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Boston gets their guy (Josh Jackson) and gets more assets. Isaiah Thomas also gets his $200 million

I think the Celtics are taking Tatum. The Lakers might take Jackson.

Report: Cavs interested in George even without promise he'll re-sign
https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1320944

If the Pacers are trading Paul George they are rebuilding. If they are rebuilding they don't need Kevin Love. That makes me think a third team gets involved and swoops on Love.

I wonder what we could get by trading Lebron?

That is more of a discussion point rather than a call to trade him. Could we build around Kevin and Kyrie?

if he goes to any team in the East, then it will be a complete waste of time trying to build around kyrie. we won't be getting anywhere until lebron retires.

'Sources: Paul George tells Pacers he plans to leave franchise, prefers joining Lakers'

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-paul-ge...-191520531.html

All-Star forward Paul George has informed the Indiana Pacers that he plans to become a free agent in the summer of 2018 and will leave the franchise – preferably for the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources told The Vertical.

George hasn’t requested a trade before he can opt out of his 2018-19 contract, but did have his agent, Aaron Mintz, tell new Indiana president of basketball operations Kevin Pritchard that he wanted to be forthright on his plans and spare the franchise any confusion about his intentions, league sources told The Vertical.

In the past 24 hours, Pritchard has become more aggressive in pursuing trades for George, league sources told The Vertical. Pritchard has yet to show an inclination to engage the Lakers, but has discussed deals with several teams – including Cleveland – in which the expectation of teams would be that George is a “one-year rental.” The Cavaliers are devoid of the kind of young players and future picks that Indiana might want in return for George, and George has never mentioned the Cavaliers as an intriguing destination.

It is unclear how robust offers to Indiana will ultimately be, given that teams believe he will sign with the Lakers next summer. So far, Indiana is asking for a substantial package of talent and draft picks for George, league sources said. Discussions could extend until Thursday’s NBA draft – or beyond.

George can sign a four-year deal worth as much as $130 million with Los Angeles next year. George is a Southern California native and playing for the Lakers would represent a homecoming for him.

George plans to play out the 2017-18 season with Indiana, but wants to give the organization the chance to plan appropriately for its future – which George told the team won’t include him, league sources said.

George’s desire to join the Lakers has massive repercussions on the free-agent market in 2018. Under president Magic Johnson and general manager Rob Pelinka, George would represent the first NBA star in years to choose the Lakers in free agency. As Los Angeles’ management reshapes its roster, George could be a lure to recruit other top available players to the Lakers.

Between then and now, the pressure will mount for the Pacers to formulate a trade with the Lakers in the near future, because the risk of losing a star of George’s stature for nothing next summer is potentially devastating. If management takes George at his word about wanting to join the Lakers in 2018, it may be cornered into making the best possible trade it can with Los Angeles now, squeezing whatever value out of the Lakers that Indiana can acquire in a deal for George.

The Pacers could bring back young players – such as forward Julius Randle, for example – and future draft assets to make a deal for George now, if the two teams are so inclined.

Nevertheless, the Lakers can create the necessary salary-cap space to sign George next summer and won’t be compelled to make a dramatic offer to Indiana now.

Indiana’s ability to find a trade for George elsewhere has become increasingly limited, if not crippled, because NBA teams believe that it’s George’s intention to eventually sign with the Lakers as a free agent in 2018.

Because George wasn’t named to an All-NBA team this spring, Indiana lost out on the chance to offer him a five-year, $207 million Designated Player Veteran Exception. Indiana can offer George a five-year, $177 million extension.

George, 27, averaged 23.7 points, 6.6 rebounds and 3.3 assists in 2016-17, leading Indiana to the Eastern Conference playoffs. The Pacers lost a first-round series to the Cleveland Cavaliers in four games. George is a four-time All-Star and one of the best two-way players in the world. He was part of the 2016 USA Olympic gold medal team, just two years after suffering a broken leg.

