DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2017 NFL Season 2017 NFL Draft Browns pick Jabrill Peppers with the 25th pick

5'11'' safety covering 6'4'' TE's? He will tackle the TE for a 1st down, that's for sure.

In Hue and Sashi's presser, they expressed that same point. Williams with history of those types of players and etc.

One thing is for sure, Jabrill is in a good opportunity with Greg and untapping and getting the most out of his potential, skill-set and etc.

I just listened to his conference call, the kid is bursting with excitement. Bursting.

Because he is very far from being a Troy P. kind of player. Troy was all about instincts, even in college, one of his problems was to over trust his instincts and disrupt the D. Troy was a very intelligent player, quite the opposite of Peppers.

The draw on Peppers is the lack of instincts and lack of football intelligence....

In a capsule, think of a dumb Troy P. Running around in the field like a "chicken"... That's Peppers...

Maybe a more athletic "dumber" TJ Ward, would be a better comparison

Peppers problem was he tried to do too much and was pry gassed most of the time. Once he focuses on one position and dedicates 100% to one spot rather than 30% over three spots he will be better than most think. You people complain about everything no matter what. Be glad we didn't reach for a crappy qb and let's play some ball!!!

I call BS. That is exactly who he is compared to. It is why Pitt was hot for him.

"COMPARES TO: Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh Steelers (retired) -- Few players can match Polamalu's instincts, improvisation and flair for the dramatic but Peppers is close. He will occasionally frustrate with his over-aggressive style of play but like Polamalu, Peppers will make more big plays than he will ever surrender."

Love the pick and the player...

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS Athletic and fluid in space with desired change of direction talent. Moves with the changing flow of a play. Willing to sacrifice body to honor contain against run. Jack of all trades. Can play slot, safety or linebacker in sub-packages in any given game. Won't hesitate to race downhill once he diagnoses run. Hits with as much force as he can muster. Has big closing burst. Runs plays down from sideline to sideline. Able to knife into gaps and make tackles for losses or disrupt runs. Has man cover talent and is physical enough to handle most tight ends. Has enough quickness to match receivers. Aggressively re-routes receivers. Capable blitzer who buzzes in from all angles. Electric return man with ability to charge up crowd and his own sideline with big kick or punt return. Has experience carrying and catching the ball and as wildcat quarterback. Could offer red-zone flexibility on offense.

WEAKNESSES
Scouts question his instincts and lack of ball production. Has just one interception and 10 passes defensed at Michigan. Slow to recognize construct of play and can be found playing through a straw at times. Needs better recognition and anticipation to become an improvising play-maker. Doesn't always trust his feet in coverage and will maul at the top of the route. Just a guy when asked to play deep safety. Slow to read and range until ball is in the air. Can be overzealous against play-action and drawn below his deep ball responsibilities. Too small for take-on duties at linebacker. Leads into tackles with ducked head. Opts to hit rather than wrap-up.


SOURCES TELL US "These comparisons to Charles Woodson are nuts. Both are really good return men, but Woody is one of the greatest playmakers of all-time. Peppers has one interception and I don't think he's ever forced a fumble. Michigan might move him around too much. He will really improve when he can lock in and learn a position." -- AFC Director of Scouting

NFL COMPARISON Eric Weddle

Gee. Being compared to Weddle and Polamalu is such a bad thing.

Not sure Peppers has the range Troy did

j/c:



https://twitter.com/JabrillPeppers/status/857963939610734592

Click to see the video.

Those dance moves are...

I would take an Eric Weddle type player ...

Link

"Sweet fancy Moses"

My comparison is to TJ ward, or a small Ray Maualuga, not a bad thing but not 1st round pick, and not in a team so lacking of intelligent football players.

Intelligence to me is a requirment in the safety/ILB position, not an option.

Youtube-Uninterrupted-Draft Diary-Jabrill Peppers

There is a link to a few videos with Jabrill. I'd embed them, but there is some language.

I can see how the "thermostat" thing could appeal to us.

LMAO

Are you questioning his intelligence, because Harbaugh feels differently than you, if so.
Quote:
Harbaugh said he's come across only two players with the ability to absorb and apply football knowledge quickly and at the highest level: Peppers and Indianapolis Colts quarterback Luck, whom he coached and developed at Stanford. Harbaugh said that -- despite the fact that Peppers, listed as a linebacker, has played virtually every position on the field except for the offensive line and defensive line interior -- there's no need to simplify things for him:

"No, I don't have to keep it simple. He proved that last year. I've seen very few athletes with the ability that when you show it to them on the white board or show him a clip, he will go right out to the practice field and do it better than anyone on the team. He's one of those rare guys.

