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It suits your agenda well when you break it down to a single unit rather than a team perspective.

You act like an entire roster can be rebuilt in two off seasons. Sometimes you make a point. This isn't one of those times.

Up in the air yet. We still need to see how last year's rookies develop. To this point 2-3 with the potential to jump to a 5 if coleman gets healthy and performs like I think he can and one of the other recently drafted players becomes okay. Also a chance to drop to a zero if coleman cannot get healthy and none of those other guys becomes even an okay Wr.


Your turn mac. I answered your question honestly. Your turn to answer mine. At this point in the "2 year effort" what grade would you give this front office to fill the needs at defensive end?

For their effort and by that by itself I give them a 5-6 year one they drafted receivers and developed one from a QB year 2 they made a reasonable effort to keep Pryor but he got greedy so the picked up Britt when the opportunity presented itself. I believe they could have done more but that would have left other areas of greater need lacking.

So based on effort alone 5-6.

Without knowing how last years receivers will perform this year. How can one submit a grade? We saw how much an off-season helped Pryor improved.

Inconsistencies at the QB position also makes grading difficult.

We tried to win evey game we played. We never played to lose.

I was at Cafe Tuscano the other day, I went back into the kitchen and sampled the fresh batch of sauce they were making,,, it was awful... The chef slapped me upside the head and said, you idiot, can you at least wait until it's done before judging.

Having said that, the grade I give them is incomplete. We have bodies there. Some seem to have promise, one in particular has great promise but needs to stay healthy.

Britt is a proven product. He'll produce for us and be fine. Coleman can produce but again, health?

The rest of them are a crap shoot.

Do we count Duke, DeValve and Njoko? If so, it's a bit better.

I know this doesn't fit your desired Narrative but, it's what I think.

Oh by the way, it's not been 2 years. It's been 1.5 years.

I also think it should be pointed out, they may not be done yet. Maclin is still out there, Decker might be soon. Who knows who else is out that they can still pick up.

So just like the Chef at Cafe Tuscano in Aurora, don't judge until it's done.

I agree, but I don't have a crystal ball like some do.

Name a team [players] and coaching staff that didn't have the same approach.

I can't. At least on a season basis. I suppose one could point to a last game where a team possibly didn't give the bext effort, and even then it is pretty questionable.

You're right.

I was trying to subtly point out that there can be a difference in how a FO approaches a season compared to how the coaching staff and players approach that very same season.

I am not dissing the Browns or any other team. I am just saying that the approaches between different parts of the team can be different.

No doubt. The FO is charged with making the moves that best set the foundation for future success. They really need to view things in a 5 year scope.

The coaching staff is charged with success on a game by game basis. They can't be thinking 3-4-5 years down the road. They have to be thinking next game on the schedule.

In many cases, those timelines never meet. In this case, I think both the FO and the coaching staff are pretty much on the same timeline. Both are going to see success or both will be shown the door in another 2-3 seasons.

Says the man who openly admits he only sees one side of everything. lmao

Ditto...and not ashamed to state it.

Now that I'm not. To me, a rainbow is something you see after a rain, not on a flag.

Admitting you're a homer is admitting you see things from only one side. Nothing wrong with that but quit trying to act like being a homer doesn't admit your bias. You can't have it both ways Tabber.

Momma is calling you. It's time for dinner. lol

j/c....If the Browns FO, coaches, and players purposely tanked the season last year with no clear cut #1 QB to choose from. They're bigger idiots than any of us ever thought, including Mac.

I think many think it is all about QB. My view is the FO see picking a QB as a risk, no matter how high unless it is that once in 20 years guy. I don't think they plan to ever take a QB all that high. The odds say no. I think they are going to keep tossing horseshoes at 2nd and 3rd rounders until one pans out. Last year it was Kessler. This year we selected Kiser.

Not a bad plan IMO. If you take one high in the draft, you are married to the pick for 4-5 years. Keep taking one in the 2nd round, the cost is much less and you can afford to walk away after a few years. Sooner or later you are going to get a decent QB. In the mean time, you keep building your team with 1st round picks who can help the team. The odds of making a good 1st round selection of a non-QB is much better than hitting on a QB. Lot's of 1st round QB busts as a percentage to other position busts. Not that other position players don't bust, but on the whole, they still end up pretty good players even if they don't live up to draft position hype. Gerrard Warren is a good example. He never lived up to the 3rd overall pick, but he still started for multiple teams over near 15 years. That isn't what I would call a bust. Tim Couch was a bust.

The new sheriff in town brings a new way of doing business. I like it.

Report: Browns 'have done some work' on Eric Decker

http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Browns-have-done-some-work-on-Eric-Decker-53194925

Could Cleveland make a move on a free agent wide receiver?

The Cleveland Browns reportedly had an interest in wide receiver Jeremy Maclin before he signed with the rival Baltimore Ravens.

However, it sounds like the interest was little more than exploratory. Executive Vice President of Football Operations Sashi Brown appears to be doing his due diligence on another free agent wide receiver per Albert Breer of MMQB.

"Free-agent receiver Eric Decker visited Nashville on Wednesday and would be a good fit there. Another team to keep an eye on here is the Browns, who have done some work on the ex-Jet."

