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Hahaha, you caught that fast! I immediately deleted it after I tried to create a link and it didn't work for me either. I don't think he'll mind my saying so since he's mentioned it many times in the past, but tab is not teenage whiz kid with the computer so I thought he was having difficulty figuring out how to make a link. But as I said, it didn't work for me either so I deleted it. It was probably only up for a minute so kudos to you for being Johnny-on-the-spot. LOL Anyway, thanks for backing me up. LOL

" if it was any other QB in the NFL with only 6 quarters of work you'd be negative toward the player."
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Not sure what you mean by that comment?

The Osweiler comparison is not really a comparison. It only states his experience and stats.

If you want to compare the two then compare them by how they play? Form wise there is no comparison. Two different players.

When I hear comparisons of Cassel and Mallett I don't get the point other than they were backups to Brady. Add Osweiler and Garoppolo and yes they were all backups. What they did when they played has more to do with them as players.

Judging Garoppolo I am looking at his entire career in college and the pros.

I have heard numerous people like Bill Poilan and Charlie Casserly say that Garoppolo is head shoulders above any of the quarterbacks in this draft.

I don't see anyone lining up to sign Osweiler, Cassel, or Mallett.

I do hear what others in the league believe the value of Garoppolo to be.

Weird the link creator isn't working.

click here

Thanks, Purp.

Say what you will about Kessler, you have to like his attitude and work ethic. He talked about working on technique, getting rid of the ball quicker, pushing it down field, and picking up on things that veterans (Brees, Brady, Rodgers, etc) do. I'm looking forward to seeing how he's improved.

Brock Osweiler - QB - Browns

Browns EVP Sashi Brown said Wednesday that Brock Osweiler will compete for the starting job in Cleveland.

As NFL.com's Conor Orr points out, it's a pivot from previous comments coming out of Cleveland. The thinking since the Browns acquired Osweiler was that they would try to trade him for anything or simply release him and eat the contract for the Texans. Osweiler has been present for the start of voluntary workouts and, for right now, is the current No. 2 behind sophomore Cody Kessler.
Source: Conor Orr on Twitter Apr 19 - 12:25 PM

i can't help but wonder if Cody could show enough in this camp to take a jg trade and a 12 pick on a qb off the table?? there are a lot of good defensive players in this draft and using four of our top five picks on d could radically improve our defense.

I'm not sure. I think what will take these things off the table is availability. JG not being available at what the Browns see as a reasonable price, and no QB being worth the 12 or the trade up

I like Cody a lot. I've said all along, this guy won't go down quietly. Not like he's gonna make a stink about losing the job, as he's a professional and very mature. But he's going to compete and truly give his absolute best (which I mean, he is going to do everything he possibly can), just like he had to do at USC.

But Cody won't be able to prove he's gotten better at what he needs to improve the most until at least preseason . And that's taking more shots and making more plays. That was the complaint coming out of school and the complaint last year. In some ways he was too safe and left too many opportunities on the field. I don't think workouts can show improvement there. He might have gotten stronger and improved his technique, but that doesn't prove his ability to see the opportunity, be right about it, and get that ball in there in an extremely short amount of time

EDIT: Cody also needs to show the ability to pass the ball sooner (while also continuing to place the ball well so that our receivers can catch it and make a play). That is shown through his understanding of the offense in real-time and how it relates to the defense. I don't think that can be shown during voluntary work-outs. Although I expect it will. It's gotta, or he will continue getting killed.

From my impression of the interview, it's not like he made any commitment to Brock. He didn't speak much about him at all. He didn't market this guy up or anything

try this

I'd say no. He could light it up, complete every pass, throw for fifty TDs, and complete a bomb every third play and there's no way they're still not thinking QB next week.

I dunno, they def brought in plenty of offensive players for workouts

On Gabe Gabriel's twitter, it mentioned the Browns being higher on Dobbs than Webb at the Senior Bowl. On my phone b/w classes at the moment, but I'll track down the link later this evening.

Now it's on you. Thanks

I didn't say anything.

Everyone should have the bbcode memorized by now...

Man, you really screwed up this time. LOL!

Dude, I'm only having fun with ya. I certainly don't mean to offend you. You were having a bit of fun with me in that, "The More You Know", post and now it has backfired and you look like the guy who wrecked those instructions. (I tried to delete 'em quick).

