DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Jamar Taylor most improved cornerback of 2016 (PFF)

29 is pretty old for a corner. There are not too many great 29 year olds in the league at all at non-QB positions.

Yeah, usually OL and obviously Kickers can play a little longer. WR, DB, RB, LB ... tough

Now there's an idea. Can Sherman cover enough ground to play FS?

I was thinking about Haden. This would be a great draft to double up on starting caliber CBs and move Joe to one of the safety spots.

I seriously doubt we do it, but I wouldn't be opposed to the idea.

we've said for a while now to try haden at safety (he'd be penalized less as well)

Haden at FS at some point down the road sounds good to me. He's a fairly sure tackler (and doesn't seem to mind the contact) and still has some speed, just not the top-end type speed.

Dunno about Sherman, but I do know that we wouldn't be paying the price to bring him in here with plans to move him to safety.

It depends on what they're offering us to take him.
A 2nd would be nice, I think.

I see this this all the time,can someone name 3 in the past 5 years?
Or 6 in the past 10 years?

I couldn't even name one, actually.

Charles Woodson
Rod Woodson
Ronde Barber
Antron Rolle
Walter Thurmond
...to name a few.

Oh, Ronnie Lott and Champ Bailey I believe...

Deangelo Hall is the most significant current example i think.

Champ Bailey never actually played safety.

yeah, it's happened with good players. especially smart/instinct guys

I don't know. I'm down to still have Haden put his hands on a WR and run with him. He's not that old yet.

I don't think Haden is big enough to play safety, but what do I know?

Thanks for the info.

i'd seen that posted many times,and I really didn't buy into it,as I could only come up a coupla names.
Now I'm a believer.

Haden is not a safety.

Haden certainly has the size and speed to play FS.

Haden has been playing with a groin injury. If you follow me here, you know I'm pretty hard on him due to his decline in play and ability to stay on the field, healthy. But yeah, the fact he played corner at all with a groin injury, love or hate the man - give him some credit.

It's been said many times, but we let QBs stay comfortable throughout the game. No pressure, nice pocket and ample time to pick our secondary apart. Hopefully with Collins extended, Ogbah and perhaps even Nassib stepping up and of course Garrett once we draft him pair up with Danny, we could very well find ways to get that pressure. Wouldn't it be great to see free runners getting hits on QBs? Leveling them. Seeing them throw up ducks that our secondary turns into INTs or whatever. I think so lol...

I agree LB. Pressure is paramount in the NFL. It can change everything. I kinda do feel bad for our DBs because they're literally on an island

IN a best case scenario Hadden regains even a little of his former ability and form - and we get pressure through scheme (Williams) and talent (Garrett/Collins + any other additions).... He does not need to be at his Pro-bowl level form to be good enough to be a good starter. Whether it's because of his contract or not I don't really care - he does seem to be a good team mate.

I think it's a fair bet to say that with an injection of talent and Gregg Williams calling the shots, this will no longer be the case.

I hope, although I've hoped that before

Certainly, we all have. However, we've never had Williams before. We're going to see difference.

I remember game one of having Dick Jouran.

The defense was FLYING all over the field. DQ had a pick in that game I think.

Sadly that was also the first game of Branden Weeden.

I've lost track of how many different D-Coords we've brought in that we've seen this said about.

We need talent across the board, and we need that talent to stay healthy because we don't have talented depth. Once we have this, most ANY scheme will look better than what we've had.

I don't care what we've done before. None of it worked. And I certainly don't believe past hirings are any indication of future results. I do feel certain that Gregg Williams will be a difference maker. I will bet on it.

Completely agree with this entire post. I think Haden, after the successful groin surgery, will come out this year and show the fans he can still be productive.

Like you said, he doesn't have to fully revert to how he was playing during his pro bowl season and etc to still be a solid starter.

if Haden can get back to form, it helps tremendously

That's all well and good, but the point is that it's all just hyperbole until he's actually accomplished something here, because just as what we've had before doesn't matter, what he's done before doesn't matter.
Square Zero.

That is all true but when was the last time Browns hired coordinators who coached and won a super bowl? I believe they have three Williams, Saunders, and Wilson.

While coaching is very important, that coaching needs the talent to get the job done. Depending on how the draft pans out, we may be close to having that talent.

And those guys did it with different players on different teams playing a completely different set of players and a different schedule, and ALL of it in the past.

It's not apples-to-apples. There are a LOT of variables there.
The things these guys have done got them this job -- the things they do going forward is what will determine if I'm happy/excited for them to be here. I'm not going to look at a name and predict "we're gonna be better", because you just can't do that. You can hope. You can maybe even lay out arguments on paper for it.... but, in the end, until they do it, there is nothing to back it up, and if they actually do it, they won't have done it by themselves.

I don't disagree. We seen worst! I am nearly pointing out effort was made hiring coaches who proved they were capable. If FO cannot supply worthy talent...well we seen that way to frequent!!

Sorry, Purp, I have to disagree here. What we've had before doesn't matter because it has absolutely nothing to do with what we're doing now. What Williams has done before has everything to do with what he'll be doing here. I don't disagree that we need an infusion of talent, but I do believe we will see a difference in how well the talent we already have plays moving forward. A big difference, IMHO.

The key is to have some patience. The quote you responded to doesn't seem to take into account that regardless of who is the DC it's going to take some time. No one on our roster nor anyone we draft has any experience with Williams. So far everything and everybody is new to this.

Sure, Williams is known for an attacking defense but that's not going have a huge effect game one. It'll take the first eight games for our guys to even begin to get comfortable with it. By the end of the season they may be really getting it but it will be the middle of next season and beyond before we see a major difference in our defenses effectiveness.

Too many times we put too much stock in newly drafted players to have a big impact, same with newly hired coaches. If we have a really strong defensive draft that will raise our talent level but it will do nothing for our experience level in Williams' scheme.

Just like the OL with the new players, it will take half a year for them to even begin to gel together. The real dividends, if there are to be any, won't be seen until the next season.

Sure we should see some defensive improvement early. Likely it will look faster and more aggressive than it really is. It will take time.

Let's don't get our hopes up too high.

j/c

It seems to me we tend to judge rookies too harshly. Many times players look better in their 2nd year than they did as rookies; Kirksey and Shelton come readily to mind. Taylor isn't quite in that category, but if I recall correctly, how Cleveland uses him is different from how Miami used him. We should probably hold off on final judgments of players like Coleman(x2), Boddy, Kindred, et al to see how they perform in their 2nd year.

Nope, sorry you're flat-out crazy. They couldn't make the Pro Bowl as rookies, so they need to be replaced ASAP.

your right cut john elway and troy aikman