Decker, who has a home in Nashville, took a visit to the Tennessee Titans this week. He left without a deal.

Last season, the Minnesota product recorded nine receptions for 194 yards and two touchdowns in three games. He was a third-round draft choice of the Denver Broncos in 2010. He played four seasons in Denver before spending the last three seasons with the New York Jets. Prior to this past season, the 30-year old had missed just four games in his career.

Yes, please!

Eric would be an instant great addition to the WR room. Instant!

I wouldn't mind Decker.

Groom who we have.

Louis looks good!

Adam Greenfield @agreenfield44

@MaryKayCabot why is Jabrill peppers not signed yet?? #Browns
10:24 AM - 23 Jun 2017


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Hey, Adam: When first-round picks remain unsigned, it usually deals with offset language in the contract. Peppers' representatives are likely trying to avoid offset language, which would mean that if he signs with another team before his four-year deal is up here, he'd still make his fully guaranteed money from the Browns plus whatever the new team pays him. Offset language enables the original team to pay only the difference.

The Browns do not want to include offset language. No. 1 pick Myles Garrett did not receive it on his $30.4 million contract. That tight end David Njoku signed recently means he probably also did not secure an offset clause. The numbers for Peppers, the No. 25 pick, are pretty well set at about $10.3 million with about a $5.6 million signing bonus. The Browns are of course hoping they can reach a deal before the start of training camp July 27th.

I think she worded that wrong.

Because according to what she said. Both the Browns and Peppers agents are trying to "avoid" offset language. There would be no problem.

The agents WANT offset language.

How he heck did we get Garret signed without it? That's what held up Bosa, the #3 pick lasted year?

Since the draft is closed I figured this was the best place to put this. Nothing new but still nice to read positive stories about the Browns from non Cleveland sources for a change.

WHO WON THE 2017 NFL DRAFT
Posted: June 3, 2017 | 0 comments

OK, I have been waiting and pondering the 2017 Draft for over a month now. I refuse to give grades any longer, and have already proclaimed to you the teams I feel failed to do what they needed to in April. I even declared the winners of the URFA scramble. But I cannot postpone the inevitable forever. I feel like I owe you dear readers/followers the positive side of the coin. Who did the most? Who was the best? Who may have improved their roster the most?

I am pleased to announce that it was the team that needed the most help. It was a team that had the Draft ammunition to help itself. It is the team that didn’t panic or get too cute on Draft weekend? It was the team that should now be about a year away from contending for a Play-Off spot. It was the CLEVELAND BROWNS!!!

The team’s brain trust played around a little bit, “working the Draft” early on after their Pick at 12 was devalued by DA BEARS trading up to get TRUBISKY. But as the saying goes, all is well that ends well. I do think it should be noted that the team may not look all that fortified in September. Many of their top selections do not look ready to me to take the lead out of the starting gate. But the talent is undeniable. We will now find out how strong the Browns coaching staff is at developing and coaching-up quality athletes.

Count me among the folks who think that former Aggie MYLES GARRETT is going to be the next VON MILLER. But that likely means it will be a couple of seasons before he hits his stride and starts going to Pro Bowls. I also think he will have to learn how to keep his motor running 100% of the time. My film study indicates that he does indeed take plays off, especially when the ball goes away from him. Great players cannot do that. And of course he will have to learn how to drop into LB coverage at times.
DAVID NJOKU/TE is as raw as can be, but also super talented. He is EVAN ENGRAM in a full sized NFL body. I’m not sure I agree with cutting GARY BARNIDGE loose right away to make room for NJOKU, but as long as he is accepting coaching then he might as well learn on the field, not on the bench. There is no reason, barring injury, that he cannot be full-sized JORDAN REED/TE effective.
The biggest challenge , again for the coaching staff, may be finding a specific spot for JABRILL PEPPERS in an NFL Defense. The bad news is there is serious question about his ball awareness as a S. But the good news is that traditional defensive positions in the NFL are becoming a thing of the past. PEPPERS is likely best served if the BROWNS, now under the guidance of DC GREGG WILLIAMS, can develop a position for PEPPERS as the Cardinals have tried to do with DEONE BUCANNON as a hybrid in-the-box SS most of the time. Watch this player carefully, but remember “patience” will be key in judging him.

The team got their potential “franchise QB” in Round 2, in the form of another Ohio native, DASHONE KIZER/QB. I said several months ago that I felt KIZER had the best long range potential of all the 2017 Draft QB prospects. Now it is time for HUE JACKSON to prove he is a QB Guru. But it seems that KIZER is not likely to be counted on for much in 2017, out on the grass. This is really solid draft value in Round 2. Look for a dry run at the helm for KIZER late in the season if the team is headed for another 10-Loss season.

The team got some much needed help for their DL group with LARRY OGUNJOBI & CALEB BRANTLEY. It looks even better with BRANTLEY being cleared of charges in a bar fight incident just before the Draft. He’ll be watched closely, but if he stays clean off the field these two players could represent a big boost to the DL rotation for WILLIAMS. Both of these guys lay with explosion and can penetrate the backfield from inside positions.

