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We might have to unite on this one 40... We don't need interlopers in our fights.

And how did I get lumped into this with you two and not Swish? Interesting... hmmm.

Disagree about interlopers. All are welcome!
Just remember when you dish criticism, you may get it back and served hot.

Agreed. And we serve it hot all day long in here.

This board was destroyed the moment it was made. At least in EE there was a fake pretense where people listened to each other. This forum is only here so people can troll.

Yeah, and that was with a much more volatile sun and an earth with a <20 degree axis. Pretty scary.

Yea I thought it funny how you posted a chart that dismisses all that you have been saying in this thread.

Please. You only think the Earth is 6,000 years old to begin with

No I don't.

But you spewed and spewed then posted a chart confirming you only spewed.

Can't even read a chart correctly.

What would an orbital axis difference of 18 degrees and a larger and more volatile sun make? 40 sure can't tell you

I can certainly recognize a "Spew" when I see one. So can others.

Yeah, that's why so many people have you on ignore

I would never put 40 on ignore. No fun in that at all.

Perhaps you could post a chart on that.

So, THAT's why the earth has warmed and cooled pretty consistently over the 375,000 years the chart shows, but these last 50 years matter more?

Yes, the last 50 years of human existence matters so much more than the time period before humans. Especially when you're talking about the viability for humans. Humans have only lived in one age where it was warmer than this and the climate dried up the Sahara forest and humans began emigrating out of Africa. Sounds like a good analogy alrleady. Second, you see a "consistent climate", but don't take in the factors that add into that climate. If the Earth's axis is at 10 degrees, then winters and summers are fairly consistent year round for everyone. At 24 degrees, we see the weather that we currently see at that is our axis now. Also, the Earth did not have natural shade like we do today. Fauna and cloud coverage were not like they are today. Our albedo was about .3 globally and I'm being kind.

Well OCD and Perfect cant bicker with only their side, it takes two sides. So I was trying to pick a couple from each side. Those three got picked out because they are..... ahhh never mind

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As I head off I will wave and give you the sign to let you know that you're #1

40 would take the hike but he's scared a Korean will kidnap him.

Just a heads up, don't let the "Man Caused" Dead Bears git cha and don't believe the direction charts because CHS posted them!

IMO Population growth would effect things more than anything else

https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth/

It is and it does, orbital dynamics of Earth. Mainly precession and obliquity, natural variations of the earth's orbit around the sun. Resulting in roughly 15,000 year interglacial periods.

I was reading an article by Dr. Sowell and though of this conversation when I came across this quote:



From an article by Dr. Thomas Sowell

For the most part, the only people happy about pulling out of the Paris Climate agreement, are among the original subset population of humanity I brought up. Which by no means is a representative sample of planet Earth.

That subset population, is happy for now. They are happy now because oil and coal companies have a vested interest in their bottom line, as we all do.

Just like the Spider-Man quote, "with great power comes great responsibility"
Until we "Americans" speak for all of humanity, we continue to spin our tires in a self righteous manner.

The only disagreement with that map I have is the lack of dark red around coastal Florida. I'm thinking Miami will have serious flooding issues well before 2050. Miami will become the new Venice.

Interesting though

I am pretty familiar with Florida. Most of Miami is less that 4' above sea level. They are surrounded by the Glades, which might be a foot or two high at best.....maybe 8". It's a slow flow from Okeechobee to the ocean....maybe a inch a mile.

At one time Key West was connected by a land bridge. Now it is a series of keys.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170403-miamis-fight-against-sea-level-rise

It explains the ocean tides rising that's causing major road flooding in Miami.

But yeah, waiting until they're under water to admit there's a problem sounds like a solution.

Mar-a-glub, glub, glub...

Yes, I heard there was once a land bridge between Russia and North America. Now it is all Bering Sea.

DC appeals court orders EPA to move ahead with methane rule

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dc-appeals-court-orders-epa-move-ahead-methane-201039654--politics.html

i don't understand why this would be an issue. why wouldn't the EPA want to make sure we reduce methane leaks?

i mean i understand why this clown doesn't want to do it, i just don't understand why the people voted for a president who doesn't give two craps about taking care of our planet.

I want to know what they are going to do about all the cow farts that are killing us.

I think perhaps you and I are included in that certain subset of humanity Bucky was referring too. You know, like dregs of society and Deplorables.

I just read thru this entire thread....its an example why nothing gets done in DC! 99% is belittling the other side instead of talking about facts.

