DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2017 NFL Season 2017 NFL Draft Browns pick Myles Garrett with the first overall pick

I am thankful that we not only picked the BPA but we got the best player in the 2017 draft and we didn't pass on him, I am looking forward to watching him sack many QB's ...

We had a choice of Hooker or OJ Howard, after Mahomes and Trubisky were off the board. And traded back for a 2018 first and SS Peppers and TE Njoku.

Two for one and one more roll of the dice.

The logic is sound, because even if only one works out, we cant lose in that scenario imo.

I thought we traded up for Njoku?

Correct, but we made that happen, because we gained the extra 1st round pick. Albeit a future investment of higher value.

Huh? We made the Njoku happen because we traded a 4th round pick and our 33rd to move up to 29..........

We could have done that with or without Peppers.


We traded our 12 for a 2018 First and Jabril Peppers. That's it

I'm not trying to be difficult and perhaps I am dense, but I ain't following....

I think semantics is the problem here.

We didn't trade #12 FOR a first and Peppers.

We traded 12 for two 1sts. And used one of them to select Peppers.

There's a difference.

I don't know if it semantics or me just being ignorant, but I don't get this comment and that is what I responded to:




How did we get Njoku by trading back?

I thought we traded up to get him?

I'm with you, semantics could be the Traded back for the 2018 Texans First and Peppers.

But Traded back for 2018 Texans First, Peppers, and Njoku makes no sense at all

I agree. At the time they made the trade, there was no way to know who would be available at #25. They traded for a #2018 first, and #25, which they then used to take Peppers. I had an argument with another fan on FB who kept saying they took Peppers over Hooker, as if it were a straight up choice at a single moment in time.

Vers, I was speaking in macro terms.

Our net loss and gains in terms of numbers of selections was 0. The value of our total number of selections was imo a plus.

I am not laminating the loss of 33, & 108, because we added the 1st in 2018 and 29.

We still ended up with arguably a top 3 Safety and a top 3 (#2 true TE) TE.

I know your position on Peppers already, but I don't think that there is much if any separation in terms of talent from OJ and Njoku.

I agree that Peppers was their target after Mahomes went off the board at 10.

I think that they must have already had discussions with Houston prior to the Draft and Houston liked Watson.

My guess is that if Peppers was taken off the board before 25, then we would have taken Njoku there. I believe that both players where a target of ours.

Im not going to Judge the Peppers selection until I see their plan for him.

Njoku I thought was a top 15 prospect.

The facts are that we had two 1st going in to the Draft and ended up with 3 1st and a future 1st.

Myles Garrett’s unexpected critique from Bruce Smith drives him to be even better

Hours before the Browns made him the No. 1 pick, Myles Garrett sat down with Hall of Fame pass rusher Bruce Smith to break down game film of his career at Texas A&M.

Just a normal Thursday, right?

What followed was even more abnormal for Garrett.

Smith, who racked up 200 sacks over 19 seasons in the NFL, delivered a frank assessment of Garrett’s game. The former Texas A&M star has been lauded for his unique athleticism and produced from Day 1 in College Station, but Smith didn’t hesitate to point out the areas where Garrett could improve.

“He said I was slow off the ball,” Garrett said before Saturday’s minicamp practice. “But that’s coming from the very best. He’s just trying to teach me the tricks that I can get off the ball faster and do it even better. If I learn that and keep on practicing at it, I can perform at a high level.”

The film that elicited Smith’s critique was Texas A&M’s season opener against UCLA. In a game the Aggies won, Garrett had three tackles, including a sack and another tackle for loss, and two quarterback hurries.

A reporter Saturday said he thought Garrett played pretty well in that game.

“I thought so, too,” Garrett said with a smile.

“I kind of laughed a little bit. Most people wouldn’t say that, but he’s one of the greatest, if not the greatest, pass rushers. If he thinks so, and I want to be at his level someday, I need to take his advice and run with it.”