The Pacers’ inability to maintain a contending roster has played a part in George’s belief that he has a better chance for championship contention by joining the Lakers, league sources said. After reaching the Eastern Conference finals in consecutive years – 2013 and 2014 – the Pacers have slowly had a talent drain that included the decline and loss of Roy Hibbert and the departures of David West and George Hill. George had a close relationship with the architect of those Pacers teams, Larry Bird, who recently stepped down as team president to become a franchise consultant.

All this talk about Paul George...where do they think he's going to play? Going to move the shorter lebron to PF? then who's going to rebound since Love will be gone? I don't see how PG13 gets us past GS..our bench will have to be improved for that, our starting 5 Sans TT would suffice if we could find a defensive rim protector and move TT to the bench.. I think that would strengthen the bench considerably.

All we need is a 3 way trade with New Orleans.

So our starting 5 can be

PG: LeBron
SG: Kyrie
SF: George
PF: Love
C: Cousins

I'd buy that for a dollar

Seriously though if I'm trading love, Boogie would be one of the few I'd be ok with that trade. He would be a huge asset against GS

If we're going that far, lets add the Bucks as a 4th team so we can get back Delly and add Giannis Antetokounmpo too.

Actually, maybe it would be better to send TT to the Warriors for Curry, KD and Green? We get stronger and they get weaker.

I've cracked the code people. I'll call Grif to see if it checks out.



Okay, kidding aside. This whole Kevin for PG thing is getting more traction, at least within the media. They are saying the Cavs and Pacers have talked. I suppose there could be a trade, but yeah, why would the Pacers want Kevin if they're going to start a rebuild? There would need to be a 3rd team to take Kevin, but then the Pacers would need a high draft pick coming back. The only teams in the draft that are close to winning, have a high enough pick to make it worth the Pacers time and would want/need Kevin are the top three (Boston, Lakers and 76ers). But I don't think they'd give up a Top 3 talent for 2 years of Kevin.

Soooooooo......no deal.

I at least stay within NBA cap trading guidelines...

You're just being silly...

I don't think a Love for PG trade will happen. I don't think it makes sense for either team.

I think Love fits in well w/the Cavs. LeBron and Kyrie demand the ball a lot. I don't think PG or Melo would want to be the third option.

I think we should stick w/the most of this roster. It would be great if we could get a backup center who is a rim protector and rebounder. Add that piece and make a huge commitment to being a very good defensive team and this roster has plenty of talent to challenge for the title.

Well, adding KD to the mix was going over the top. But take him out and:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7ztxcgd

I think Love for Cousins actually helps both teams.

Kevin next to Anthony Davis? Solid pair. I think the Davis/Cousins setup is overkill and doesn't actually work as well..

I think it's a 0% chance of happening also.

I know we want to get better. But swapping out one of the big 3 for PG IMO doesn't make us "that much" better.

If Indys just in fire sale mode. Sure. You can have a bunch of picks in like 2022 or whatever.

Maybe spend the next few years teaching Iman Shumpert how to handle a basketball while you wait for those picks.

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Sign more vets for the bench. Hope they play well.

Play up to your potential.

Do the best you can.

I believe that the best this team can do next season. Is win another NBA title. Regardless of "how good" GS is. I think we can beat them. I think we could of this year. We just played like crap for two games. And didn't finish two others.

Is there talk of a Love for Cousins trade? Is NO looking to trade Cousins?

I think you make a good point about Love fitting better w/Davis than Cousins. I just hadn't heard anything about this. Then again, I haven't been following the NBA talk, except for on here, since the Finals ended.

Okay, so I'm softening my stance on this a tiny bit. I still don't think a deal is really possible, but it might be more plausible than before. PG coming out and saying that he's going to the Lakers in a year really just dumped the market value for the Pacers. The only people who would want to trade for him now would be a team willing to do a one-year rental (Us or maybe the Spurs/Clippers/Rockets) or the Lakers. The Lakers have already come out and said that they have no desire to trade for him, since they're in a rebuilding year anyway, and would probably benefit from another PG-less tank season. So that leaves the first option.

I don't know that the Spurs really care to give up picks for a one-year rental, but if they wanted to, they could easily out-bid anything we could offer because they actually have first round picks to offer. I think the Rockets and Clips are in a similar position to us. Although, the Warriors could trade their 2019 first rounder just to block us. There is still the problem of matching salaries though.