Good is good, he's a BROWN now- helps in lots of areas-GO Browns!!!

Personally I love the pick. Not too many months ago Peppers was talked about as a potential top ten talent.

Can't deny he's physically gifted and has a ton of heart. I'm excited he's here.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/01/a_gregg_williams_defense_5_thi.html

I re-read the article and compared it to what Harbaugh was saying about Peppers. The rationality behind the pick then made sense to me.

I still don't like the pick necessarily, but I can understand more now as to why they drafted him.

Wanna have 10 minutes of fun? Check out Peppers HS highlight reel:

Link

Just clicking -

Not happy with the pick, but not devastated either. I mentioned before the draft I had no interest in him.

He's a Brown, so he's one of "my guys." Hope to see why the hype. Hope I have to admit I was wrong.

We get it, you wanted Hooker.

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/858035297258491904

Especially for a guy who actually WANTED to add some weight to his stat sheet to meet the cookie cutter NFL standards.

I watched the Peppers in Cleveland video, and danggggggggggg is Chris Tabor pumped up for Jabrill. I do think he'll excel BIG TIME on special teams, but still I'm not seeing much else from Peppers.

But one thing is for sure, Chris Tabor seemed like the little kid that got everything he wanted on Xmas.

Hue looked pleased too.

For those that are trying to figure out what a Mark Barron type role is, do a Google search for "Moneybacker" , "Will Safety"(That's what Barron calls himself) or "Dime LB".

The nickle defense will be basically our base defense followed closely by the dime.

Williams mantra is basically Peppers job description. "See ball, find ball get ball." He will be expected to get a huge amount of tackles and a bunch of tackles for loss.

While he will be expected to cover RB's and TE's out of the backfield, his coverage responsibilities are the secondary part of his job. Check Mark Barron's PFF coverage grades. They aren't very good. There will usually be 4 or 5 other DB's on the field with greater coverage responsibility. He is just expected to be better than most LB's in coverage.

The downside of trading size for speed like this is that a power running team with a big back can wear you out. I would expect him to play less against teams like this.

I am less concerned about Peppers having the ability to do what Williams wants and more concerned whether we have the DB's behind him that will allow him to do it.

Intelligent and informative post.

It's almost as if we should have drafted some DBs behind him to allow him to not be a liability.

You proved my point about how we view a player. He is more athletic than Palamaulu IMO. His instincts might be a little behind at this point but he is a rookie but that in no way takes away or adds to ones athletic ability. I would have to say from what I have seen and studied what scouts have said is contrary to what you say. As far as Intelligence...that is his STRONG suit. Again....this proves my point.

I didn't like Peppers before the draft and said so many times. I'm not going to start pretending that he is a good player just because we drafted him.

I do think he will flash and many fans will love the guy. However, I think he is very limited in terms of coverage and will be a liability in that area.

Like clevesteve, I don't get our not picking up a couple DBs and/or picking a CB or a certain FS high.

Picking Peppers is sort of the cherry on top of that complaint.

I believe we will be a primary 4-2-5 with a run to the ball philosophy. We wont really see a lot of 1 deep FS roles but more of a right side safety/left side safety quarters role.

I'm not sure what we'll be, but I am interested in seeing what Williams cooks up.

They must have some role in mind for Peppers, but I don't really think it's the same as Barron. I've heard Alexander's name mentioned a few times and he might end up in more of that spot.

Hue called Peppers a SS, and I thought I heard that someone from the Browns used a Blaine Bishop comp.

Peppers is a bit of an unknown because of the way Harbaugh used him. What I do know is the guy is a football player that plays with heart and intensity no matter what he is asked to do. On that front, scUM made him do all kinds of things that never let him really develop one solid positional skillset. Instead of complaining about it affecting his draft stock he just said ok and did whatever to help the team.

We need players like that. I am a DIEHARD Buckeye, but I have always respected this kids game. We got a good player here. Maybe not an All-Pro Safety or LB, but a player who loves the game and will do anything to help his team win. I love the pick. We need players like this on our young team.

They traded for a 1st next year, which will absolutely not be better than 12. Traded 12 for like 26, idiotic and sent them a 4th. ugh