Garrett has repeatedly said the external expectations that come with being the No. 1 pick don’t intimidate him because he has even higher goals for himself. As a high school player, he and his father, Lawrence, set goals for him to become the nation’s top-rated recruit (check) and the No. 1 pick in the NFL Draft (check).

There are more lofty goals on that checklist, of course, and following the advice of a legend like Smith only makes them more realistic.

“He played leagues above what I am right now if I want to get there,” Garrett said. “I’ve got to soak in all that information and all that greatness.”
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...a4-acebb9ca3ce7

Thanks for the article. Two things:

1. Bruce Smith was my NFL comparison to Myles. It's cool that Bruce is mentoring him.

2. What a great kid Myles is. I love how he addressed Smith's criticism w/comments like these:



Great, great attitude and this guy is giving me positive vibes. Love this pick by the Browns!!!!

Really, really loving on this pick.

I think you guys are forgetting.

We are stupid. Because we didn't take a QB number 1 overall.

I don't remember if it had to be Mitch specifically.

But that was the name I kept reading. And it apparently didn't matter if he turned out to be any good.

How dare we not take a QB over a "bust" like Myles.

Same. Old. Browns.

Yeah I read that to. Although I think BS is coming to camp regardless of Garrett. I think Williams told MG that he was going to be in camp this year. Anyway good times

I think two people were saying this.

I really like the kids maturity and the way he speaks.

Sounds and acts much older than his years.

agreed

is it august yet? can't wait to see this guy coming off the edge

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...art_river_index

Dee and Joe Thomas praise Garrett

Highlights imo

-"I'm just impressed with his demeanor and his willingness to learn and his humbleness," Thomas said, "but also you see that fire that's burning inside him to be great and I think those are the hallmarks of guys that have a chance to be really excellent football players."

-"He's shown an interest in learning and I'm a player that really likes to try to help teach and impart any wisdom that I've gotten over the ages on some of those young guys," Thomas said, "so it will be fun for me, too, to be able to try to help as best as I can and try to get him to think like an offensive tackle and hopefully turn him into the great player I think he can be."


Dee thinks he's a swell guy too.

Hard to temper my excitement for Myles. I think he's certainly putting in the work to get a good result.

The last player I was this excited about us drafting was Joe Thomas.

No question about it. Here too.

Joe, one of the NFL greats as a technician, now gets to teach a kid with all the raw power, strength, and size how to beat a great technician. And Bruce Smith can add instruction on how to get the most out of his power and strength... If this combo can't help make MG into something special then no one could.

I think the last player I was that excited about us drafting was Trent Richardson. Boy did I screw that one up

It'd be easier for me to say who I wasn't excited about us drafting..

Last I remember. Brandon Weeden. smh.

I'm waiting for the reports from camp of Joe Thomas raving "HOLY CRAP, I'm glad this guy won't be lining up across from me!!".

I'm waiting for the reports that the Browns are trying to trade Thomas to Denver again.

What better person to learn how to attack an offensive tackle than the best the game has ever had, Joe Thomas?

Combined with his willingness to teach and supposed Garrett's willingness to learn - sounds like a formula for something awesome.

Fingers crossed, as always, but MAN the fluff is being laid on thick this offseason.

"Sources confirm Browns were in talks to trade Joe Thomas during the draft.."

I might be wrong, but it seems that guys like Peppers, Brantley, and Ogunjobi are getting more support on here than Garrett.

Meanwhile, Garrett was the superior player and seems to be saying and doing all the right things while drawing positive remarks by those who really do know what's happening.

Confusing.

All I know for sure is that I am thrilled that we drafted such a talented and high character player like Myles Garrett.

I'd like to see some posts of people supporting guys like Peppers, Brantley and Ogunjobi over Garrett.

I didn't say that. Read it again.

I'm happy we didn't do something crazy like draft a QB first or trade down right off the bat.