A third team could make things interesting though. If someone is really high on 2-years of Kevin Love, then MAYBE they throw some draft picks into the mix to make it interesting for Indiana? Maybe the fact that they know PG is gone after a year, but Kevin Love might be willing to stay is enough for that third team to gamble on it? Who's in a position to trade for Kevin Love now and give up draft picks for it? The best I could think of would be the Celtics, and I can't see them possibly making that move.

LOL

Again, I'm calling the Cavs hotline. If the ESPN Trade Macine says it's possible, I say do it.

As for the Kevin-for-Demarcus suggestion, I haven't heard a peep about that and there's probably a good reason why too. The Pelicans JUST got him.

It would be funny to see Cousins on the Cavs. We'd either win the NBA title or get swept in the first round because every player is fighting with each other over his attitude.

Nah. Just pipe dreaming.

So KD is opting out, planning on resigning with GS. Let's see how pissed the NBAPA gets at how much he accepts.

If I was KD. With all this legacy talk. Etc.

I'd opt out.

Then sign a vet minimum deal with Washington.

Run through the east.

And then show everyone GS ain't crap without you.

That's vindication. 100%.

j/c:

Report: Cavaliers Working On Multi-Team Trade For Jimmy Butler

In a tweet sent out by ESPN’s Marc Stein late Monday afternoon, the report states that the Cleveland Cavaliers are working to acquire Chicago Bull’s all-star Jimmy Butler.



Butler is a 3x All-Star, made the 2017 All-NBA team, is a 3x All-Defensive team member, and won the 2014-15 Most Improved player award.

In 76 games this past NBA season, Butler average 23.9 points per game, 6.2 rebounds, and 5.5 assists a game.

Previous reports hinted that Cleveland would make a move for Pacers’ all-star Paul George, who informed Indiana he won’t re-sign after the 2017-18 season.

In the middle of all this, the Cavaliers are still working on a contract for GM David Griffin.

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2017/06/19...r-jimmy-butler/

As long as we aren't just shuffling deck chairs around.

If they find a way to ADD more talent. As opposed to just REPLACING it...

Then do your thing.

My thoughts exactly.

So if that happens, does Jr move to coming off the bench?

Or is that 3 way trade mean he's probably gone

Remembering June 19, 2016

Mr. Big Shot... calling the shots?

Eh.

j/c:



https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/876942662145683456

David Griffin leaving seems like a big deal, but as long as LeBron is around it doesn't really matter much (meaning they will be good no matter what).

Hiring Chauncey Billups as Griffin's replacement is weird. I don't know if I would want someone with no experience running a championship team.

What a weird team.



https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/876948590207291392

Mine too. If we had more bench points (and the points Love shoulda provided in three, if not four of those 5 games) who knows what the outcome is?

I think losing Griffin is a big deal. The guy made a lot of savvy moves each year for the Cavs. I was skeptical at first, but he won me over w/his trades and mid-season acquisitions.

Chauncey Billips? Man, that is a head-scratcher.

I agree, he did work some magic, but isn't Windorst the guy that nobody trusts?

Here is my dream starting 5.

PG: Kyrie
SG: George
SF: LeBron
PF: Love
C: Valanciunas

edit: foreshadowing?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BSb2O7Zh1V2/?taken-by=kingjames&hl=en

Griffin loss is pretty significant IMO. Not sure the direction now

You are living in a dream world. Might as well have Anthony Davis at center.

https://twitter.com/mcten/status/876950011149471744

The only good thing about Dan Gilbert is that he is willing to spend money. He seems like a horrible leader and is lucky that LeBron was born near Cleveland

I know. But with that roster, do we beat GS?

I actually find this tweet more interesting.

"Per source familiar w/ breakdown, Griffin removed himself from consideration when it became clear his vision for CLE didn't match Gilbert's."

https://twitter.com/mcten/status/876947577446576130

Probably not. Why Jonas? If you are literally just making a dream team, why not pick someone else?