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I think there's a difference between bringing wins and bringing immediate wins.

Houston made the playoffs. Another 1-15 season for the Browns is going to be hard to say they've improved.

Based on Talent: 8/10
Based on time to gel/coaching learning: 4/10

Our draft was a 9, free agency anywhere from 2 to a 7, last year's record a skinny 1. Add that all up, and you get 'who really knows?'

We've HAD to improve to some degree. We lost two games last season, one by missing three field goals and another by a "kick-6". Both of those should have been wins, so that's 3 not 1 win. (I know, I know, we lost both of those games and that's the facts but at the same time that was two very unlikely losses.)

Thanks for clarifying your scale. I thought that was the case, but wasn't positive.

I don't think there is any way we are even close to the middle of the pack, thus I disagree w/your score of 4.

I see us fighting w/the Jets, Bears, and maybe the 49ers for the worst overall record. I think coaching gets SF a couple of wins.

Seriously, I see us in the bottom 3 of the entire league. So......let's see..........even at the high end....3/32? That's still a 1.

As far as their record in the NFL next season, about a 2-3 (2-4 wins). On potential with the current roster, about a 6. A bit above average assuming that the current young talent is able to develop.

Wait till September, they've got to get 1 win, before they can get a 2nd.

1.95 and rising.

I think this is a silly question.

The obvious answer is 1. No games played.

I like many of the moves made so far, draft included. But there is no evidence to support any other conclusion.

I remain disappointingly satisfied with my 1-15 prediction of a year ago, made after training camp.

I could realistically see this team win anywhere between 3-10 games. Improvements in OL and Greg Williams 4-3 vs Horton's 3-4 is my reason for thinking we could win more.

QB and receivers are the reason I think it could be a 3 win season.

I forgot on a scale of one to 10, I say a 4 with the upgrades and that usually translates into a 5 or 6 win season sadly.

running backs and the OL are our only real chance for a successful season.

Mourg, I think we are going to be close to the basement again. Probably one of the 3 worst records in the entire league.

I think we have 3 major weaknesses:

1. QB

2. WRs

3. Secondary

I don't think that bodes well considering it is a passing league.

I don't believe our secondary is as bad as they were made to look last year. I mean those guys covered their asses off but we coldnt genereate any type of pass rush other than occasionally Danny pushing the pocket.

We have one receiver in Britt. I would honestly use 2 TE sets and a FB. Make it dirty make it nasty and then use our athletic TE's to create some easy throws for the QBs.

Unless we are rushing for over 120 a game, we aren't winning.

5 to 6 win season most likely which means we are drafting top 5 again most likely.

We certainly disagree on the secondary. I think they are the worst secondary in the league and I witnessed them getting abused all year long.

This team looks like a 2-4 win team to me.

Hopefully, the new guys work out, we don't fire anyone, and we continue to have good offseasons. There's hope, but I worry about the danger of having expectations that exceed the talent/experience of the roster.

Possibly. Maybe probably.

A good pass rush will/should def. help the secondary, not?

Until I see them play I put them at a solid 2. They improved on paper. They hired a different DC and drafted well, they improved the offensive line. But QB is still up in the air and they haven't played together yet. When I see improvement then the 2 may change, but until I see it.... it's a 2.

Certainly. A good pass rush will help.

It sure can't hurt! Been WAY too long since we had one.

I would say right now this team is a 1 in a scale of 1 to 10. Why, they are a 1-15 team until they take the field again.

They seem to have improved some on paper. Offensive line, pass rush, and run defense. That may improve them to a 3 or 4 out of ten. No better than that unless a QB emerges and has a great season.

What this team needs is DeShone Kizer have a Dak Prescott or Russell Wilson like season. Come out of no where and prove to be an NFL playoff caliber QB. When this team has a QB emerge they will make the jump to a 7 or 8 out of 10. Then and only then will they make that jump.

No one and I mean no one seen Wilson or Prescott coming. If they tell you they knew they were going to be studs do not believe them. I have a friend that is a huge Cowboy's fan and he was singing the blues during the preseason last year when Romo got hurt. Even told me that their season was already over before it started. He was wrong. The seahawks went from losing to the Browns 6 to 3 in 2011 to playoff team in 2012.

A good QB will cover many many flaws. A bad QB exposes all of the flaws.

Let's hope that Kizer can be a Prescott or Wilson. That is what hope the Browns fans have in 2017.

I agree with your post. I would also like to add that for the 1st time that I can remember we have a very good coaching staff starting with Hue. That could make a big difference in how fast our players improve. In the past I had very little faith in our coaches.

I think our defense is really on the right track. Couple that with the additions to the OL and Kessler with a year of experience, it's tough to see us not improved. HOw many wins will that equate to? I'd say at least a few

IMO (which is worth about as much as a used piece of toilet paper) I say we are a 2.5. If our guys from the 2016 draft keep improving, and our draft picks from 2017 look good we could improve to a 3.5 by the end of the season. I think these last two drafts have to pan out, and we need a good draft in 2018 before we can even dream about being a 8-8 team.

