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You repeat this line or a similar line over and over and over and over. In my opinion, far more people accept your opinion because you are a homer. LOL

The funniest part is when you write this:



If I were still teaching, I would use your lines as examples of irony.

I did? Where? I don't recall that.

I remember saying he was going to be the first WR off the board. I remember saying I was okay w/the pick, but not thrilled. I remember saying that I was disappointed by his performance last year a few times.

I don't remember saying I hated the pick. But who knows, maybe I did when I was wasted one night.

LOLO....so it's all about Mac's opinion on who is good and who sucks.



We got your football "guy" man. You should rejoice, but no.....he sucks...maybe we should have hired you?


Go to bed Mac.

Now THAT's Sunday night comedy right there.

easy to see the misunderstanding. I was responding to dawgs4life who said he hated the pick,(in a post earlier in this thread), but accepted it.

I was responding to elaborate that it's early to call Colemans career start a failure.

But I opened by acknowledging that you had already posted " it's early" and so had beat me to it, to making the point.

Then asked Dawgs4life on what he'd have done regarding receivers, since he didn't like using that pick on Coleman.

I don't think the Browns use of analytics includes any analysis on injuries. I think the Browns would be perfectly content with giving a guy a big contract or drafting a guy high and them not playing very much.

And didn't Grigson replace Lake? How is that an addition of a football guy to the FO? Isn't that just replacing one football guy for another?

I don't know, nor do I care. Hue doesn't make the hires.

If Hue comes out and says he doesn't like the hire, I will worry about it, otherwise, it's a non starter.

Just because the guy wasn't a good GM doesn't mean we wasn't a good talent evaluator. Much like Phil Savage.

Surely you simply forgot to use purple...

I'm guessing it was Andrew Berry's responsibility to fill the vacant position on his scouting team, not Brown. I'm sure Brown was kept in the loop or even involved in the process, but I think the call was Berry's to hire Grigson or anyone else for that matter.

That's more likely the situation.

Hopefully when they publicly report it, you will apologize. lmao

Keep peddling that narrative of yours, Mac. No matter how false it is. Doesn't seem like Sashi would hire a "football guy" (fake term) just so he could report to Andrew Barry.

It's not really a fake term. Lawyers and numbers guys aren't football guys. People with NFL experience in recruiting, talent evaluation and coaching are football guys.

Being able to control your salary cap and writing contracts does not a football guy make.

Do you think I forgot to use purple?

Well, I see that a week's vacay with no internetz didn't make this thread disappear, lol.

LOL You expected it would?

I disagree, but hey, we got our football guy. He has years of experience. He's held a steady job being a football guy and moved up the ranks. You couldn't ask for more. He's a professional football guy.

Hey, I'm one who wants to give this FO and coaching staff a chance. I think they improved a lot from their first season to their second one.

I was simply pointing out that just because you're a great negotiator or great at writing contracts, that doesn't make you a football guy. You need all of those talents in your FO however. They all have their value and expertise.

What's a pip?

I try and educate myself instead of making biased statements. I have given the FO plenty of credit recently. I also told mac that the injuries to Coleman didn't belong in this thread. You ignore all that and post your usual one-sided opinions.

Are you calling Mark Kay a liar?

Did you not read that teams don't have to disclose injuries at this time of the year?

Are you denying that Coleman has had a history of soft-tissue injuries, including hamstring problem?

Why do you have label posters as "negative" when some of us are only trying to be objective?

What is "EDICATE?" Is that supposed to be etiquette or educate, or did you just make up a new word, professor?

Those dudes had some smooth moves.

Thanks for the compliment, tab.

Cleveland Browns: The loss of Terrelle Pryor hurts now more than ever

by Andrew Seibt
2 days ago

The recent injury suffered by Corey Coleman highlights the fact the Cleveland Browns may be missing Terrelle Pryor throughout the 2017 season.