So what you're saying is that ThatGuy is... well... "That Guy"?? lol

Yup. lol

1) After Sashi's last answer yesterday, I believe that the JG trade, if it ever was a possibility, is off the table.

2) Drafting Trubisky with the #12 pick is popular in the mocks. Some have talked about a trade up from #12 to ensure the pick, but I don't see that happening. It all depends on who's there. (I could even see them drafting someone else even with Trubisky there, and trading up from #33 to get him. This is a very low probability, but within the realm of possibility.)

3) If they miss on Trubisky, I think Mahomes is in play at #33. I could see a trade up from #33 for a couple of reasons. First, it's not as expensive a move than up from #12, second they can get him on a 1st round contract, and third because he has been linked to Houston who needs a QB at #25.

4) If they miss on Trubisky and Mahomes, I think they view Webb as a late option (the last name Sashi mentioned when he listed QB's they liked).

5) Go with Kessler/Osweiler/Hogan and try again next year.

I can see a trade up from #12 for Trub. Maybe not to #3, but possibly #5. Depends on how much they love him, which there's no way to know until it happens. Downplaying interest is certainly no indicator.

The key phrase there, "Depends on how much they love him." I get the feeling it's more of a best option thing than a love thing. But you're right, if the love him, they could trade up. I just don't think it likely.

I think if we do actually trade up from 12, it won't be for a QB.

Which means we probably won't trade up.

I'm thinking the possibility is very slim. But, if we did, then I wouldn't be shocked if we don't call a QB's name.

I'm already prepped for Kessler as opening starter.

6 reasons Joshua Dobbs is the 2017 NFL draft’s best sleeper QB pick

We never really knew what to make of him in college, but step back and look at the full picture.
by Jason Kirk Apr 20, 2017, 8:53am EDT

Joshua Dobbs had a strange career with the Tennessee Volunteers. He gave up on two straight redshirt seasons in order to take over as starter as both a freshman and sophomore. As a junior, the QB with the big arm commanded an offense designed to dink-and-dunk its way to three-point leads it’d then squander. His final year, the offense finally evolved, but the roster collapsed.

Along the way, he wildly fluctuated between overrated and underrated. With some perspective, I think he’s ended up underappreciated.

1. Among QBs likely to be picked, he’s probably the best all-around athlete.

“He might be one of the better deep-ball passers in football based on his 47.7 percent completion rate and 14 touchdowns on passes of 21 yards or more,” NFL.com’s Bucky Brooks wrote, and Dobbs is also known for a quick release.

At the combine, his 4.64 40 was second among all QBs. He topped the three-cone and posted top-three numbers in both jump drills, albeit at a lean 6’3, 216. He also led this QB class in yards per carry and led the Vols in rushing while having one of the most productive throwing seasons in Tennessee history.

2. He might be the smartest player in the whole draft, as you’ve heard a million times.

College fans are tired of hearing about his academic work as a literal rocket scientist, but it’s hard to worry about him grasping a pro playbook.

“My senior year, I was taking astronautics, propulsion, and an aerodynamics class, all on the same day,” he told SI. “At the same time as football season, when I was leading an SEC team. I think I can handle it.”

3. He was great at avoiding INTs ... in 2015.

In 2016, he threw a pick every 29.75 attempts, a bit worse than the already worrying averages by top prospects Deshaun Watson (35.7) and DeShone Kizer (36.6). Consistent accuracy is Dobbs’ No. 1 needed improvement.

But in 2015, he had one of the nation’s best ratios, averaging 68.8 attempts per INT. So he’s got it in him to pass to the right team! More on 2016 in a second.

More troubling overall is his pattern of fumbles, considering his relatively small hands, though all running QBs fumble. In 2015, he had only one more fumble than Dak Prescott, for whatever that’s worth.

4. Speaking of 2016, consider the context of Tennessee’s season.

The Vols had a cascade of injuries and in-season transfers.

Dobbs lost four offensive linemen for multiple games each, and his most talented weapon, potential first-round RB Alvin Kamara, was banged up. At one point, virtually the entire running game was on the shoulders of Dobbs and sophomore third-stringer John Kelly.

