Because if they can get thing passed, they WILL be signing a bill that will drastically cut medicaid to fund a tax cut. Trump said he would not cut medicaid.
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Because if they can get thing passed, they WILL be signing a bill that will drastically cut medicaid to fund a tax cut. Trump said he would not cut medicaid.
If they can get this thing passed? If this is the final bill? If Pigs had wings they would fly?
So like I said, no bill has been passed and Trump has signed nothing but you go on and on calling everyone liars.
So what the Republican party proposes and is working to pass means nothing? Their intentions are clear. Both proposals have almost exactly the same cuts to medicaid. You do understand what intent means, correct?
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It won't be me who sells it, I don't know much about it. My thing is why people call everybody liars when nothing is finished or signed.
Well what we know, to this point.. is that Trump promised no cuts... the healthcare plans both contain fairly deep cuts... Trump has said he supports the plans...
So you are correct, we cannot officially say somebody lied until he either puts his name on the bill or he doesn't... but for now, he has kind of put his support behind a draft bill that does something he said he wouldn't do. We shall see what the final product looks like and whether or not he signs it.
The problem is that the Dems fell in line and passed a truly crappy deal.
They passed it, I believe, with the idea that it would fail, and then they would institute a single payer system without much difficulty.
However, a funny thing happened, and the Dems were swept out of power at every level of government. They lost their power to do anything with the ACA. So now they sit and watch as the ACA disintegrates before their very eyes, being able to do nothing to try to save it. Thus, they can only vilify efforts made by the Republicans.
The Republicans are much more scattered, philosophically, then the Democrats, so even though they ave 52 votes, getting to 50 can, and will be difficult.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
40...this is why...the Liar is about to put the screws to you and you don't even realize it. You admit you don't know much about it, yet you support it and man pushing for the passage of his Trumpcare. Mitch Mconnell, the GOP and the lying leader want to ram this through before anyone reads it and understands it..by the time Trump supporters realize it..it will be too late because you won't feel the pain for a few years.
Fact Check: Dem claims that Senate bill guts Medicaid ignore billions in new funding
While Democrats are howling that the Senate’s health care bill would gut Medicaid, a closer look at the numbers shows the legislation actually would increase spending to the safety-net program—by tens of billions of dollars.
According to the latest ‘score’ from the Congressional Budget Office, Medicaid spending would rise from $393 billion in 2017 to $464 billion in 2026—that’s a $71 billion, or 18 percent, increase.
So how are Democrats describing this as a Medicaid cut?
Because even a $71 billion increase is considerably smaller than what taxpayers would see under current law. If nothing changes, the CBO predicts Medicaid spending in 2026 would be a whopping $624 billion.
All told, Medicaid spending under the Senate bill would be roughly $772 billion less over the next decade.
It's simply amazing how people can vote for their own demise.
This bill has almost no public support, yet the people who voted for the GOP were told that this very thing was gonna happen, yet they voted for them anyway.
Honestly, I'm having a harder and harder time having any sort of empathy for people who will be affected by this, since a very large portion will be trump/conservative voters.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
All told, Medicaid spending under the Senate bill would be roughly $772 billion less over the next decade.
You answered your own question.
So Medicaid will increase at 1.8% per year instead of 5% per year....
Just out of curiosity, is 5% the right number?
Over a 15 year period, healthcare costs have risen by about 3-3.5% per year.. with a low one year of 2% and a high one year of 5.2%... but the average seems to be in the 3.2% range... so maybe the 1.8% isn't enough to keep up... maybe the 5% is way to high...
What we do know according to your own numbers is that 1.8% isn't nearly enough and it will cause people to lose coverage. Under the current medicaid expansion program, I believe to get any accurate figure, you would have to use the annual increase since Obamacare began. Many more people gained coverage after 2008 and mixing the seven years previous to that would skew the increase number.
I really don't believe you can use half of the medicaid statistics prior to medicaid expansion and have it reflect an accurate accounting as to what it has been over the past seven years since Obamacare has passed.