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2012/03/all-time_cleveland_winter_temp.html


Winter Average
high Average
low Daily
average Days
above
freezing Days
not above
freezing 50-degree
or higher
days
2011-2012 44.54 30.26 37.40 74 15 23
2010-2011 35.44 22.28 28.86 45 43 13
2009-2010 37.03 24.99 31.01 56 32 12
2008-2009 37.10 20.36 28.73 50 38 21
2007-2008 37.52 23.03 30.28 61 28 16
2006-2007 35.64 21.84 28.74 48 40 17
2005-2006 41.70 29.30 35.50 70 18 21
2004-2005 35.36 21.33 28.35 51 37 12
2003-2004 36.42 22.30 29.36 59 30 14
2002-2003 33.22 18.78 26.00 35 53 10
2001-2002 41.64 26.47 34.05 67 21 22
2000-2001 34.84 22.73 28.78 51 37 8
1999-2000 40.04 23.82 31.93 54 35 22
1998-1999 37.31 22.43 29.87 57 31 13
1997-1998 41.45 29.33 35.39 70 18 18
1996-1997 39.68 24.13 31.90 61 27 20
1995-1996 34.11 19.42 26.76 41 48 13
1994-1995 40.11 23.07 31.59 62 26 19
1993-1994 32.18 16.08 24.13 43 45 7
1992-1993 36.64 22.61 29.63 61 27 7
1991-1992 40.06 25.65 32.85 71 18 13
1990-1991 38.78 23.48 31.13 64 24 15
1989-1990 43.20 27.15 35.18 72 16 25
1988-1989 39.99 23.18 31.59 62 26 19
1987-1988 36.20 20.09 28.15 57 32 11
1986-1987 37.91 23.34 30.63 68 20 6
1985-1986 35.82 21.26 28.54 53 35 12
1984-1985 35.60 19.86 27.73 45 43 15
1983-1984 32.04 17.01 24.53 39 50 11
1982-1983 43.90 28.63 36.26 69 19 26
1981-1982 34.16 18.05 26.10 51 37 9
1980-1981 33.93 19.16 26.55 48 40 10
1979-1980 33.21 19.79 26.50 44 45 10
1978-1979 34.25 17.59 25.92 43 45 12
1977-1978 30.08 12.17 21.13 29 59 1
1976-1977 31.68 14.00 22.84 36 52 14
1975-1976 39.28 23.10 31.19 57 32 22
1974-1975 37.68 25.41 31.55 63 25 11
1973-1974 40.77 25.64 33.20 55 33 20
1972-1973 41.50 27.67 34.59 66 22 25
1971-1972 38.08 21.12 29.60 60 29 17
1970-1971 33.22 18.83 26.02 46 42 8
1969-1970 31.42 17.95 24.69 39 49 8
1968-1969 34.55 21.13 27.84 46 42 10
1967-1968 32.74 17.06 24.90 41 48 6
1966-1967 36.22 22.40 29.31 54 34 11
1965-1966 36.78 21.82 29.30 52 36 20
1964-1965 37.92 22.82 30.37 63 25 18
1963-1964 36.37 22.03 29.20 54 35 12
1962-1963 30.33 13.43 21.88 47 41 4
1961-1962 32.56 18.28 25.42 42 46 5
1960-1961 35.92 20.28 28.10 55 33 15
1959-1960 34.81 21.82 28.31 46 43 10
1958-1959 36.85 19.95 28.40 60 28 8
1957-1958 34.89 23.01 28.95 55 33 4
1956-1957 37.50 23.69 30.60 58 30 15
1955-1956 38.20 24.42 31.31 61 28 14
1954-1955 39.47 24.55 32.01 61 27 20
1953-1954 40.01 24.25 32.13 65 23 20
1952-1953 42.02 27.17 34.60 73 15 18
1951-1952 39.02 24.97 31.99 68 21 12
1950-1951 38.10 23.26 30.68 61 27 15
1949-1950 40.89 23.91 32.40 65 23 18
1948-1949 40.65 24.84 32.74 67 21 23
1947-1948 35.11 18.19 26.65 52 37 11
1946-1947 35.81 21.55 28.68 50 38 10
1945-1946 42.50 24.92 33.71 67 21 27
1944-1945 36.41 19.45 27.93 47 41 16
1943-1944 37.56 22.51 30.03 62 27 12
1942-1943 37.73 21.47 29.60 59 29 19
1941-1942 36.70 23.03 29.87 56 32 14
1940-1941 35.25 24.26 29.76 47 41 10
1939-1940 30.69 20.26 25.47 36 53 3
1938-1939 40.00 24.38 32.19 61 27 19
1937-1938 40.64 25.49 33.06 65 23 21
1936-1937 41.75 26.89 34.32 62 26 26
1935-1936 31.70 17.13 24.42 42 47 13
1934-1935 39.27 24.24 31.76 57 31 21
1933-1934 35.64 19.41 27.52 53 35 16
1932-1933 42.89 27.74 35.31 71 17 27
1931-1932 42.19 29.54 35.87 71 18 19
1930-1931 36.72 26.24 31.48 66 22 7
1929-1930 40.58 25.73 33.15 58 30 22
1928-1929 36.68 22.01 29.35 54 34 15
1927-1928 36.44 23.22 29.83 53 36 12
1926-1927 38.83 26.41 32.62 61 27 17
1925-1926 32.80 19.66 26.23 44 44 3
1924-1925 37.26 21.82 29.54 56 32 15
1923-1924 33.18 21.63 27.40 50 39 4
1922-1923 36.34 23.36 29.85 57 31 9
1921-1922 37.09 23.43 30.26 53 35 12
1920-1921 40.91 27.65 34.28 65 23 21
1919-1920 31.67 18.28 24.98 43 46 7
1918-1919 39.40 27.05 33.22 62 26 13
1917-1918 33.63 16.93 25.28 43 45 19
1916-1917 33.49 18.77 26.13 48 40 8
1915-1916 35.97 21.12 28.54 43 46 18
1914-1915 34.44 22.78 28.61 50 38 9
1913-1914 33.43 21.27 27.35 45 43 9
1912-1913 38.69 24.00 31.35 60 28 19
1911-1912 28.71 15.78 22.24 36 53 8
1910-1911 38.26 23.97 31.11 62 26 14
1909-1910 33.69 20.70 27.20 42 46 8
1908-1909 39.13 25.69 32.41 62 26 14
1907-1908 37.21 23.18 30.20 57 32 15
1906-1907 36.00 20.90 28.45 55 33 16
1905-1906 37.55 24.26 30.90 58 30 15
1904-1905 31.53 17.41 24.47 37 51 7
1903-1904 29.70 14.80 22.25 39 50 8
1902-1903 36.70 23.67 30.19 52 36 12
1901-1902 33.40 21.85 27.63 45 43 10
1900-1901 33.75 20.56 27.15 47 41 10
1899-1900 33.26 19.42 26.34 46 42 9
1898-1899 34.19 20.18 27.19 47 41 15
1897-1898 38.49 25.58 32.03 54 34 17
1896-1897 36.01 22.63 29.32 50 38 18
1895-1896 34.12 22.94 28.53 54 35 6
1894-1895 29.70 16.18 22.94 42 46 3
1893-1894 40.57 27.57 34.07 61 27 22
1892-1893 30.02 17.06 23.54 38 50 6
1891-1892 34.26 23.06 28.66 49 40 9
1890-1891 37.30 25.50 31.40 56 32 15
1889-1890 42.65 28.48 35.56 69 19 27
1888-1889 37.23 24.77 31.00 65 23 11
1887-1888 33.04 17.61 25.33 47 42 8
1886-1887 36.06 19.76 27.91 48 40 14
1885-1886 34.91 19.72 27.31 50 38 12
1884-1885 29.91 13.02 21.47 39 49 5
1883-1884 34.20 18.19 26.20 52 37 10
1882-1883 34.85 18.80 26.82 47 41 10
1881-1882 41.27 27.45 34.36 72 16 22
1880-1881 29.93 16.88 23.40 32 56 6
1879-1880 42.08 28.16 35.12 68 21 25
1878-1879 31.53 18.41 24.97 39 49 4
1877-1878 40.99 29.22 35.10 70 18 19
1876-1877 33.48 20.20 26.84 47 41 7
1875-1876 42.92 26.01 34.47 66 23 34
1874-1875 28.63 12.64 20.63 33 55 7
1873-1874 39.67 26.34 33.01 63 25 16
1872-1873 31.78 17.99 24.89 44 44 7
1871-1872 31.62 20.63 26.12 39 50 6

