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You are rite HAUS because I posed that same scenario question to the libs on this board and some may have wifes ,daughters, granddaughters etc but they refused to answer and tried to insult me

Many have responded to this in the past, along with many conservative leaning dawgs, but we've all silenced due to the obfuscating political discourse around here.

Science shows some individuals actually are transgendered, and it's not a simple choice.

But hey, that runs counter to the religious zeitgeist that we allow to run the undercurrent of our political process.

and yet you voted for a guy who likes to go into women's dressing rooms unannounced.

just shut up already. you have no ground to stand on.

Your moral code died once you voted for a dude who condoned sexual assault, and bragged about walking around dressing rooms with naked women.

we've been over this already in the other thread about it.

i've made my stance clear. and just because i happen to agree with rocket on this doesn't mean i BASED my opinion on rocket's.

it's not that i take someone's side over yours, it simply has to do with me never agreeing with much of what you have to say.

it has zero to do with anyone else, and everything to do with me being in disagreement with you pretty much all the time.

we are completely two different people. i dunno how clear i have to make that before you get it.

Dem state officials refusing to cooperate with Trump voter fraud probe

Democratic state officials already are refusing to cooperate with the voter fraud investigation ordered by President Trump, saying they will not hand over the extensive “voter roll data” the commission is seeking.

The response comes after Kris Kobach, the Kansas secretary of state serving as vice chair of the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity, wrote to all 50 states this week asking for their input as well as voter registration data.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/...raud-probe.html

Gee, wonder why they wouldn't want a check of our voting system after all the crying they did about Trump stealing the election and Russia helping?

Dem state officials refusing to cooperate with Trump voter fraud probe

Democratic state officials already are refusing to cooperate with the voter fraud investigation ordered by President Trump, saying they will not hand over the extensive “voter roll data” the commission is seeking.

The response comes after Kris Kobach, the Kansas secretary of state serving as vice chair of the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity, wrote to all 50 states this week asking for their input as well as voter registration data.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/...raud-probe.html

Gee, wonder why they wouldn't want a check of our voting system after all the crying they did about Trump stealing the election and Russia helping?

Voter fraud is rampant and that is common knowledge among Democratic party officials. They will stall forever on this. James O'Keefe had a video that exposed all of this.

There is much stronger evidence than that but I bring up O'Keefe because the predictable response from Rocket will be that he has been caught unfairly editing videos of liberals to make them sound bad, which is absolutely true. However, he just brought up the "when you're a star, they let you..." tape, not realizing that was also selectively edited to make Trump look as bad as possible. (He wasn't just on some monologue there.)

It's really not much different than what the CNNs of the world do.

Dem state officials refusing to cooperate with Trump voter fraud probe

Democratic state officials already are refusing to cooperate with the voter fraud investigation ordered by President Trump, saying they will not hand over the extensive “voter roll data” the commission is seeking.

The response comes after Kris Kobach, the Kansas secretary of state serving as vice chair of the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity, wrote to all 50 states this week asking for their input as well as voter registration data.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/...raud-probe.html

Gee, wonder why they wouldn't want a check of our voting system after all the crying they did about Trump stealing the election and Russia helping?

Trump Vindicated? Study Shows Up To 5.7 Million Illegals Voted In Presidential Election.

A couple weeks after the 2016 election, President-Elect Donald Trump tweeted this: "In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally."

The mainstream media scoffed and immediately set out to disprove his claim. And, of course, the MSM also galloped off to cover 2016 loser Jill Stein's effort to get a recount for Hillary Clinton, who had taken to her bed piled with cash to weep in solitude.

"Trump wrongly tells congressional leaders that millions of 'illegals' cost him the popular vote," said the Los Angeles Times. And there is one fact in that header: Trump lost the popular vote by 2,868,519, according to Dave Liep's Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections.

Fast forward to today. The MSM is still trying to derail Trump on everything he does, but a new report has come out that shows Trump may well have been right in his claim.

JustFacts.com, an independent think tank, did some serious number crunching on immigration to the U.S. and said this about the 2008 election:

Based on:

the number of non-citizens in this poll,[1002] the margin of sampling error for their self-declared voting is ± 5 percentage points with at least 95% confidence.[1003] [1004] [1005]
the number of non-citizens in this poll who were in the database,[1006] the margin of sampling error for their undeclared voting is ± 8 percentage points with at least 95% confidence.[1007] [1008] [1009]
these study results and Census Bureau population estimates, 594,000 to 5.7 million non-citizens voted illegally in the 2008 election.[1010] [1011]
See the report here for citations.

Thus, if that many illegals voted in 2008 -- up to 5.7 million -- then it's perfectly reasonable to think that as many -- or more -- voted in the 2016 election. Just Facts said that in 2012, 3.2 million to 5.6 million noncitizens were registered to vote -- and 1.2 million to 3.6 million of them cast ballots. Remember, Trump lost the popular vote by 2.8 million.

