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Well it's nice that you're basing it on "hope", but didn't we hope that both Gordon and Manziel would be different?

While you base your opinion on hope, I base mine on caution. We just see it from different perspectives. And that's fine.

I believe this is why the Browns met with him. To feel him out and get to know him; see who he is and where he is as a person.

If they feel that he has truly changed and grown up, and it is just a regrettable incident in his past, then why shouldn't he get a second chance?

I'm kinda thinking the same thing, but am unsure.

Mixon created all this negativity around him himself.

He absolutely created it; but he did that a while ago. The question is whether or not he has learned from it and grown up.

If he's that good then maybe we should give him that chance?

I think a person could argue that he might be the best running back in the draft.

I've grown up being told by my elders what a great player Jim Brown was. Why wouldn't I want Joe Mixon on the team?

Excellent point! We put up a statue after what that man did to women over the years and people want to get all high and mighty on Joe Mixon.

We cling to Jim Brown as a staple of what it means to be a Cleveland Brown. Give me a freaking break.

Its 2017 not 1965 ...

Things have changed a wee bit .... guess i shouldn't be shocked you haven't noticed ....

[censored] poor excuse about it being 1965. Shame on you.

Okay, here we go again. Everyone knows that I'm a short bus candidate, so please explain to me what 1965 vs. 2017 has to do with anything? Is it because you think People are more aware of women abuse now than then? Women abuse is women abuse no matter the year.

You've gone from being a good dude i disagree with to someone on the dark side after that comment ... i no longer am buying u more than 1 beer .... *LOL* ..

Really ... u guys don't know the difference between 1965 and 2017 ..

Here's a hint to you and your menZa friend ...

Pointing out the fact that 1965 and 2017 are two entirely different worlds IS NOT CONDONING WHAT JB DID ... not at all .... u and the dude i hardly ever respond to cause he's not worth my time are way off on your math here ....

STOP and THINK about some of the potential differences in these two HORROR STORIES based off the worlds they occurred in before u take what i said and make the HUGE LEAP that what i said was in anyway condoning what JB did ... here's a few hints ...

- we knew about this POS BEFORE he was on our team ... (did we even know JB hit women when he was with us or did all that come out after words ...

- the speed at witch NEWS TRAVELS and the WAY ITS COVERED ... crap back in 65 if JB murdered someone in cold blood he may or may not have been charged ... today if an athelete runs a red light ... there in jail ...

Athelete have gone from being a protected species to now being a TROPHY ARREST ....

And thats just one way things are different ..

Come on bro ... u and i disagree a lot .. but don't follow the lead of someone that does not meet the standards you set in your posts and makes ludicrous, nonsensical posts like this one ....

COME ON MAN ...

*L* .. Enjoy your day sir ...

I'm having trouble, because everything you said there favors the Mixon side of the discussion.

I know you think I'm being a jerk, but really I'm not. I DON'T KNOW what the difference is in the years, thats why I asked.
I understand your reasoning and am ok with that. Now I have to wonder who's gonna dress me when I get up in the morning
I know I'm slow but I'm not that slow.

Diam, nothing would give me more pleasure than you buying me a beer. BUT I have to warn you....It's been at least 15 years since I've had me a taste of beer. So I would NOT buy me anything over one beer.

I don't drink liquor ... if u drink wine or the hard stuff I'll buy you one of those ... maybe even a few more depending on how your acting that day ... *L* ..

I don't think your being a jerk ... you've got a great tude and handle this place better than most ...

Will be back later to help u out with the fact your a youngin and didn't live through this like my old ass ...

The difference from when Jim Brown hit women and from when Joe Mixon did it is that back then people tried not to talk about it and hide it under the rug or they flat out accepted a man had the right to do it(among some circles). IN this era it's glorified for gangsta lifestyle as they treat women like garbage and whores to the flip side of the coin where everyone else is horrified and disgusted by it.

It's not that it was less evil when Jim Brown did it but that is was more accepted or at the least tolerated than it is now among the working class. Non working class poor are just as likely today to abuse women due to the high tensions and anger of just trying to survive that women and men both strike out more against each other in anger and frustration. Since they are poor then chances are they grew up in a single parent home where they only watched temporary men who were abusive because they knew they weren't sticking around anyways. That's their role models so that is what they view as normal. When you don't care about the family as a unit then you allow what makes society succeed fail too. It's just a vicious and ugly cycle.

The Jim Brown statue was put up last year.

Which was not 1965.

I'm pretty much done in this thread because it's obvious the gain of a good RB causes the incident to get minimized.

Let's try a different angle... how would you view the incident if the woman were your mother, sister, cousin or close friend?

Here's another angle, one which I have a lot of problems with doing, especially in cases like these. How, as a society can we believe in crime and punishment, and forgiveness, when the crime is so horrid? Mike Vick spent a year? in prison and was very apologetic afterwards. Joe Mixon served 100 hours of community service, went to counseling and got a 1 year deferred sentence. But just last year he had another threatening encounter with a female. Here's the report:

http://kfor.com/2016/11/04/documents-detail-altercation-between-ous-joe-mixon-and-parking-attendant/

He inched at the female parking attendant with his car after throwing the ticket into her face. Then continued to park in the same spot.

