that is the evidence then it is quite pathetic. For good measure: there were recent Wikileaks releases that show how hackers go to great lengths to impersonate the techniques of rival powers. It was posted in one of these threads.

Maybe you can pat yourself on the back again for taking the #highroad

I'm not one of those people. I do want a compete investigation. I do want to find the answers to the concerns. However, I have no preconceived notions as to any guilt or innocence.

I would certainly hope that Trump is not involved and that "if" anyone involved with Trump happens to be involved, that he quickly removes them from their positions.

Flynn lied to the Administration and was quickly removed. I believe more questions revolve around Flynn than anyone else so far. I am concerned that he says he, "has a story to tell" and wants immunity in order to tell that story. I have seen stories that implicate him in money laundering but once again nothing definitive. On the surface that looks suspicious yet I still have no way of knowing what that really means.

Interesting that the Senate Committee refused to give Flynn immunity. Could be several reasons. Maybe he didn't have enough credible info to justify immunity. Maybe he did not have enough dirt on somebody higher than him to justify immunity. THe most likely scenario is that granting him immunity would interfere in the FBI High Crimes investigation making him a target or trying to force him to cut a deal.

With so many data points, so many links back to Russia, the way Russia is acting, the way the Administration is acting, and the fact that Republican led investigations in the House, Senate, and FBI are ongoing and not coming out to clear the republican administration; it all feels like something very serious happened and heads will roll.

No. You kept choosing to ignore all the posts. Yes, neither of the hacks to Podesta or the DNC did any damage to her campaign :eyeroll: Yes, it is plausible that someone would make cyrillic their default language and then open and save it. He says he does the same in Spanish sometimes. That's impressive since he can't understand Russian. Here's a Vice interview with him https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/dnc-hacker-guccifer-20-full-interview-transcript

It even includes the Romanian transcript. So again, very plausible he opened the documents after setting his language and just used his memory of the ui to plant everything. Or maybe it's just a group of Russians who speak Russians. I don't know, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Also weird that he can't speak Romanian for a Romanian national.

But you do have a point. False flags can be created. Like maybe a Russian sponsored group re-appropriated the identity of a Romanian activist. I don't know.

I don't think it originally had anything to do with Trump. I think Putin hates HRC with a passion. He may or may not like DJT. I do find it curious that Trump sought to lift the sanctions from Obama placed on them for the hacks. Maybe it was a way to legitimize his Presidency? I think that proved to fall flat.

This all seems pretty reasonable.

Here's a take on what to make of the immunity request: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/31/flynns-im...says-it-is.html

Towards the end:

Ok I will. Thanks. I could have taken the low road very easily.

Just to address this-- the Podesta emails did hurt Clinton's campaign by showing the extensive corruption in the Democratic party and collusion with the media, among other things. The Guccifer 2.0 hacks were a different thing and they fell completely flat. I bet many people on here haven't even heard of them.

It is that last part that would make you different from a lot of people... most people do not believe the investigation was complete until it returns the "verdict" that they wanted or already believed to be true.

There are those who will believe Hillary is guilty and was negligent no matter what an investigation finds...

There are those who will believe Trump is innocent/guilty no matter what an investigation finds...

In short, the same people who are screaming for investigations, won't accept the results if they don't come back in their favor...

I refer you to the other thread about people not believing anything any more...

U.S. sweeping up Russian hackers in a broad global dragnet

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/national-security/article141997444.html

REP: Trumpers Will End Up In Jail

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/rep-people-will-end-up-in-jail

Uh, they couldn't do that without Presidential approval.

You sure?