Said the Washington Times:

Just Facts President James D. Agresti and his team looked at data from an extensive Harvard/YouGov study that every two years questions a sample size of tens of thousands of voters. Some acknowledge they are noncitizens and are thus ineligible to vote.

Just Facts’ conclusions confront both sides in the illegal voting debate: those who say it happens a lot and those who say the problem nonexistent.

In one camp, there are groundbreaking studies by professors at Old Dominion University in Virginia who attempted to compile scientifically derived illegal voting numbers using the Harvard data, called the Cooperative Congressional Election Study.

On the other side are the professors who conducted the study and contended that “zero” noncitizens of about 18 million adults in the U.S. voted. The liberal mainstream media adopted this position and proclaimed the Old Dominion work was “debunked.”

The ODU professors, who stand by their work in the face of attacks from the left, concluded that in 2008 as few as 38,000 and as many as 2.8 million noncitizens voted.

Mr. Agresti’s analysis of the same polling data settled on much higher numbers. He estimated that as many as 7.9 million noncitizens were illegally registered that year and 594,000 to 5.7 million voted.

But the Huffington Post said the findings were "doubtful," and offered up its own math.

The analysis by the think tank Just Facts is based on Harvard/YouGov data, the same source of data for a 2014 study used to support President Donald Trump’s claim that millions voted illegally in the most recent election. Brian Schaffner, a political science professor at the University of Massachusetts Amherst who helps manage the data source the 2014 analysis was based on, debunked that analysis in November, saying it extrapolated based on answers from respondents that were likely errors.

James Agresti, the president of Just Facts, told The Washington Times the details of his analysis were “technical” but his results were based on a more conservative analysis and were more accurate than those of the 2014 study.

In 2012, Schaffner and his colleagues went back and re-interviewed the 121 people from the earlier study who said they voted in 2010 but weren’t citizens. Of those 121 people, 36 changed their answer and said they were, in fact, citizens. Of the 85 people who maintained they were non-citizens, researchers could not match a single one to a valid voter record.

In an email, Schaffner said the conclusion of Agresti’s study was highly doubtful and readers should be skeptical for the same reasons they should have doubted the study of the 2010 data.

“The most important is that the new study makes the same error as the old study in terms of ignoring measurement error on the question they use to identify supposed non-citizens when we have in fact demonstrated that many people answer that question incorrectly,” Schaffner wrote in an email.

The MSM, of course, has no intention of getting to the bottom of the story. In the bag for the Democrats, finding out the truth would likely anger the very people the Democrats are trying so hard to hang onto.

But that's not working very well: The party has lost all four of the special House elections this year -- while declaring each one was a "referendum on Trump."

CNN keeps credibility.

O'Keefe lacks any ounce of it.

Haus, don't you know the three classical persuasive tools?

Ethos: credibility...what makes you trustworthy?

Logos: pure fact

Pathos: using emotions to convince someone.

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O'Keefe uses much pathos, but lacks Logos and Ethos in leaps and bounds.

Then again, many individuals who call themselves centipedes value feelings over facts.

Basically its "feelings>facts" for you.

Thanks for clarifying.

Estimates of illegal immigrants that voted range from hundreds of thousands, up into the millions. There is some major disagreement on this. If there is no fraud or other illegalities going on, it shouldn't be an issue to clean up the voter rolls and enforce them with voter I.D. laws (if that is not on the President's agenda, it should be.)

i didn't know states like Texas and Mississippi were liberal states.

Kansas, the state the guy running the commission from, is also not releasing the voter information.

didn't know kansas was a liberal state. news to me.

south dakota, tennessee, kentucky.

is new mexico a liberal state?

Facts for me must pass the ethos, logos, and pathos test. You routinely fail to present arguments that check all the boxes of classical Greek persuasion.

My opinion is neither CNN nor O'Keefe should be used as a serious source. CNN has done some dirty things, don't forget leaking debate questions to the Clinton camp before debates against Sanders and Trump, changing Trump's quotes to make him look bad, and many other deviations from journalistic integrity.

It's a sad day when not wanting to release voting information makes you a liberal. The Republicans will do anything to keep their power.

Hop in a time machine to the 1920s, and go tell that to a bunch of Mormons.

Dead @ daily wire. Can't take anything Republicans on here say seriously. All comes from junky sites. They're literally trying to attack the "MSM" so hard. So Mclaughlin and Associates interviewed 800 bilingual hispanics, and 13% of them (With a 6% error rate at 95% confidence) and transposed these numbers to every illegal alien. Of course McLaugh and Ass didn't disclose how they chose they candidates. What language they asked them the questions in. Or what the questions actually were. All signs of an untrustworthy poll. Especially the extrapolating the 13% number to the entire illegal population (which is obviously just estimated).

I like how no one on here even likes CNN, but Republicans keep bringing it up to excuse the Fox News, dailywire and Project Veritas trash they keep posting on here.