Overall I agree with you my friend. My expectations are to see improvement over the course of the season. Hoping we see good progress from the 2016 draft class and solid potential from the 2017 draft class. We should see a much better young team by seasons end. If not, it could cause a lot of upheaval.

That's what makes grading this team so difficult. Does it mean based on last season? Does it mean based on the beginning of the new season? Does it mean what we believe we'll see by seasons end?

Just a difficult thing to do.

dotd, I disagree on Kiser needing to be this year's Prescot. Let Kiser develop and take the starting job from Kessler. Let Kessler have his opportunity. There is no urgency to rush things. If Kiser is good enough, he'll take the job sooner than later.

I think this way. If Cleveland can't win football games with Kessler then they are light years away from consistently winning, and it is a sure thing they cannot win football games with a rookie.

As far as a scale, like GM and Pitt stated, it is pretty difficult defining. How much progress did last year's draft class make? How soon can this years perform? One thing is certain a better foundation is place for the current class. Hopefully we see a season closer to 8-8 than 1-15.

Agreed. There is no reason to rush things as we are probably going to draft in the top 10 next year, maybe even top 5 again. Give all our players time to develop especially our qb's. We are not in a win now mode like say a Houston who has a complete team accept for the QB position. Again, we have to be patient as tough as that may be.

I semi disagree here. Why does everyone think starting Kessler means minimal wins? Browns had less talent and won with Colt McCoy. I think it is reasonable saying at this stage Colt and Cody are similar. Again, if you can't play well enough having a near winning record with Cody, having Brady still makes you below par.

I think QB position is way over valued. Yes, it is important. Teams who figured it out can win starting rookie QBs such as Prescott and Wentz.

Take a scale having Kessler at one end Luck on the other. Using the salary cap construct your offense. Kessler you obtain more expensive pieces with Luck you need less. Low end of the scale is required to have some physical and mental skill. You can't have simply physical, Weeden, or mental such as Dorsey.

My point here is you can't base all your wins and loses on the QB position. There are 21 other starting positions needing some talent level.

There it is.

I agree, it is apparent this FO is building the other pieces before the quarterback. If they happen to get lucky along the way, lets just say we deserve a break!

So to the thread, the scale in my opinion is a 3.
That is based on current roster which is comprised of mostly rookie and 1 yr players. This scale can jump dramatically in a short amount of time depending on the progress of last years draft class.
To get out of Farmers way, we need one more solid draft class in 2018. We have the high picks to do it, including the ammo to get a quarterback if so deemed.

Hate to rain on any parades ( as I am a very optimistic fan) but we will probably be picking top 5 next year.

I thought about this today ... let's just imagine, in a perfect (nearly impossible) scenario ... that Kizer proves to be the answer at QB

Just imagine how well off we'll be set ... the OL, the QB, the improved pass rush ... the youth ... the abundance of draft picks next year

I don't share your level of optimism yet. I think 0-16 is a possibility. A Lot---- of coachability still on this roster. Do the Browns have superhero's as position coaches?
Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

I posted early in this thread, but looking back, I never gave a 1-10 answer.

Giving them a 1 for 2016, I would venture a 2 for right now. The 2nd year players have a year under their belts, and we acquired some talent in FA & the draft. We'll see what comes.

so in 2026 we should be a 10

My grade is 2 RIGHT NOW. My hope is that it will be higher as this season develops.

lol yeah lets hope

They added a lot of talent in free agency and the draft, but they were just so bad last year-- IMO the least talented team in the league.

There are certainly some encouraging signs, they have tons of picks stockpiled, and there's some young talent but we're raw and inexperienced with major question marks at several positions, including the most important position of all.

If I had to put a number on it on a 10 scale, I'd say maybe we're at a 3 or 4. Let's say that translates to 4 or 5 wins. I'd love to see them challenge for a playoff spot but I just don't see it happening this season.

yeah, playoffs are pretty much out of the question this year. but next year we should be competing IMO. in one calendar year (after 2017 and the 2018 draft) we should all feel great about the team.

I think it's more like, we could be competing next year (i.e. 2018) for a playoff spot. That's the optimistic side of things where we are hitting on our draft picks, the coaching staff is legit, and a solid starting QB emerges.

There's no guarantee those things happen though, but with the amount of cap space and draft capital available, you would think the Browns would be able to put together a pretty impressive roster.

4 or 5 wins sounds about right and being competitive in most of our games in 2017. We have some talent and some good coaches. Now we have to work on changing the losing culture attitude.

I just want to say that, while to most football fans, predicting their team to win 4 sounds really negative, but 4 wins is the total of our wins for the last 2 seasons. 4 wins is 4x improvement over last year. 4 wins is something I can get excited about.