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Yes I agree, he is our #3 DE.

Who is our starting middle linebacker now? ... i had/have no idea ...

Tank Carder?

Most likely him or Schobert.

It doesn't matter.

Maybe it's just because I repressed November/December games of last year, but wasn't Tyrone Holmes much better than Johnson?

We cut Cam Johnson before the season started last year, he signed with the Cardinals (practice squad), and then we signed him back when we had a ton of injuries. I'd guess he is the first guy to be cut.

I remember noticing C Johnson more than Holmes...with neither being what I'd call 'noticeable'. FWIW

Johnson played 350 snaps last year, Holmes played 124. If I had to guess, I'd say neither makes the team.

Demario Davis thanks Cleveland, says the Browns are on their way to "shocking the world" in his farewell Instagram post

Thanks .. appearantly no one knows at this point ... *LOL* ...

j/c:

When we are in a 4-3, which won't be a high percentage of the time, I think we will play Collins at Mike and have Kirksey and Alexander on the outside. Not sure which one will be the Will or the Sam, at this point in time. Probably Alexander at Will and Kirksey at Sam. Alexander is fast and plays downhill well, but isn't very strong.

I could also see us never play a true 43 but play a safety as will or even play a 52 instead of 43. It becomes the question would you rather have pryor/kindred on the field, alexander/schobert or ogunjobi/ nassibs? Personally I'd go 52 most of the time

I could see it, but let's hope that doesn't happen.

I think you have this bass-ackward. To get this thread back on track, I thought I read that he was a FS in school? I think EO is right, put him back at his natural position.

No, I think Cal is right. Pryor's skills speak to a SS and not a FS. I hope we don't ever put him at FS.

Maybe Collins. Maybe Peppers of sorts, in a hybrid role. We are going to play a lot of nickel.

Agreed. I'm not sure how/why some are saying he's a FS. His NFL career thus far has been at SS, with some snaps at FS.

He's not an especially gifted SS either but he grades out better then Kindred or Campbell.

It makes sense to have him compete at FS due to how thin that spot is but I can't see him walking in the door as thee FS.

Thanks for posting that farewell from Davis. Classy exit!

very classy by davis

You might be surprised at what a year of pro training can do (that goes with the rest of last years addition's). The 4 man front if they are discipline in their gap control, should in theory keep the MLB clean.

I am less concerned with debating where our 3 best LBers end up, then putting the best 3 or 2 out there. Collins can play all 3 equally well, so I don't expect to see another playing out of position in our scheme. Naturally Alexander is the least experiance and still must prove that he belongs.

It's a mystery to some, but Hue can not hide his like of a player and he always mentions Alexander in discussing that group and that was with Davis still on the team. I think that the team has high expectations for the young man.

We have not had good fortune in drafting QB's, but we have had our fare share of UDFA that have surpassed expectations before.

Here is hoping that we found another.

I would like him at the Will. The dude can cover, has good speed, and plays well downhill.

Yes I agree, but so does Kirksey and Collins.

Can he also rush the passer?

If I remember it right, he had some good moments in pre-season last August.

I'm not really sure. He's pretty fast and plays well down hill. He got into the backfield a lot, but I don't think he had a lot of sacks.

Getting back to the trade though.

We added a veteran SS, that will give Peppers time to learn the position without the pressure of a time constraint and we give a young guy like Alexander a chance to earn his keep and saved a little cap room as a bonus.

I see some fore thought in making this trade. Being proactive, rather then the pattern of being reactive in the past.

I don't know how many sacks he's had but yeah, I agree. I believe his "strengths" are playing in the box and coming off the edge.

Looks like he's racked up an enormous supply one half a sack since his 2014 tenure.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9438/calvin-pryor

I'm sorry, but I was talking about Alexander. I thought that was who Fl was asking me about, but maybe not??? LOL

j/c

Plutos article this week, divided into four parts: Pryor, Brock, OTAs & FO.

ABOUT THE DAVIS DEAL

1. The moment the Browns traded linebacker DeMario Davis to the Jets for safety Calvin Pryor, I had the same question as many Browns fans: Who plays middle linebacker? Right now, the answer is probably Tank Carder. But put an asterisk next to that.

2. I'm hearing Gregg Williams plans to use a lot of "nickel" defenses, meaning five defensive backs and two linebackers. The defensive coordinator has two quick linebackers in Jamie Collins and Kirksey. He wants to let them loose to make plays.

3. A key will be finding enough good defensive backs. Pryor comes to the Browns much like Jamar Taylor did a year ago. Taylor was written off by Miami, despite being a second-round pick in 2013. The Browns helped him regain some confidence, and he became a very viable defensive back. In fact, the Browns signed Taylor to a three-year, $16 million extension -- $5 million guaranteed.

4. Pryor was a first-round pick by the Jets in 2014. He started 38 games in three seasons, including 15 in 2016. But he struggled so much, leading the Jets to draft a pair of safeties. Profootballfocus rated 90 safeties last season, and Pryor clocked in at a discouraging No. 74.

5. For what it's worth, the Browns had two safeties rated lower than Pryor: Derrick Kindred (81) and Ibraheim Campbell (85). Both were given chances to start a few games last season, and both had major problems.

6. The Browns highest-rated safety in 2016 was Ed Reynolds (46). His assignment was to stop all the deep passes being thrown over the secondary, and he did a decent job of that in his seven starts at the end of the season. He played very deep, but kept those receivers in front of him.

7. The Browns drafted Jabrill Peppers with plans of making him a strong safety. He split time at Michigan between linebacker and safety, it was nearly 50/50. The Browns consider safety to be wide open.


8. My guess is Williams will use a lot of four-man fronts, something I like. At linebacker, they have Kirksey and Collins as designated starters. I don't think they will move Kirksey to middle linebacker, but some NFL people believe he can play there. Profootballfocus ranked Kirksey No. 4 among all linebackers against the run.

9. Joe Schobert impressed some coaches early in 2016 and the rookie from Wisconsin even started four games. He fell out of favor, playing mostly on special teams. He is an outside linebacker, so perhaps he can help.

10. The Browns didn't say it, but Davis lacked the speed they wanted at linebacker. They thought Pryor is worth the gamble because the price was so low.

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JC...All I know about Pryor is he can lay a lick...has coverage issues, and will wiff tackles...Not sure how much an upgrade if any he provides. But I guess it is what it is.

Oops. My bad!

It's not ideal to have your highest rated safety be in the 40s league wide. That is something that must change

I was.