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No, I just said cancers are reproducing cells. I mean, I wasn't going to get into the whole nuts and bolts about how all animal cells reproduce, because it'd go over 40's head, so I just wanted to give him one example. I know you cons never want to talk numbers or science so feel free to not respond.

I agree with what should be, but that doesn't really change what reality is. We have to deal with what is, not what should be.

And that's the point here. On a personal level, I'm against abortion. On the other hand, I'm against denying people the right to choose if society isn't willing to make sure those children aren't well cared for.

People can't call themselves pro life if they wish to cut things like Medicaid, food stamps, and social programs. That's pro birth. Once they're born, you're not willing to help take care of those children.

Often times they're born into abject poverty, a criminal element and drug abuse. So if all people care about is that they're born, why not just tell it like it is and call it pro birth?

Don't back down CHS, CELLS ARE CELLS! A fetus is not a baby until it's born, when there is a heartbeat or brain activity, or at a certain stage of development; that's all up for debate. Until then it is a clump of cells and if they died would either be absorbed back into the body or discharged vaginally.

Sometime after we had just barely crawled out of caves, some superstitious zealot scribbled go forth and multiply (words to the effect anyway), now modern conservatives want to make laws governing women's bodies like old school puritans and their virginity test based on that thinking!

There is nothing in the world more beautiful and pure than a newborn baby, but there are also 7 BILLION of us crawling around the planet destroying everything and using up the finite resources at a staggering unsustainable rate. Why in the world would we want to force a person to bring a new life into this world against their will?

Add to that the fact that our corporate masters have made us reliant on money and control everything down to the water we drink causing immeasurable suffering amongst the very poor and unwanted children of the world. Is forcing that pregnancy to term really the best idea in this situation?

Now a wanted and loved child can bring joy to the world now matter how poor the parents might be, yet I see all kinds of conservatives crying about the fact that these are not their kids so why should they be forced to contribute to raising them in anyway (many of the same people calling the left baby killers)... They sure are righteous on Sunday but not so much on Tax Day.

One of my daughters, while living with her mom (my horrible ex) got pregnant at 16 and was sent to live with me so I could deal with it. This was her decision to make not mine, I took her to a planned parenthood where they discussed becoming a mother with her in detail, informed her of her options and upon her request referred her to a clinic that does abortions. She went to the clinic for information and counseling, they were neutral yet informative and urged her to take time to think about it. She did think about it and decided to have the baby. She had him just after she turned 17.

Her boyfriend bailed as soon as the baby was born, leaving her to deal with raising him on her own. My wife and I helped her with raising him though, and he was very loved. She moved out a little after turning 18 and getting a GED (she had dropped out of school while pregnant) and he lived with us for 3 more years while she got her life together. Then he went to live with her.

Today he is 12, the oldest of my nine grandchildren and because of our time bonding with him as an infant/toddler, probably our dearest (obviously we love them all). I would just die if anything ever happened to him and I'm so thankful she made the decision she made!

With that said, and I've thought about this in great detail many times, I would not have missed him had I never known him. Had she decided to get an abortion, it would have been just a medical procedure.

One of my daughters and my daughter-in-law both had early term (first trimester) miscarriages. We were sad for them and felt horrible, but even the 'christians' in our lives said it was meant to be without batting an eye for the unknown infant (fetus). I never knew this to be a person, never bounced them on my knee, never watched them sleep, never heard them take a breath or their hearts beating... They were not really people, they were a clump of cells on it's way to becoming people.

If a person has a wart, a tumor, a lump, a disease, or anything else that is causing negative or unwanted effects in their lives, they can cut it out with no issues. These are also living clumps of cells, they are not on there way to becoming a person but are still cells. The have no personality and you can't bounce them on your knee so they can be cut out. Early term pregnancies are a clump of cells, period.

That's the science and the morality of the subject from my personal experiences and point of view.

They are taking care of their families, working hard, and paying taxes to support those children who end up in foster care.



Some tough years just like kids who's parents pass away, kids whose parents get hooked on drugs, or booze, kids who's parents develop mental illnesses. GEE maybe we should just murder all those kids too.



You mean a chance to experience one of the greatest things a person ever gets to? To love and raise a child you brought into this world. That's a blessing not a curse.



The child is not DOOMED to a life of pure suffering. In your opinion these folks should have been murdered in the womb

http://www.fosterfocusmag.com/famous-foster-kids

https://www.fosterclub.com/category/article-type/foster-to-famous

Ask any of those folks if they wish their mother would have murdered them before they wore born.