I am of the opinion that the team may have resolved a revolving door situation at Place Kicker with the addition of ZANE GONZALEZ in Round 7. GONZALEZ was an accurate kicker his entire career for the Sun Devils and managed to increase his range in 2017, hitting 7 of 9 kicks from over 50-yards. His leg appears strong enough to also handle kick-offs. In college 75% of his kick-offs went for touchbacks. NFL teams need that kind of work in their kicking game to win the close games many weekends each Fall.

Many folks are skeptical (to put it mildly) of 5th Round Pick RODERICK JOHNSON/OT/FSU. He has some technique flaws to clean up, and must also learn to give it his all on every down, but the size and athleticism are there. His 36″ arm length makes most OL coaches drool. He started as a Freshman and twice was voted ACC OL of the year. He needs more beef on his long frame, but could be ready in a couple of years to take over for JOE THOMAS, who can’t play forever despite his great career.

I was absolutely flabbergasted that RB/MATTHEW DAYES/NC STATE was not taken until Round 7. He is a hard charging short guy, who can block and catch the ball. He stands just under 5’9″ tall, and yet caught 98 balls for his career. He’s quicker than fast, and should make an excellent compliment to the present RB duo of CROWELL/JOHNSON.

HOWARD WILSON/CB/HOUSTON may have long range stater potential, but an early injury in Rookie mimi-camp may cause this to be a write off year for him. He recorded 15 PBU and 5 INT in 2016 for the Cougars, but has very little starting experience. A year, or partial year on a reserve list, could serve him well in the long run. Also served as a ‘gunner’ on Special Teams coverage units.

This team is on the right track. If they can develop this Rookie group for big time results in 2018, and then parlay another good Draft effort in 2018 they may be able to contend by next season. They should also be able to improve during the 2017 season and be a spoiler come December. Hang in there BROWNS fans, good things may be on the horizon. Now the most pressure has switched on to the coaching staff to develop the talent from the past two really solid drafts.

http://gbnreport.com/pigskin-pauls-page/

Well, you don't have to worry about Scooby Wright, he got snagged off the pactice squad by Arizona.

jc...

PFT preseason power rankings No. 31: Cleveland Browns

Posted by Josh Alper on July 10, 2017, 3:00 PM EDT
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The Browns have taken the bottom rung in plenty of preseason, in-season and postseason power rankings in recent years, but that’s not where they find themselves in PFT’s rankings this summer.

They are No. 31, which isn’t where you’d want to be but it’s still a nice change for the Browns to have someone to look down on. Their chances of shooting higher up in the rankings will hinge on finally answering their eternal quarterback question.

Cody Kessler, Brock Osweiler and second-round pick DeShone Kizer are this year’s options under center, which offers some intriguing possibilities but little certainty that the search is ending this year. The good news for the Browns is that their stockpiling of draft picks, including three first-round selections this year, has led to more talent around the quarterbacks.

Biggest positive change: That increase in talent should be noticeable on both the offensive and defensive lines this year. First overall pick Myles Garrett gives the Browns a major piece to build around at defensive end and the team drafted two other defensive linemen to go with four others drafted in 2015 and 2016. On the other side of the ball, adding right guard Kevin Zeitler and center JC Tretter in free agency and extending left guard Joel Bitonio gives the Browns a stronger group to go with left tackle Joe Thomas.

Biggest negative change: It’s fair to wonder how much negative change a 1-15 team can experience, but Cleveland spent a lot of time working with Terrelle Pryor as he transitioned to wide receiver over the last two years and his 77 catches for 1,007 yards were a bright spot last season. They won’t reap any other rewards, however, as Pryor jumped to Washington as a free agent and the Browns will lean on Corey Coleman and Kenny Britt at wideout instead.

Coaching thermometer: The Browns have not shown much patience with their coaches of late, but Hue Jackson starts his second year without much heat under his seat. That won’t remain the case if the team’s search for a long-term answer at quarterback continues to be a fruitless one, but the Browns have embraced a longer view than they have in some time and Jackson is central to it.

We’d like to crack a beer with … Joe Thomas. Thomas has been through 10 seasons of losing with the Browns while playing for six head coaches and blocking for myriad quarterbacks. That’s a lot of fodder for stories and Thomas has the kind of personality that suggests they’d be good ones.

How they can prove us wrong: If the offensive line gels as hoped, the Browns should be able to run the ball and take some pressure off that quarterback group. Put that with a defense that follows new coordinator Gregg Williams’ history by improving in his first season with a team and the Browns could be playing a lot of close games in 2017. Get a few to break their way and the Browns will be looking a lot better in the final set of power rankings.

I expect no one will be all that shocked with that prediction.

I posted this article on Pluto's 7 win season thread at about the same time you posted it here. I think it fits better there and believe you are using it as another reason to criticize the FO.

Am I wrong about that?

I am .... who is #32?

Only my belief or my take on these guys. I'd take that sort of draft most years and it's light years ahead of most drafts we have had.

Its got to be the J-E-T-S- .. JETS JETS JETS!!!

A bump after 9 days. Way to go.