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Under the current medicaid expansion program, I believe to get any accurate figure, you would have to use the annual increase since Obamacare began. Many more people gained coverage after 2008 and mixing the seven years previous to that would skew the increase number.
But which numbers should we use? The ones we were told to expect, where medical costs leveled off or even went down and it was a boom to our economy.. or what actually happened where they continued to rise at the same or greater rate than they had in the past?
And actually, from the 2 graphs I looked at, the rises seemed to be fairly consistent with little to no change before or after Obamacare was enacted. In fact, the big 5.2% increase year was before Obamacare and the low 2.0% increase was after Obamacare but on average, there wasn't a noticeable difference.
[quote] But which numbers should we use? The ones we were told to expect, where medical costs leveled off or even went down and it was a boom to our economy.. or what actually happened where they continued to rise at the same or greater rate than they had in the past?
Just curious... Is this part a joke? Sarcasm?
I just wondered because you know as well as I do we have to gauge costs upon actual costs.
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And actually, from the 2 graphs I looked at, the rises seemed to be fairly consistent with little to no change before or after Obamacare was enacted. In fact, the big 5.2% increase year was before Obamacare and the low 2.0% increase was after Obamacare but on average, there wasn't a noticeable difference.
That seems very odd to me. How can you add millions to a medicaid expansion and the costs be the same? Something in that math doesn't add up. _________________________________________________________
As of November 2015, there had been a net increase of 14.1 million people added to the Medicaid rolls since October 2013 (the month when ACA expansion enrollment began), plus another 950,000 people who had already been quietly transferred over to Medicaid from existing, state-funded programs prior to 2013 via other ACA provisions.
Now that increase is around 16,000,000 people was only in the two years it reports. (2013-2015) So I'm not sure just how large the total number of people have been added to medicaid. However, I would find it hard to believe numbers that indicate that the rise in costs were as low as whatever numbers you are quoting.
Once again, it just seems as though those numbers don't add up to me.
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That seems very odd to me. How can you add millions to a medicaid expansion and the costs be the same? Something in that math doesn't add up. _________________________________________________________
As of November 2015, there had been a net increase of 14.1 million people added to the Medicaid rolls since October 2013 (the month when ACA expansion enrollment began), plus another 950,000 people who had already been quietly transferred over to Medicaid from existing, state-funded programs prior to 2013 via other ACA provisions.
the numbers I was using were not the number of people or the amount of money spent on medicaid, they were the cost of healthcare.. so if a MRI cost you X last year, it was going up around 3 to 3.5% per year. Of course the more people we keep dumping into Medicaid, the more the total cost is going up.. but the per-person cost is going up around that 3+% number.
The pressure mounts for them as far as the available time window allotted for reconciliation packages. The speedy timetable was a shot at passing this thing as a budget proposa;, which requires only 50 votes. If they miss the reconciliation deadline, the vote goes to 2/3 majority, much more difficult to achieve.
I'd say McC has a 50/50 shot (pardon the pun) at getting this bill passed through reconciliation... but the timetable becomes excruciatingly tight, with this latest postponement. He's pulled out rabbit/hat tricks in the past, so I'm not even thinking of putting a fork in him at this point.
What is ironic is that if healthcare is rising at 3.2 percent, and inflation is at 1.8%, sooner rather than later all of the paycheck will be for healthcare.
Single payer, period. Only way to fix this mess is to socialize it, negotiate drug and equipment prices, practice more preventative medicines and focus on cures vs treating symptoms. Trying to protect big Pharma, Insurance Companies, and rich people's money is not how we solve this or anything else.
Single payer, period. Only way to fix this mess is to socialize it, negotiate drug and equipment prices, practice more preventative medicines and focus on cures vs treating symptoms. Trying to protect big Pharma, Insurance Companies, and rich people's money is not how we solve this or anything else.
A 50% tax increase(at least) and wait a year to get treatment, yep, that'll solve all of our problems.
It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
We have variations of single payer with Medicare and the VA, although with the influx of war veterans, it has been miserable for sure.