If you really feel that way then you should be all for women being able to change their mind and murder their three month old baby,or 1 year old baby, or 5 year old child. I mena what gives you the right to tell others that they have to ruin their lives by forcing them to keep those kids. I mean what if they suddenly realize that they don't want to be held responsible for the suffering to come for their five year old. Hell if you feel that way why would you see anything wrong with them drowning there kid, or shooting them, or chopping them up into little pieces?



Let me ask you this bro.

Lets say a man/woman jumps in the water and saves a drowning child. Do you believe most people would call that person a hero? Now let me ask you this, would you bash that person for not devoting the rest of their life, and money to raise that same child even though the child already has parents?

In a perfect world, yes it should.. but, NEWSFLASH - young people and poor people get horny too... and they don't always make the most responsible decisions (probably one of the reasons they are that poor in the first place)....

So, while I know a lot of churches that do a lot of good with the poor and single moms and child adoption, etc... people are going to get pregnant that don't want (or can't take care of) kids... so if anybody wants to advocate for changing the abortion law, then there needs to be an accompanying plan of what to do with the babies that will be born that are:

Unwanted
Unhealthy
Hooked on drugs
Disabled
Etc..

Good God, another post defending murder of the helpless.

All because their life may be hard.

Even the most mentally retarded person can feel the sun on their face and a cool breeze on their skin, which will bring a smile to their faces.

Why are you so quick to deny them even that part of life?

You totally have no idea what point I was trying to make. I'm not for denying them that simple part of life.. just asking who is going to feed them, clothe them, care for them, love them, give them some kind of education as they grow up so one day they can enjoy feeling the sun on their face.

You cannot advocate for requiring these children be born while at the same time cutting all of the programs that would care for them...

No, I advocate for the fact that murdering the unborn as an answer to poverty or neglect is the thinking of sick minds.

Plenty of people were born into poverty and neglect and made something of themselves, adding good to the human race.

Give them a chance.

So you refuse to address the point DC is making. Nothing new here.

For every one that you can show me that did that, I can show you 50 that remained in poverty and neglect and ended up dead, in jail, or continuing the cycle of poverty.

You seem to be of the mindset that I'm advocating for abortion, which if you knew me, you would know is the farthest thing from the truth.. what I'm advocating for is options or alternatives to it.. which you don't seem to want to discuss.

I will not discuss or even consider what I see as blatant murder as an answer to money/poverty/hard life problems.

Find solutions to poverty.
Find solutions to irresponsible parenting.
Find solutions to drug addiction.
Find solutions to abuse and neglect.

But stop killing the unborn for the sake of the one good over your 50 bad.

(However, I do acknowledge your anti abortion efforts over the years)

Obviously you care more about your money than finding ways to solve the issues you just rattled off.

(No, abortion isn't the solution)

#40NeedsGreed

Any who, looks to me like Trump is getting ready to abort Kim jong il.
Meeting with South Korea today.

This is going to be very hard to do if you oppose government funding and involvement in actually solving those problems.

Not if Trump is successful in growing our economy and creating enough jobs to lift people out of poverty.

You understand such jobs require good education, and ample preparation? Along with enough support to furnish the possibility of obtaining skills.

Manufacturing jobs aren't coming back. No one is taking the dirt paying jobs that undocumented immigrants worked at, either; talk to your corporate overlords to pay better!

His plan remains dead on arrival. You can't fashion these jobs out of thin air. The workforce of America needs educated, and DeVos looks to undo American public education.

Then again, people like you probably shudder at the fear of diversity in the upper echelon. These individuals upset the balance of power which caused you to vote for #MakeAmericaWhiteAgain. You fear the unknown, and I find that a complete shame. For someone so patriotic, you give a bad name to the real spirit of America.

Read up on Trumps Apprentice Program. It fits what you describe.

It's a decent start, but more follow through must be done with it.

Rome wasn't destroyed and laid waste in a day you know.

But you believe liberals destroyed America in one hour.

Only Her soul.

I agree with you to the extent that growing the economy and lifting people out of poverty is the first (and most important) step.. and that the others become significantly easier to battle..

But it's not just about creating jobs, they have to be decent jobs, they have to be jobs that a person can build a career around, jobs that give them some sense of value, jobs that pay them enough to live..

I hope Trump succeeds in doing that, above all of the other things he has promised to do, if he keeps just that one promise, then I will be fairly happy.

jc

North Korea apparently launched another missile into the sea.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-idUSKBN19P02W

Does Japan have nukes?

Just wondering if they will get sick of this and retaliate.

Nope. No Nukes For You! But they have a good Pal and he gots plenty.

We need to quit talking about Nukes. Even if N. Korea uses one, our first response shouldn't be to use one.

