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Was it written by Pat McManamon?

Rich Cimini.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19511...leveland-browns

However..

Why would we trade for one of our own players?

Analytics, and the front office. Ask mac.

lol good catch

I'm still not sure who will be the deep/coverage safety for us, though.

don't think in the box SS and deep FS. Think more of strong side and weak side safety. third safety can be anywhere, depending upon how much freedom Williams is going to give him.

So Cleveland Browns Daily had both Rich Cimini and Doug Farrar (Bleacher Report) on the show. They said the exact opposite about Pryor and what role he needs to play on the defense to be successful. I mean, polar opposites. I forget which one said what, but I believe Rich said Pryor needs to be a box safety and not play centerfield. Doug said he needed to be in centerfield and NY played him out of position all the time by putting him in the box.

Not sure which is right, just found it interesting that they have extreme points on the matter.

j/c...

Good move. Got rid of a Davis who didn't have a place on the team anymore and took a flier on on a guy that can hopefully salvage his career with a change of scenery.

Not a bad move at all. They got rid of a guy who wasn't going to contribute for a guy who could potentially and saved 2 million in the process.

On a side note I'm sure Jets fans are saying the same thing lol. (minus the saved 2 million thing).

Should we address you now as the Ghost of ThatGuy?

That's what I'm curious about. I know the jets played him at ss but I know he has the range for fs and I've read half a dozen times already that he needs the play to be in front of him. Wouldn't that be fs?

I've also read that in NY he wasn't great against the run.. and not any in coverage either... so yeah.

I wouldn't say no use, bu with Peppers, we are going to play a lot of nickel and dime D. Davis was going to come off the field a lot.

Good move by the FO.

J/c

I like the move. Upgrades the SS spot. Chance to compete at FS (although I think its unlikely he competes well enough to win the spot).

DD strength was his leadership more then his actual play. He was a MLB that lacked range. He didn't play that many snaps last year and would certainly take a drastic reduction in his snaps w/ Gregg and his contract was more expensive then his play warranted.

I wish him well though.

Why did you literally die laughing?

Are you saying that we'll never use a Mike?

Now, it's my turn to

Jets' motivation for trading Calvin Pryor: salary and attitude dump

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/p...d-attitude-dump

The New York Jets' offseason youth movement has claimed another victim ... and he's only 24 years old.

Calvin Pryor was traded Thursday to the Cleveland Browns, which tells us the Jets aren't making decisions based solely on birth certificates -- as was the case with old guys Darrelle Revis, Nick Mangold and Brandon Marshall.

This massive rebuilding project also is an attitude movement and a production movement -- and Pryor, the Jets' 2014 first-round pick, camp up short in both areas.

Adios to the Louisville Slugger. Have fun in Cleveland.

Paying attention, Sheldon Richardson?

In reality, Pryor's fate was sealed during the draft, when the Jets used their first two picks on safeties, Jamal Adams and Marcus Maye. Pryor, a safety who managed only two interceptions and two forced fumbles in 44 career games, was toast.

The Jets like what they've seen in early practices from Adams and Maye, and the plan is to make them opening day starters.

It took a month, but the Jets finally found a team willing to pick up Pryor's $1.6 million guaranteed salary for 2017. Hey, when you're looking for a salary dump, just call the Browns. The Jets still have a $1.1 million dead charge, but this was a winning move for them from a cap standpoint. If they had released Pryor -- that was the plan if they found no takers -- they would've had to eat his salary.

In return, they get a familiar face -- linebacker Demario Davis, who has a non-guaranteed $3.7 million salary in the final year of his contract. This gives the Jets plenty of flexibility. In theory, they could cut Davis before the season and incur no cap charge.

From a football standpoint, they have three starting-caliber inside linebackers with David Harris, Darron Lee and Davis, who played with the Jets from 2012-15. He overlapped one season with coach Todd Bowles in 2015, so he knows the system and it should be an easy transition.