In the eyes of most draft pundits, the Cleveland Browns have had a successful offseason on paper. Teams that are “winners” of the offseason rarely translate that into wins on the football field, but the Browns have shown the ability to prioritize locking up their homegrown talent in an effort to change the culture that festered for so many years prior.

There is one blemish, however, that has created a glaring need at a position that was perhaps the only bright spot of the team last year. And that is the failure to retain Terrelle Pryor.

Now I know there are specific details pertaining to both sides as to why an agreement never materialized, but the Browns playing hardball with their offers may have created an even bigger need for a wide receiver group that was average to begin with.

Corey Coleman has a lot to do with the lack of depth as well, as it has been widely reported that he will miss the remainder of OTAs due to injury.

After missing six games last year and an underwhelming rookie season, this is a player the Browns desperately need to be healthy this year. If Coleman ends up missing time during the year, it only intensifies the lack of depth even with the addition of Kenny Britt.

A lot of Coleman’s rookie season woes came with poor quarterback play, but even as the second option to Pryor he failed to meet the expectations of a No. 15 overall pick outside of the fantastic game against Baltimore in Week 2.

The wide receiver expectations went from the “triple threat” of Josh Gordon, Terrelle Pryor, and Corey Coleman in last year’s offseason to a now-injured Corey Coleman, solid veteran pickup in Kenny Britt, and unproven second-year guys. It remains to be seen which other young wide receiver will step up to pick up some of the slack left behind by Pryor.

At the time, I was okay with the departure of Pryor but the thinking was that there were multiple avenues to find another dynamic option at receiver. Britt was acquired and will play well, but he’s not Pryor. The Browns didn’t draft a wide receiver and didn’t replace Pryor’s over-the-top threat and their production at the position may suffer. My question to the front office is:

Was it really worth it?

After having three months to see how the team is shaping up, there has to be some belief that the Browns should have retained Pryor even if only on a one-year deal. This team has added some players on defense and might actually have some decent quarterback play, so why create another need when the team already had so many?

Corey Coleman has shown that he can’t stay healthy at this moment, and Kenny Britt is past the point of carrying an entire receiver group the way A.J. Green orAntonio Brown can, so in my mind it was a mistake to let Pryor walk.

There’s always the chance that the Browns can re-sign him next year and it’s something I’ll advocate for given their cap space, familiarity, and the fact that Pryor love playing for Hue Jackson. Pryor just needs to prove to the NFL that he can be the $16 million receiver he thought he would be this year in free agency.

Until then, the Browns need to find someone to bring some playmaking ability to this receiver group or maybe one of the sophomore guys can step up or it is going to be a long year in the passing game for the Browns.
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Damn, beat me to it

Mac, please look it up, they made him an offer for a long term contract. It was equal to what he received per year on a one year deal from the skins.

That isn't the FO's fault, that's the idiot players fault.

Nonsense. Complete nonsense.

IMHO, this is what happens when you draw a line in the sand during a "negotiation".

LOL............look at your first line and then look at the rest of your post.

Slow? No, I can even spell etiquette w/out looking it up. I also know that edicate is not phonetically correct. Nope, not slow at all.

I do get it.

Some of us were talking about Coleman's history of soft tissue injuries, which is indeed a fact, and then you came in and whined about being not taken seriously because you are a homer and then proceeded to call other posters "negative" and laughed at our perspective. There were no attacks until you started w/your usual nonsense.

This guy was seen leaving the Browns facility without a contract.

strange...and kinda weird looking fellow.

Pryor is there only because Washington's FO couldn't re-sign their own...His QB should have been getting better with their own!

The Redskins top two wide receivers are off to greener pastures. On Thursday, the official start of free agency, DeSean Jackson signed on with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Pierre Garcon hopped aboard with the San Francisco 49ers.

Will Brinson ✔ @WillBrinson

You can't ever guarantee the No. 1 pick in the NFL, but the Jets are taking the Browns to the woodshed right now.

not sure why, but this made me laugh.

Perhaps our FO is doing better than some think.