A depleted defense gave up 31-plus points five times in October/November, forcing UT to win shootouts and wasting Dobbs’ 31-of-34, 516-total-yards, four-total-touchdowns day against a decent Vanderbilt defense.

Tennessee was also in its second and last year under Mike DeBord, one of college football’s least-renowned major OCs. DeBord’s offense was often agonizingly conservative despite having a strong-armed QB, lots of tall receivers, and Kamara. DeBord was also Dobbs’ position coach.

5. Overall, Dobbs was clutch as a senior.

The Vols started as 2016’s mystically good crunch-time team, BSing their way to 5-0 via wild luck, which then caught up with them in a hurry. That’s a fair way of looking at it.

Also fair:

a) Dobbs led all of this year’s draft prospects in 2016 second half passer rating.
b) His fourth quarter rating ranked No. 1 among all FBS QBs with 50 or more such attempts.
c) In the second half against Florida, he led four straight quick TD drives within eight minutes of game clock to secure UT’s first win over the Gators since 2004.
d) His four second-half TDs in the win over Georgia included a Hail Mary at the buzzer, countering UGA’s own long bomb from seconds earlier.
e) Two late INTs hurt at Texas A&M, but it was a big overall second half by Dobbs and Kamara that turned a 28-7 third-quarter deficit into double overtime.
f) He had the fifth-best under-pressure rating in the country, per Pro Football Focus.
SEC Network

And after a midseason slump that involved injuries, Bama, injuries against Bama, and post-Bama injuries, the Vols closed strong.

Out of necessity, Tennessee unleashed the offense it should have had all along, and Dobbs posted a sampling of Heisman-level numbers: 92-of-124 (74 percent) for 1,260 yards, 12 touchdowns, and one interception (passer rating: 189.9), plus 49 carries for 511 yards and seven more scores.

Tennessee averaged 29.3 points per game in its first eight contests, then averaged 47.8 in its last five. No, there weren't elite defenses on the slate in that stretch, but Dobbs was damn-near perfect.

6. Bama was only part of it. He faced much tougher schedules than most QBs do.

He’s had to play Alabama four times (this is awkward half-praise, but UT’s only kept it within two scores against Bama three times since 2006; two of those were under Dobbs), Florida’s remained elite on defense, the SEC East has raw talent (and little else, sure), and the Vols have played tough overall non-cons the last two years.

I’m not saying he’s a first-round NFL draft QB, but he’s not far behind some potential day one picks.

I’m high on Watson (as most college fans are), but this is a weak QB group overall. Dobbs in the first couple rounds would be a big risk, though that goes for this entire group.

He’s being projected as late as the sixth round, but I’m not smart enough to see a potential five-round gap between him and, say, Kizer.

I haven't watched him play, so I can't speak to his on field play, but I flat out hated what I saw when he threw at the combine.

I found it odd that this was pointed out:



Maybe that explains this:



But that hardly makes me feel good about this:



I do not want an interception machine. That the writer is high on both he and Watson isn't reassuring. So who is Dobbs really?

I don't think anyone would project him to go any earlier than round 4, maybe 5.

fortunately, I don't believe the browns are high on either Watson nor Dobbs. I believe they would actually take Kizer over Watson at this point but the real debate is between Mahomes and Trubisky.

I think these are our best QB options:

1. JG with 2 second round picks.
2. Nate Peterman with a 3rd round pick
3. Joshua Dobbs with a fourth
4. Mahomes in the late first
5. Trubisky at 12

You would seriously rather have Dobbs in the fourth than either Trubisky or Mahomes? (Taking them where you have them is probably the only chance we'd have at getting either, barring trades.)

Our options appear to be Trubisky or Mahomes at 12 or Kizer/Webb at 33. I don't believe we are interested in Watson at all. Accuracy and lack of an arm are the issues there.

A couple general statements on articles pimping QBs (keep in mind, QB guru I am NOT)...

1. Whenever the author throws out combine stats like 3-cone drill, jump, and even 40 within the first couple points of why we should pick him, it probably means we shouldn't pick him.

2. "His #1 area of improvement is consistent accuracy on throws" (paraphrasing). Isn't this like catching the ball for a WR? If he struggles with this, then really... what's the point?

Much like Kessler was available at #93 last year.