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Based on U.S. coal production in 2015 of about 0.9 billion short tons, the U.S. estimated recoverable coal reserves would last about 283 years. The actual number of years that those reserves will last depends on changes in production and reserves estimates.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=coal_reserves

Considering all of the technically recoverable resources, we have enough oil to last us over 100 years at current production levels.
https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2...f-oil-left.aspx

At the rate of U.S. dry natural gas consumption in 2014 of about 26.6 Tcf per year, the United States has enough natural gas to last about 93 years. The actual number of years will depend on the amount of natural gas consumed each year, natural gas imports and exports, and additions to natural gas reserves

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I really don't know how many of our youth aspire to be coal miners. The people that have been doing it for years, well thats all they know. Put them back to work or put them on welfare. All I'm saying is let the market dictate when the change is made not government regulations.

Look at Volvo, they plan on the combustion engine to be out of their line up by 2020 IIRC. Others will follow if it's a big hit.

Well that poses a little problem

I get what you're saying but at some point people have got to learn how to adapt. Especially considering that they are in an era where the industry they are in is about to bite the dust soon.

But that's why I've advocated transition programs for a while now. So have others. There no reason why coal miners should have to do it alone. And when it comes to so many Americans affected by that, I absolutely support my tax money going to help those families transition into a new career.

I'd even go as far as to say that the years they put in for coal should count toward their new jobs, as far as pensions go.

I support them getting first dibs on renewable energy jobs or something similar that they can use their skill sets in. But I don't support lying to them and wasted time trying to save an industry that can't be saved.

I think we're both saying the same thing but with different approaches. I like for business innovation and markets to dictate change. You sound like you want government intervention to make the change. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Jack Welch former CEO of GE said your business is either growing or rotting on the vine. Innovation keeps you growing.

He also said If you have a reputation as a big, stiff bureaucracy, you’re stuck

The coal industry isn't innovative. It's a dinosaur going extinct.

The market is dictating that he industry dies. I'm advocating for government to save those people and transition them to industry's that are steady and/or growing, that the skill sets those coal miners have can still be used in industries like renewable probably.

Your right the market will dictate that it dies. It's the resource or product that will die. The company mining it doesn't have to die. It has to be innovative.

What you're asking the government to do is what I'm EXPECTING the companies to do. They must take their resources and expand into different energy sources. Solar, wind or whatever it may be. While transitioning, they train their employees. Grow or rot on the vine!

That's capitalism. We don't need more socialistic programs, bigger government and higher taxes.

Did you really just ask that question, or was it just a huge brain fart?



I guess that answers my question. I am going to go ahead and list this as you having a very large brain fart.

Hand outs!!! Everyone wants hand outs!!! Let the government pay. Well that is not the case. Middle class of America pays. The rich will pay more then layoff their employees or raise the price of their merchandise. Who pays the middle class are the folks that get laid off or pay for that increase in merchandise. Liberals need to get a clue. One person should never pay for another. Every man/woman for their selves.

So no public schools, no emergency response systems, no roads, no NOTHING that you can't pay 100% for yourself right? Get a clue and stop spewing ignorant wingnut rhetoric.

This is not the stupidest post I've seen on this board but it ranks right up there. Telling the middle class to stand on their own because the rich won't go along with anything good and it will just hurt us all is just plain rubbish. The only way we affect real change is by coming together against the money and special interests.

As far as people not working or paying for healthcare, are you saying they deserve to just die? In your opinion if you can not produce or do not produce for your corporate overlords, then your life has no value and you should just die? That's slavery... I bet you call yourself a Christian and want abortions banned too.

If giving people like you and 40 your way is 'making America great again', I want no part of it. Your ideologies are disgusting and sicken me to my core.

The BIG point i take from what u showed of the waste of times post was that GOVERMENT has to dictate and control and tell these people what to do for a living ... thats the main point i take and thats one of the big problems ... him and his ilk think the government should be involved in and control pretty much every aspect of our lives ... very very sad ...

I would do away with all of those social programs. They all suck. People should work for what they get in this world. Period. I am tired of the government getting into my pocket for others.

The GHG issue is where government intervention takes a role. Coal is easily the dirtiest fossil fuel so, despite its abundance, its more or less an environmental nightmare.

You're right though daytna. Innovation is key. Problem with coal is that the relative inefficiency of it as a power source - basically you're burning more to get less energy. Old school coal plants operate at about 25-35% efficiency. Newer coal plants using supercritical combustion can improve that to about 45% and there's testing now on ultra-critical plants that could improve it even further.

AS efficiency goes up, emissions are reduced as more of the coal is burned effectively to generate energy. Quick reading shows that a 10% improvement in efficiency cuts GHG emissions by about a third.

I'm fine with using coal as a power supply for the world so long as government regulates HOW we use it. Decommission the old plants and make ultra-critical plants with extensive NOX and SOX scrubbers mandatory.

Those 8 year olds should get jobs like real Americans!!!!

Hardees employs more workers (and in a safer environment) then the entire coal industry world wide. Coal is being phased out of the power grid...get over it.

And once you can no longer work because of age or debility you're obviously useless to society...I'd even go so far as to say you're unAmerican at that point.

They should have saved a ton of money working 50-60 hrs a week in the coal mines right? Damn slackers!

Solution: Death Panels.