It should be noted that Davis basically lost his starting job to Erin Henderson late in the 2015 season, so it would be a stretch to think he'll make a triumphant return as a starter. Harris and Lee remain the projected starters. Davis can be a depth player and he also has the athleticism to help in third-down packages. It makes no sense to pay $3.7 million for a backup inside linebacker, so Davis is no lock to make the team.

The Jets are taking a risk by leaning so heavily on two rookies at safety -- the most cerebral position in the secondary -- but they made up their minds on draft day to start the future right now. They believe Adams and Maye have star potential. Suddenly, depth is an issue at safety, but that can be fixed in the coming months. The overriding message here is that no one --not even someone picked in the first round -- gets a free pass.

Pryor, hailed by former coach Rex Ryan as a player with Jack Tatum-like skills, didn't make any impact plays. He'd blow up a ball carrier every so often, but he also missed too many tackles and was terrible in coverage. He failed to live up to his draft pedigree; he was 18th overall in 2014. The Jets were hoping for Odell Beckham Jr. (12th overall) but wound up with an undersized strong safety with marginal ball skills. Oops.

Pryor's attitude also soured people in the organization. They felt he had an inflated opinion of himself and didn't buy into Bowles' program. Look at it this way: They could've easily kept him as a backup -- salary-wise, it was doable -- but they wanted him out of the locker room ASAP.

They were curious to see how he'd respond to the Adams and Maye additions, and when he didn't show up for the first day of OTA practices ... well, it confirmed their impression of him. On Tuesday, he was demoted to third string.

Bowles downplayed the significance, spewing some coachspeak. But he also said, "If anybody's going to cry about somebody drafting somebody at their spot and not go out there and play, this is not the league for them."

Or the team.

Don't team actions related to, Tony Jefferson, Tyvis Powell, Jason McCourty, and now Calvin Pryor, in addition to last year mid season; going to Ed Reynolds, kind of suggest that Ibraheim, and Kindred, are on the bubble.

Now I don't like it when someone immediately suggest that if someone signs, you "have" to get rid of another similar player instead of enjoying the new strength of having both, but , if they replace you 4 or 5 times?
(ok, "sort of replace")

I was afraid of the attitude thing.

Hue is good w/players. Maybe he makes it work. If not, cut Pryor's ass.

Something isn't right in Jet land. Todd Bowles sounds a lot like Romeo Crennel.

With that said, I kind of agree. Last thing Browns need is infestation of bad attitude.

On the flip side and if reports are true, players believe there are good things coming. Maybe a new atmosphere is all Pryor needs.

As for talent, I think to much was expected from Pryor being a first round pick. I don't think he'll be asked to carry the load in Cleveland. That alone lifts a huge burden off Pryor's shoulders.

One thing I do know. Camp this year will not be a picnic. Hue is making it difficult who stays. That safety room just got a whole lot tougher.

Well, had you noticed who my reply was to originally, you'll see why I thought it was funny.

But continue to put words in people's mouths and belittle them.

You know, that thing you say people shouldn't do EVERY DAY.

12 hours ago, JiF said:
So this was really just a player swap? For Demario ******* Davis?

Holy sh*t. I hate this ******* team with all my heart and soul.
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At first I thought / hoped those initial posts about Davis were just meant as jokes.

Apparently not.
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this is what the jetsnation.com forum kinda looks like about the trade.

read about 4 pages of it, to see how the Jets fans felt about him.

One fella cited poor attitude, some not.

they are about 50/50 on the trade. but the negative posts were venomous at best. fwiw

Yawn. The Browns Traded a Non playermaker for Another Non playmaker
I wouldn't expect anything special out Pryor
Just another 1st rd bust by a dysfunctional front office that looks up.at the Pats every year

How do I quote you and respong to Vers. also.

Anyone remember when Kevin Schaefer, who played RT, did a very similar reaction and wanted out because somebody was added at his spot.
I like to think, that, sure he had an attitude but looking back, a year later, the missed value was apparent.