We used great restraint when we used two to end WWII. I wish we had used even more by telling Japan what we were going to do and dropping one about 20 miles off their coast as a warning, but I suppose we didn't have a whole lot of them to waste at that point.

We need to pressure China. It's their part of the world. They need to take care of the problem, Heck, China is his only lifeline. If China is afraid NK will turn on them if they shut down the border crossing where NK gets most of it's supplies, that should be indication enough to China why this little despot in NK needs to go.

This is a dangerous situation. The guy is unstable. He needs to go to sleep for good. We have about 40,000 troops in a pretty bad spot. Not only us and China need to stand up to this little puck, the whole world does. It doesn't take all that much for this whole deck of cards to fall apart.

In the meantime, Un has launched an ICBM that he peed himself over when announcing, "We are a full-fledged nuclear power that has been possessed of the most powerful inter-continental ballistic rocket capable of hitting any part of the world".

Trumps reply, "Does this guy have anything better to do with his life?"

DC, Your a smart fellow, I think the point 40 is trying to make is Life is choices and everyone has a right to make a choice. It doesn't mean everyone will make the right one, in fact alot will make the wrong ones, but that is life. This has nothing to do with if the Government will take care of them or who will take care of them. The fact remains, every child deserves a chance. We've all made some bad choices in life but were still here and were still learning and growing. Now back to N Korea

However, I do not think we should have a choice to destroy innocent life unless it is a medical necessity such as the life of the mother. She gets priority. Nowhere else in society do we have that right except in self defense. (of course they have expanded our culture of death to include assisted suicide in some places)

I understand a woman wanting control of her own body but we need to make the distinction between her own body and the body of the person inside her. Both should have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

I love how compassionate these libs here are for the children that haven't even been born yet but have no problem subjecting children to perverts in public bathrooms,or subjecting them to the craziness of sanctuary areas that let rapists, robbers, murderers roam freely in public, or allowing planned parenthood clinic leaders to sell late aborted body parts for personal financial gain but hey their political agenda comes first.

This is what has happened to our society because of the Liberal/Progressive agenda...

They have forgotten that America was founded by and for "We The People" and have made it about the sad story of "He the Person".

Next, they force their agenda on the rest of society through the Liberal/Progressive Courts without any say by "We The People".

If we dare to question their agenda and what it means to "We The People", we are called Haters, Homophobes, Xenophobes and more. Discussion becomes hate, questions become phobias.

Society has crumbled under their emotional priorities.

Is it the liberal agenda to believes all children of God should be cared for?

Cons don't know how signs work. It's kinda funny.

I missed it in the Bible where Jesus demanded that the Roman government should be paying for the poor.

He did say that the religious organizations/leaders should be caring for the poor, as opposed to edifying themselves, but I cannot recall him speaking about taxation and/or government assistance except to say to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and to render unto God that which is God's.

We as children of God, should be helping other children of God who are less well off than we are. (and no matter how bad we might have it, there is always someone in a worse situation) We should be giving to our churches, to organizations that directly assist the poor, and volunteering to help those in need.

None of these things should involve the government in any way.

Well of course as a Christian you would believe that religion is the answer for everything and they are actually equipped to help all of the poor. But they can't and they don't. Nice how you actually skipped the question.

Should the poor have access to health are or not?

Matt. 25:40

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

New International Version-Matthew 19:21
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.
Link

New International Version-Luke 14:33
In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples. Link

#SocialJusticeGospel
#FirstSocialJusticeWarrior

Let them cling to their idea that Jesus was a Thatcherite.

There's also the whole thing to be a disciple that you had to give up your job, possessions, and such like that...

In Matthew, Jesus was talking to a certain rich man, who put his riches ahead of God.

Jesus challenged the man to love Him more than he loved his "stuff". The rich man was saddened, because he was very wealthy, and loved all that he had. (and possibly the prestige it allotted him as well) In other Gospel verses, it says that Jesus loved the man, and wanted him to follow Him. That's why He challenged him to give up everything and follow Christ.

In the 14th chapter of Luke, Jesus spoke of the cost of being a disciple. He spoke of the disciple hating his/her own mother, father, life, sons, daughters, etc.

This doesn't mean that they should literally hate them, but that they should put them in the proper place in their lives. God is 1st. Everything else is secondary.

I would also add that someone can be saved and not be a disciple. The Bible teaches that those who believe in Christ are saved. To believe means to believe in Him completely and fully. To believe is to follow Jesus, and to obey the calling He has for us. For some this will be actually preaching the Word. For others, it will be service to the poor. For yet others, encouragement and support of others will be their call. We saw examples of all of these groups in the New Testament.

Wouldn't God want you to place others in front of worrying about wealth due to taxes?