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How can anyone justify drafting a QB with 13 College starts at #1 .. Look I like Trib but there is no rational for that !

the only way I'll "accept" our decision is if we get a ton of picks in order to move out of #1. If we don't think Garrett is a franchise pass rusher, fine. But then get a boatload of assets in return.

If we simply draft Trubisky at #1 I'll be angry. To the point I may just give up

realistically, which teams in the top 10 would want to move up to #1? And what would we accept in return?

I think a lot of teams would want Garrett.

I think that's a very likely possibility.

Good post mac, and I agree.

Who?

I know his college coach. Billy Joe Jim Bob, or whoever, said as much. Pretty much said the same things about Watson as he did about Tajh Boyd when he came out.

But who else is in this "large number"?

I think all 31 would, but would they want him THAT badly? like to give up what it would cost?

They can accumulate picks from now until doomsday but if you NEVER select any impactful football players their doomsday and this franchises as well will be nigh...

Thanks for sharing ... Good read from a pro ....

Not even a little surprised if Sashi and Hue clash on what to spend on a QB .... QB's NEVER fit well into moneyball or analytics ... hopefully I'm wrong here and Sashi gives in ... there's proof from FA he is willing to do that ... NO WAY Zietler or Trottier made moneyball or analytical sense ... NO WAY .... thats a good sign ... U can also throw the offers to the safeties that were the best out there and the offer to Pryor witch we think was the best out there ....

Those are GREAT SIGNS .... now we just gotta pray they can evaluate talent ...

Or they know it is impossible to properly value offensive linemen coming out of college and wanted to sign known entities.

It's not about "giving in" to one side. It's about being on the same damn page, which may actually be working here in Cleveland for once. I agree the Zietler deal isn't much an analytical one, and more of what Hue knows from his time in Cincy-- that, and he is a damn good guard. Trotter, I don't know.

The Osweiler deal was a deal that falls more in in line with the FO approach.

What an interesting thought.....coaches and FO working together during FA. Or even better, analytics, as to quote Podesta, Sashi (or both), "a tool" to complement the football people and their decision process. No one "giving in", just on the same page....hopefully.

I don't want my house destroyed, please don't pick Trub. I beg you Brown's front office.

IMO, the Tretter deal probably was analytical ... I mean, it was a gamble due to his health, but he's young, versatile, and has not reached his potential. If he works out, it's a great deal.

Plus, we knew getting OL in FA is the best approach. They're known quantities and this year's draft is heavy in DB and pass rush .. we'll go heavy there

Based on Mike Greenberg, who is diehard NYJ fan ... he said they'd take Trubisky if he's there. So we'd have to probably get in front of them to be safe

I really do think a trade up for Trubisky is in the cards. I think the team could be Tennessee just in case the Browns think NYJ likes someone.

I don't see the Bengals trading with Cleveland to potentially hand them over a possible franchise QB. But, you never know.

If you are trading pack into the top five to take Trubisky, you should just take him at #1.

Yeah, trading up for Trub is dumb IMO. In fact, I wouldn't take him at 12, nor would I take Watson, Mahomes, Webb, etc. I don't like any of the QBs. I want to take the best play maker at 1, 12, 33, etc. Just load up our talent

Agreed. Don't see Trub getting past the Jets at six, so it would have to me the Titans, IMO.

Just the idea smacks of desperation, and while we may be desperate, it's not the time to act desperately.

This is when I'm glad we have someone like DePodesta in the front office. It's all about process with him, there is no desperation. Try to make the correct decision every time and don't let the noise affect you.

the idea of staying at 1, passing on Garrett, and taking Trubisky makes me ill

Why is this your opinion?

I mean, if they view him as the answer at QB. Sure shot, franchise guy ... then you take him at #1 and don't risk anything. What if you trade back to #4 and the Jets jump you? Or trade back to #3 and the Bills jump you?

IMO, you don't trade back to take Trub (or any QB)

I don't think this is necessarily true. I think the Browns brass could think there is a legit chance they can land both. I think it's is easier to draft Garrett #1 and then trade for Trubisky than to draft Trubisky and trade up for Garrett.

I think the Browns love Garrett but recognize they accumulated enough assets to move up still and get Mitch.

Essentially, to have your cake and eat it too.

j/c:


https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/852210934777094146

Smoke and mirrors.

I don't believe anyone would dispute that statement, Memphis. However, what if they did select Trub at #1 and then traded back up, but not for Garrett, perhaps Barnett or Thomas (which would cost them less in picks)?

I'm not sure that would cost them less picks. Barnett & Thomas could easily be selected in the same range if the Browns did want to move back up.

Along the same vein....


https://twitter.com/pdomo/status/852214041741332480

yeah, it was smart to sign FA OL this year ... it's a bad, bad class

"Assuming" then that Garrett would go at #2, both Thomas and Barnett would fall a bit, perhaps in the 4-8 range. I would expect Thomas to go a (very) few spots before Barnett. Obviously it will cost more to get Garrett at #2 than the other two a few spots lower...

Browns Stun Draft -Take 5th rated QB over Consensus No 1 Pick Courtney Brown


NFL Draft Year 2000 - ROUND 1

SEL # TEAM PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 Cleveland Browns Tom Brady QB Michigan
2 Washington Redskins LaVar Arrington OLB Penn State
3 Washington Redskins Chris Samuels T Alabama
4 Cincinnati Bengals Peter Warrick WR Florida State
5 Baltimore Ravens Jamal Lewis RB Tennessee
6 Philadelphia Eagles Corey Simon DT Florida State
7 Arizona Cardinals Thomas Jones RB Virginia
8 Pittsburgh Steelers Plaxico Burress WR Michigan State
9 Chicago Bears Brian Urlacher MLB New Mexico
10 Baltimore Ravens Travis Taylor WR Florida
11 New York Giants Ron Dayne RB Wisconsin
12 New York Jets Shaun Ellis DE Tennessee
13 New York Jets John Abraham LB South Carolina
14 Green Bay Packers Bubba Franks TE Miami (Fla.)
15 Denver Broncos Deltha O'Neal CB California
16 San Francisco 49ers Julian Peterson OLB Michigan State
17 Oakland Raiders Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State
18 New York Jets Chad Pennington QB Marshall
19 Seattle Seahawks Shaun Alexander RB Alabama
20 Detroit Lions Stockar McDougle T Oklahoma
21 Kansas City Chiefs Sylvester Morris WR Jackson State
22 Seattle Seahawks Chris McIntosh T Wisconsin
23 Carolina Panthers Rashard Anderson FS Jackson State
24 San Francisco 49ers Ahmed Plummer CB Ohio State
25 Minnesota Vikings Chris Hovan DT Boston College
26 Buffalo Bills Erik Flowers DE Arizona State
27 New York Jets Anthony Becht TE West Virginia
28 Indianapolis Colts Rob Morris LB Brigham Young
29 Jacksonville Jaguars R.Jay Soward WR USC
30 Tennessee Titans Keith Bulluck LB Syracuse
31 St. Louis Rams Trung Canidate RB Arizona


What I KNOW... is that NO ONE one knows.

From Erving Goffman's Strategic Intelligence:


Browns are just trying to get people to think we're not into Garrett, but possibly their target. In the end I think we're gonna take Garrett, they just wanting to test the waters now.