Sources: National Weather Service and National Climatic Data Center

Here's the truth; Some years it's hot, some years its cold. Lets spend a trillion dollars a year figuring out why...what a waste! Keep arguing over this nonsense.

What are you doing, man? Did you seriously just post the all time temps in a crappy format just for the city of Cleveland? You do realize the world is bigger than Cleveland, right? You also realize that Cleveland is next to a large body of water, right? You know that the water absorbs a lot of heat, right? Right? What are you doing?

Research any city in the world man and quit with your BS excuses! So in your mind Cleveland is not affected by this farce global warming? Wow, Lake Erie doesn't allow the temperature to rise in Cleveland....that is the lamest excuse I've ever heard.

I know the liberals fail to think on their own, my fault for giving you an idea to bolster your position!

Here's a thought, everybody move to Cleveland it's safe from global warming!

So handpicking random cities instead of taking a global average is the best way to see if global warming exists? When did you begin failing math?

This is why I don't argue with the Cons anymore about global warming. How can you have a conversation based in science and math with people who don't understand science and math?

Over 31,000 scientists signed the OISM Petition Project
The Petition Project features over 31,000 scientists signing the petition stating "there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide will, in the forseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere". (OISM)
There are several claims that large numbers of scientists do not agree with the theory of climate change, the best known of which is a petition organised by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (the OISM petition). This petition now appears to be signed by over 32,000 people with a BSc or higher qualification.
https://skepticalscience.com/OISM-Petition-Project.htm


I have 31,000 scientists on my side and you got nuttin but liars tears.