I'd pass on Joe Mixon. He's not worth the headache's he may cause. We've had enough of that already. There are other RB's we can draft if we feel we need another one. JMO

I agree. But how deep do you think he slides until someone snaps him up as a "value pick?" Someone will.

Think we ca do as well or close to it in this draft. Football not social werk. If we take him, he has a bunch to prove. Nothing should allow or permit what he did.

Is Mixon better than Crowell?

Funny thing is, I don't remember Crow beating anyone. And he wasn't drafted.

Makes me wonder if he'll even be drafted at all.

But, if the powers in Berea feel he's as good or even better than Crow and has learned his lesson (not sure how to qualify that) then pick him up as a UDFA if he's still there.

I dont think Mixon goes until the 3rd just because there are so many talented running backs.

anyway, Millions just magnifies who you really are. We saw it with Manziel. I just see the smirk on this kids face when he says he has changed and I keep thinking he will be out of the league in 4.

If we take him, I can understand that Hue feels he can make a difference in this young man's life but in the same breath, I wont blame the Browns a bit for taking another path as this RB class is just loaded.

Mixon is currently an undervalued asset. I don't know how it works in football, but in baseball teams always try and swoop on those guys pretty quick.

If Mixon, who is arguably the top back in the draft, is there in round three, then I won't be surprised if he is on our team.

He was my #1 back in this draft and a top 10 talent without the incident. This guy may have the 2nd best set of hands in this draft behind Mike Williams. He has better vision than any back in this draft and he doesnt go down at first contact.

No matter which way they go, I can live with it in this situation.

Creow also had off field issues. He failed drug tests, and had 3 (IIRC) gun charges against him while he was in school. Some said he was the best runner in the draft. He wound up being an UDFA,

Mixon is probably the best RB in this draft. However, he would likely enter the league with strike one in the domestic violence program. He would be subject to more than the 6 game suspension the NFL mandates in cases of domestic violence, if he committed another such violent act again. A 2nd such incident would result in a lifetime ban. (with a possibility of reinstatement after 1 year .... but we see how that kind of thing can work with Josh Gordon with a similar program.

I don't think that a team is going to invest anything more than a late round pick on a guy like Mixon. One more
violent incident and he's gone for at least 6 games, probably more, and a 2nd incident completely blows up your investment.


NFL implements domestic violence penalties
http://www.espn.com/espnw/news-commentar...lence-penalties

The Chiefs drafted Tyreek Hill in the fifth round and he was a complete wildcard. He beat his pregnant girlfriend. Someone is taking Mixon high (first three rounds).

We'll see.

I tend to agree, I think he'll come off the board no later than the end of the 3rd.

He should. There comes a point where teams can say they want to punish him, but how long to you want to wait? Somebody is going to take him and they are going to get a darn good back.

j/c:

A few points:

--How did Mixon become the "best back in the draft" after all the games were played? No one said that during the season.

--Why bring up Jim Brown? Do two wrongs make a right? What a lame ass excuse.

--Do we really need a RB?

--Do we really need another poor character guy on this team?

--It galls me that a guy who committed an atrocious act is getting defended more than Myles Garrett is. LOL.........only on this board.

--Yet another person mentioned that the girl shoved him first. How many times does this need answered? They were outside arguing. He was stalking her. She was w/a gay friend [tab said that she was...what was the word...LOL.......propositioning herself to him........well, he was gay and she knew it..LOL] They went inside to get away from Mixon who was hurling gay insults at the little dude. Mixon follows them in and you can see the little, gay dude cowering in fear. The girl had enough and pushed him. As in..........."Enough, you freaking bully!" He throws a huge overhand right at her face. I mean.....it wasn't a push. It wasn't a jab. It wasn't a hook. It was a full-motion overhand haymaker directed at her face.

Are you kidding me?!?!

This same guy threatened a female parking attendant w/his car and tore the parking ticket up and threw it in her face and proceeded to park in the same restricted space.

Yet, more people than not are defending this piece of crap!!!

"Son, you will never see a running back as good as Jim Brown."

"Nephew, Jim Brown is the perfect person to mentor our young players."

"Son, I can't believe the Browns are distancing themselves from their greatest player."

"Nephew, the players can identify with Jim Brown. He is the perfect person to mentor our young players."

"Son, you couldn't find a more worthy person to have a statue erected in their honor."

If there were cameras every where 30-50 years ago I'd have to sit here and read how the greatest players in NFL history were undraftable.

That's right! The cameras are the problem! The man breaking the woman's face is not the problem! It's the cameras!

Just sayin'.

College/NFL players aren't saints.

And neither are we.

The "everybody does it" defense.

No one is claiming they are all saints. No one is claiming they are a saint. I don't want to speak for everyone, but I think we just want people to not break other people's faces especially if the face that is being broken is a woman.

I get confused a lot these days .. So Ray Rice is a piece of blank , but drafting this Kid is alright ?

This is nowhere near being close to an accurate statement.

Thanks for Clearing that up for me. I stand by my initial thought and that is to not take him with a pick (unless it's the last pick we have) and then try to get him as an UDFA.

We have been pretty lucky with Crow however. To my knowledge, he hasn't had any issues while with the team so far.