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I believe a lie is a lie. The rational you use is why people make up excuses to lie to their kids about "imaginary people".


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Originally Posted By: Riley01
I was talking about obamas birth certificate that is a legal requirement to run for pres. which he obviously didn't have,but still was able to run but you guys are still questioning Trumps taxes,get off of it and tell us what the DEMS.are gonna do for our country


The difference is, Obama did end up showing his birth certificate. I thought it was funny because it just let Trump keep on lying. lol


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well understand that again, i disagree with your stance.

40 and others have accused obama of being a muslim and a non citizen of this country. so i refuse to back down from someone who has made baseless accusations trying to me that i've made baseless accusations, especially considering i have the intelligence community backing my stance.

the do as i say, not as i do nonsense around here is beyond annoying. so if you won't call 40 out for it, fine. but stay out of my way while i do it.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Originally Posted By: Riley01
I was talking about obamas birth certificate that is a legal requirement to run for pres. which he obviously didn't have,but still was able to run but you guys are still questioning Trumps taxes,get off of it and tell us what the DEMS.are gonna do for our country


The difference is, Obama did end up showing his birth certificate. I thought it was funny because it just let Trump keep on lying. lol


So Trump questioning his lack of a Birth Certificate ended up as a Trump lie when Obama finally produced one, and you accusing Trump of every bad thing under the sun and having it proved to be false will make you a liar.

I will remember that.

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14 of Trump's most outrageous 'birther' claims -- half from after 2011

Here's a laundry list of birther declarations Trump made before he tried to put the controversy to rest:
1. "Why doesn't he show his birth certificate? There's something on that birth certificate that he doesn't like."

March 23, 2011, on "The View"
2. "He's spent millions of dollars trying to get away from this issue. Millions of dollars in legal fees trying to get away from this issue. And I'll tell you what, I brought it up, just routinely, and all of a sudden a lot facts are emerging and I'm starting to wonder myself whether or not he was born in this country."

- March 28, 2011, on Fox News
3. "He doesn't have a birth certificate, or if he does, there's something on that certificate that is very bad for him. Now, somebody told me -- and I have no idea if this is bad for him or not, but perhaps it would be -- that where it says 'religion,' it might have 'Muslim.' And if you're a Muslim, you don't change your religion, by the way."
- March 30, 2011, on The Laura Ingraham Show
4. "I have people that have been studying [Obama's birth certificate] and they cannot believe what they're finding ... I would like to have him show his birth certificate, and can I be honest with you, I hope he can. Because if he can't, if he can't, if he wasn't born in this country, which is a real possibility ... then he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics."

- April 7, 2011, on NBC's "Today" show
5. "His grandmother in Kenya said, 'Oh, no, he was born in Kenya and I was there and I witnessed the birth.' She's on tape. I think that tape's going to be produced fairly soon. Somebody is coming out with a book in two weeks, it will be very interesting."
- April 7, 2011, on MSNBC's "Morning Joe"
Note: On April 27, 2011, President Obama made public his long form birth certificate. The Trump campaign in his statement portrayed this as the event that resolved the situation.
"Having successfully obtained President Obama's birth certificate when others could not, Mr. Trump believes that President Obama was born in the United States," Miller said.

But as the following comments demonstrate, whatever he thought personally, Trump continued to gin up birther issues for years after.
6. "He didn't know he was running for president, so he told the truth. The literary agent wrote down what he said ... He said he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia ... Now they're saying it was a mistake. Just like his Kenyan grandmother said he was born in Kenya, and she pointed down the road to the hospital, and after people started screaming at her, she said, 'Oh, I mean Hawaii.' Give me a break."

- May 24, 2012, interview with The Daily Beast's Lloyd Grove, responding to an erroneous report about Obama
7. "A lot of people do not think it was an authentic certificate. ... Many people do not think it was authentic. His mother was not in the hospital. There are many other things that came out. And frankly if you would report it accurately I think you'd probably get better ratings than you're getting."

- May 29, 2012, to CNN's Wolf Blitzer
8. "An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @BarackObama's birth certificate is a fraud."
- August 6, 2012, in a tweet more than a year after Obama released his longform birth certificate

9. "Was it a birth certificate? You tell me. Some people say that was not his birth certificate. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I'm saying I don't know. Nobody knows."

- August 2013, to ABC News
10. "How amazing, the State Health Director who verified copies of Obama's 'birth certificate' died in plane crash today. All others lived."
- December 12, 2013, in tweet about the death of Loretta Fuddy.

11. "Well, I don't know -- did he do it? ... Well, a lot of people don't agree with you and a lot of people feel it wasn't a proper certificate."

-May 2014, in an interview with TV3's Colette Fitzpatrick in Ireland, Trump first contested whether Obama had released his birth certificate, then questioned whether its legitimacy.

12. "There are three things that could happen. And one of them did happen. He was perhaps born in Kenya. Very simple, OK? He was perhaps born in this country. But said he was born in Kenya because if you say you were born in Kenya, you got aid and you got into colleges. People were doing that. So perhaps he was born in this country, and that has a very big chance. Or, you know, who knows?"

- May 27, 2014, in remarks at the National Press Club
13. "Who knows about Obama? ... Who knows, who knows? Who cares right now?... I have my own theory on Obama. Someday I will write a book, I will do another book, and it will do very successfully."

- January 6, 2016, in an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer.
14. "I'll answer that question at the right time. I just don't want to answer it yet ... I don't talk about it anymore. The reason I don't is because then everyone is going to be talking about it as opposed to jobs, the military, the vets, security."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/donald-trump-birther/index.html

Yes, even AFTER Obama had shown his birth certificate, Trump just couldn't help himself.


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The number one reason Obama couldn't produce his Birth Certificate in 6 minutes like all other Americans can...

The Kenyan phone lines were down?
He hadn't stolen enough money yet to pay witnesses?
The Kenyan, Barry Soetoro said it will take time?
Hillary had it?

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