Think of the money saved. No Medicare, no Medicaid, no Social Security.
All working age people (8 years old is a good time to start to be a productive American) can and will work. Then once unable to be on the factory floor you're immediately taken to the rendering plant for 'processing'.
UTOPIA!!

#MakeAmericaTaxlessAgain
#MakeAmericaSickAgain
#MakeAmericaSlavesAgain

#DumbDownAmericaAgain

Talk about twisting something! lol

Communities in coal country have either ceased to exist or are some of poorest communities in our nation. And guess what, you can get a coal mining job if there aren't any. lmao

You make it sound like the government is going to force them into job training and make them do something else. Guess what, I'd say 99% of these people would LOVE if they could find a decent paying job. Any good paying job.

What people are talking about is providing them with an opportunity to support their families. To help their communities and to get out of poverty. Your solution? Do nothing and let them live in poverty until Trump waves some magic wand and bring their jobs back. What a joke.

It is. The point is, let it die of natural causes instead of being euthanized by the government.


This always seemed like a bit of a contradiction to me with the millennials.. the complain that there aren't any jobs, yet retail causes jobs in real estate, development, construction, management, sales, maintenance, etc.. but, for their own convenience, they would rather order everything on-line.. which supports warehouse jobs and delivery jobs.. leaving shopping centers vacant.. yet at the same time, they rail against Walmart for killing the downtown and the local stores.. I have to admit I find it kind of confusing.

Sorry but that's a load of crap.

It's a lot of people in your generation who do online shopping as well. To try to pin that on my generation specifically is part of the reason convos on this board between some of us liberals and you don't get anywhere.

My parents do a ton of online shopping, and they are the same age, if not older, as you.

If you ever bought anything online, then you have zero room to complain about millennials doing it.

Odd, I thought most of my conversations with liberals stayed pretty civil and encouraged good discussions.. didn't know you disagree.

Your parents are not a trend. More than half of people under 30 admit to doing almost all of their shopping on line, that number falls to less than a quarter for folks my age. Glad your parents are so progressive.

If I ever bought anything on-line? What an asinine thing to say, some things I can't get locally or I would. Why is everything so all or nothing with you?

I don't see it any differently than anything else. The market changes.

It's like all of the people who carry on about the coal industry. There is a lot more solar now, wind energy now and it's increasing with each passing day. Natural gas is cheap and clean. The market is simply changing and has been for a while now. Allowing coal companies to dump sludge in the streams and rivers isn't the answer.

When people keep whining about coal it reminds me of what the people who used to make buggies for horses were probably saying when the car started to become popular. Those jobs didn't come back either.

I do understand what you're saying about retail. It impacts a lot more jobs than simply retail jobs. But it's going away.

Maybe the Market just needs people in more meaningful roles than folding pants in today's world.

because you just made an all or nothing statement about millennials and online shopping.

practice what you preach.

Are you trying to deny that it's not because of millennials changing shopping habits to online shopping that's not destroying retail?

I mean that is why retail is going under.

Maybe retail deserves to die? Maybe humans have more to offer than folding pants? Just thinking out loud.

You do realize that when you order them online, people are pulling your order, packing and shipping your order, right? Is that really any better than folding pants?

no, i'm battling this idea that it's only the millennials responsible for this trend, as DC has suggested.

i'm seriously sick of the "generation this, generation that" argument, especially on this board.

the general argument is constantly used around here as a way to point fingers and discredit any of us in this generation.

and there's millions of people in DC's generation who online shops. he just admitted that he online shops, yet tried to some crap ass excuse as to why.

it doesn't matter why, the fact that he does isntantly discredited anything he had to say with regards to millennials ruining retail, as he just admitted that he is also an active part of the problem.

and the sad part? clearly nobody got the sarcasm in my post about the retail industry going down in relation to what i was saying about coal.

i could give two craps about the retail industry tanking, because the online shopping industry is replacing it. let the market decide, remember?

that was the entire point of why i brought up retail. if the market is deciding that retail is dying, and conservatives constantly preach about letting the market decide, then why should i give two craps that the market is deciding that coal should go, too?

i care about the people affected by it, as in the workers in that coal industry, but only part of a transition to get them into another industry. i don't give a damn that the actual industry itself is dying.

DC is over here crying about millennials as if it wasn't his generation who made the dot com boom happen in the first place.

sorry but it's annoying as all hell.

No, but there's half as many people pulling, packing and shipping the order, as there were people folding pants when retail was booming.

speaking of America rolling along, anybody see the Klan rally?

there's a klan member with Dreads.

it's like when you listen to bob marley, but the klan pays your bills.

I wish someone would tell the people in my town to buy stuff online. Because whenever I go near the mall/shopping areas the traffic is ridic. Got to get to petsmart yo.

at least you don't live in LA. did you see the recent photo going around showing the traffic there? holy crap

Altanta traffic is pretty bad also. I know people who get up at 430 in the morning just so they can make their commute. No thanks. I'll stay in my suburb.

Thats just the tip of the icebergs with them ... just the tip of the iceberg ... my personal favorite ...

- we need to raise the minimum wage cause theres not enough living wage jobs ...

Then ...

- we need to keep the borders open and take even more refugees witch is almost 100% LOW WAGE EARNERS ... witch drives down the wages of the all ready low wage earners ...

BRILLIANT!!!!