Calvin Pryor gives the Browns something that's known, the Jets wanted to believe in "star potential" of the new draft picks, and I don't blame Calvin in the least for feeling disrespected.
If he believes in himself, he ought to feel disrespected and I think it shows passion/zeal for the game, so I see the attitude issue as a positive.

I'm so happy reading this news, not just for this but beause of the Lb position.

See, the Jet's have stary eyes toward their rookie safeties,? But I have that feeling toward Nate ORchard amongst others. (wait and see, who knows)...
Now, 4 days ago I was reading DTMB all acting like Orchard is an afterthought, even that the OTA's starters were Kirksey, Collins, and Demario.

(ok, well, I guess I had to rethink my thought's on what kind of role Nate Orchard had, I mean, it looked like he's a similar player to Demario Davis, and apparently the Browns are valuing Demario above him.)

But then this move.

So, let me just enjoy this happy feeling for a short time, (believe what I want to believe) and think, just maybe, ... 2 facts
This comes a couple days after the long term scout got hired in an unknown role.
This comes in 2nd week or so of OTA's

So my belief is, maybe they see the guys on the field in OTA's and see something that make this move a win win exponentialy for the Browns and jump on it.

Guys! I think Nate Orchard may be really good if they don't give up on him too soon. I want to judge him by his 2015 year, not 16 where his role changed and he had some injuries.

And; I don't know how else but to just say it, Since Jabrill Peppers was selected, it just seems to me like he's the same type of Role as Jamie Collins, just that they can now take a left side, right side, half of the field, (short coverage, stop the outside run, interrupt the screens).

This trade may be .. What does the word catalyst mean?

Nate Orchard is being moved to his pre-draft position of DE. He will get some competition from Cam Johnson for that 4th DE roster spot, but I think that he should win that battle and make the cut.

Nassib has to be considered ahead of Orchard and Johnson.

Not by very much, if at all. Those boys will have to prove it in tc. Let's see what they have

Belittle them? Coming from you Mr. Route Tree? LMAO..........You're killing me here w/your nonsense.

I sorta look at Pryor like this. We took Jamar Taylor from Miami, and he turned out better than some thought he would.

If Pryor can do the same here, then this was a damn good deal. jmo

Sometimes it takes a guy being dumped to give him a new mindset.

We'll see what happens with him. Hopefully he becomes a solid piece of the defense.

this is true. I am hoping he proves the nay sayers wrong like Jamal did last year.

I do believe Taylor had the same bad rap that Pryor has this year.

I don't remember him having any attitude problems in Miami, though I could be wrong.

lol not talking about attitude problems. (still hear say to me at this point).

I'm talking about a high draft pick that the former team felt he was under achieving. and came here and proved them wrong....well at least that is my take on it.

Ah, OK, I misinterpreted what you said. Sorry about that.

lol nothing to be sorry about brother. I just assume that when I am typing everyone knows where I am coming from.

my bad for not being more clear on the subject. Not saying Pryor will, but it is my extreme hope that he does.

I am starting to get goose bumps thinking about our D this year. lol

If you honestly don't understand, that you literally do the exact same things to other people, that you cry and complain about others doing to you.. then I sincerely feel sorry for you. Because you have a problem.

But mostly.

I just think you're a grumpy old troll who wants the attention.

Have a nice day.

I'm thinking the FO has some sort of plan at MLB. I can't imagine they traded the starter without thinking they got the position covered. And there will be a lot of veteran cuts this year, so maybe they are looking at that scenario.

Interesting take Tab...I read more about him being a natural SS though...but also reading that GW prefers right & left over SS & FS.

???

Not to get in the middle of anything here, but IMHO, he's basically an SS who played FS a few time. So maybe he fits Williams scheme in that he can do both. The question in my mind is, does he have the discipline to follow his assignments. He has a tendency to overrun, or pick the wrong gaps. Discipline will be the key to his success, I believe. That on him, and on GW to help instill it.