I actually think there will be states that move to single payer, more like Mass. Enough of them move that way, and the rest will follow. There is talk in CA about trying it.
Because if they can get thing passed, they WILL be signing a bill that will drastically cut medicaid to fund a tax cut. Trump said he would not cut medicaid.
If they can get this thing passed? If this is the final bill? If Pigs had wings they would fly?
So like I said, no bill has been passed and Trump has signed nothing but you go on and on calling everyone liars.
They can't get anything passed through the republican controlled congress... let alone health care...that's no lie!
WHO KNEW?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
What's really funny is after many years of the republican controlled congress calling for repeal they still can't do it with a republican administration.
WHO KNEW?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
What's really funny is after many years of the republican controlled congress calling for repeal they still can't do it with a republican administration.
WHO KNEW?
I don't lean one way or another or pretend to have all the answers, but I'd rather have this approach of going back and forth in negotiations (even w/in a controlled party) then to hear Nancy Pelosi try to sell it by saying "We need to pass it so we can see what's inside it."
That worked wonderfully last time around.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
What's really funny is after many years of the republican controlled congress calling for repeal they still can't do it with a republican administration.
WHO KNEW?
To be fair, If the republican held congress had actually come up with a plan, I mean a real live plan, there is a good chance that Obama would have probably vetoed it anyway.
But Obama did say (who knows if he really meant it), that if you show him a better way, he's all in.
It never got tested because all the Republicans did was try to repeal Obamacare. They didn't offer up a replacement. (except in 2009 when they came up with a 17 page document that they said was better than Obamacare). Remember that LOL
Anyway, I just listened to two House guys (one dem, one Rep) talking like I want to hear.
It's not a Blue problem, it's not a red problem, it's not a liberal problem, it's not a conservative problem.
IT'S AN AMERICAN PROBLEM and should be addressed as a congressional body as a whole.
I like that approach,, I think it was the republican that stated a very true fact, you gotta have both sides come together on this otherwise, we'll be fighting the battle every time the resident changes as 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
That would be dumb, wasteful and frankly, will only cause more bitterness and hardship and a bigger divide among americans.
They've got to find a way to help those negatively impacted by Obamacare while not hurting those it's helped.
Until they do that, we are in for a fight every day of every Congress and President for ever.
What a waste that would be.
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Republicans have always tried to make problems into larger problems. They've been saying that Obamacare was a problem since forever. However, when they finally get a chance to shoot their shot, with a Republican President who also wants to remove Obamacare, they can't stop pump faking. It's honestly hilarious. There truly are two types of people in this world. People who complain all the time, but never offer any changes or solutions and problem solvers. I think we've seen which camp the Republicans are in.
But Obama did say (who knows if he really meant it), that if you show him a better way, he's all in.
Of course he did.. but if you realize that the only thing he was going to view as a "better way" was more government, more taxes, more 'free' care to people... then you know that there was NO WAY he was ever going to get behind anything the republicans proposed.
But Obama did say (who knows if he really meant it), that if you show him a better way, he's all in.
Of course he did.. but if you realize that the only thing he was going to view as a "better way" was more government, more taxes, more 'free' care to people... then you know that there was NO WAY he was ever going to get behind anything the republicans proposed.
More excuses by the Republican party. Many bills get vetoed, they can also overturn a veto. Instead Republican House members preferred to point the finger and cry for 8+ years instead.
How about being like every other wealthy country on earth and guaranteeing health care while reducing the overall cost and financial burden on the people? But there is no profit in it and the great orange stump didn't whisper it in your ear.
More excuses by the Republican party. Many bills get vetoed, they can also overturn a veto. Instead Republican House members preferred to point the finger and cry for 8+ years instead.
Not making excuses.. I was the one screaming at republicans to come up with something better. Republican behavior during the Obama years was as bad as I've ever seen.. nothing productive to offer... now 6 months into a republican president and they still can't get their crap together enough to get something positive done...
My point was addressing Obama's comment, which he made after leaving office.. "If they can come up with something better I'll get behind it."... this isn't about his time in office any way...
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