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FOX reported Comey gave out "TOP" secret info.
Turns out he gave out "Secret" and Confidential info, not "TOP" secret.

But please, continue to play.

Correction: Comey's memos did not have top secret info. The report says half were classified at secret or confidential level, not top secret.
-FOX

I'd be impress if some on this board even implied that Fox News was fake news.

Lmao Pit, there it is!!!

An absolutely damning paragraph about Donald Trump Jr.'s Russia meeting

Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
Updated 8:47 AM ET, Tue July 11, 2017

(CNN)This paragraph, from The New York Times' latest scoop on a meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and a Russian lawyer, is completely and totally damning:

"Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father's candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email."

Remember that Don Jr. has changed his story since the Times reported a meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya on Saturday.

Version 1: The meeting was primarily about adoptions. Don Jr. didn't mention anything about the election to the Times.

Version 2: The impetus for the meeting was the promise of negative information about Hillary Clinton. But Don Jr. said in a statement he didn't know who it was he was meeting with.

CNN has not verified the Times report, and we'll see if a Version 3 emerges. But Version 2 is wholly undermined by the latest Times reporting.

The idea that Don Jr. didn't know the identity of the person he was meeting with preserved the possibility that he walked into the meeting totally blind. All he knew was that he was meeting with a friend of a friend -- the meeting had been brokered by someone Don Jr. met in Russia during a Miss Universe pageant -- who had information about Clinton.

But, according to the Times, Don Jr. received an email from the same person who set up the meeting making clear that the material was part of a Russian government effort to help his father's candidacy.

So, even if he didn't know the exact name or identity of the Russian lawyer he was to meet with, he knew -- if he read his email -- that whatever he was told in the meeting was part of a foreign government's efforts to help choose its preferred candidate in the 2016 election.

Sit with that for a minute: The eldest son of the de facto Republican presidential nominee reportedly met with someone he knew was peddling information as part of a Russian government effort to elect his dad.

That's stunning. There's just no other word for it.

Alan Futerfas, a lawyer for Trump Jr., said in a statement following the story that it was "much ado about nothing."

And I'm sure there will be spin and explanations. The whole thing was a nothing-burger! Don Jr. quickly sniffed out the fact that the information Veselnitskaya was telling him was useless. So who cares?

That's not the point, of course. There's NO way Don Jr. would have known in advance that the information Veselnitskaya had was unhelpful. All he knew going into that meeting was that a Russian government effort to help his side win had produced information about Clinton that he wanted to see.

The intent and hope was that the information -- regardless of the source -- be good. That it turned out not to be, again, according to Don Jr., is beside the point.

Where does the story go from here? Who knows. This White House has repeatedly refused to answer questions that, frankly, need answers by screaming "fake news." They may do so again. But calling names won't solve this problem. Not even close.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/politics/donald-trump-jr-russia-new-york-times/index.html

OCD, how ironic that the trump family was searching for emails to damage Hillary, only for an email to potentially take the whole trump administration down.

Yes, there it is. More attempts to make mountains out of molehills.

When you come up with something substantial about the Right, please inform the rest of us.

Tim Kaine just called this possible treason on CNN. Says they are beyond obstruction and collusion, they are now into perjury and possible treason.

No link available yet, will post one when I can.

ikr

Ok, correct me if I'm wrong. This lawyer says she has info that Hillary was being helped by the Russians. Trump Jr, Kushner and Manafort met with her to find out if it was true, and an already discredited CNN makes them out to be the villains?

Consider yourself informed. This is blowing up.

Here's the thing about the Media.. ALL MEDIA.

Sometimes they place a story out there knowing it may not be 100% correct in order to get a reaction. It's a really good tactic to get at the truth.

But, like every media outlet out there, sometimes, they just get it wrong. Doesn't make them fake news. Overzealous perhaps, Jumping the gun perhaps, but not necessarily fake.

Exception that comes to mind is Alex Jones and Infowars.. Gees, that guy is a complete nutjob.

An email, which is discoverable by prosecutors, allegedly contained specifics that the meeting was to obtain damaging information about HRC and that the source was the Russian government in their effort to help Trump get elected.

IF, IF that email is real, the Trump administration has some serious splaining to do.

Listening to NPR this morning it sounds like it may be a bigger deal than what is currently being reported. New info about the meeting keeps coming up as the investigation delves deeper. But, at the very least, the fact that they didn't go to the FBI to transparently disclose this info when the FBI were investigating Russian meddling is an issue.

Of course Trump and trumpians screaming 'fake news'... lol. Not helping themselves at all.

U have to excuse them 40 .. in the absents of any real evidence they need to grasp at any and every straw put out there ...

U notice the timing of this stuff ... almost like its planned to come out to coincide with Trump kicking ass to take the spotlight off the good ...

Let them keep grasping .. we'll keep WINNING ...

I'd like to see a list of all this 'winning'... links, something other than BS rhetoric.

yea, i haven't seen much winning.

unless we are talking about Russia. then yea they definitely are winning right now.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/...connection.html



So let me get this straight, after a year or so of this nonsense, the most that has been found is that Trump's son took a meeting, possibly with the intention that he'd learn of some negative information about the Clintons?

That's all you guys can come up with? Look at the bright side, at least Trump's son was looking for real, authentic information, and not something like that bogus "pissgate" dossier that so many others went with.

lol, just stop, dude.

Donald Trump Jr. may well have committed a federal crime, experts say

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/7/10/15950590/donald-trump-jr-new-york-times-illegal

Donald Trump Jr. met with a Russian lawyer in June 2016 with the express purpose of getting information the Russian government had acquired on Hillary Clinton, according to a New York Times report published on Monday night. If this account is true, experts on national security and election law say, then there is a very real chance that President Donald Trump’s son committed a federal crime.

Trump had already admitted in a statement that he took the meeting with the attorney, named Natalia Veselnitskaya, to get useful information on Hillary Clinton. His defense of his actions was that the meeting didn’t bear fruit: that “it quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.” In other words, there’s no way this constituted meaningful collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia because Veselnitskaya didn’t provide him with anything useful.

But experts on national security and election law say there’s a good case that this “defense” is, legally speaking, no defense at all — especially in light of the Times report.

Trump Jr.’s decision to meet with the Russian attorney to see what information she might have may well have violated campaign finance law. You don’t have to actually get useful help from foreigners, according to this law. The mere fact that Trump Jr. asked for information from a Russian national about Clinton might have constituted a federal crime.

“If what Donald Trump Jr. said was true ... then they should have never had the meeting in the first place,” Nick Akerman, an assistant special prosecutor during the Watergate investigation who now specializes in data crime, says.


If the Times report is right, then at least one expert is willing to go further — and say outright that Donald Trump Jr. likely committed a crime.

“The law states that no person shall knowingly solicit or accept from a foreign national any contribution to a campaign of an item of value,” explains Ryan Goodman, a former Defense Department special counsel and current editor of the legal site Just Security. “There is now a clear case that Donald Trump Jr. has met all the elements of the law, which is a criminally enforced federal statute.”

Why Trump Jr. may have broken the law
The statute in question is 52 USC 30121, 36 USC 510 — the law governing foreign contributions to US campaigns. There are two key passages that apply here. This is the first:

A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
The crucial phrase here is “other thing of value,” legal experts tell me. It means that the law extends beyond just cash donations. Foreigners are also banned from providing other kinds of contributions that would be the functional equivalent of a campaign donation, just provided in the form of services rather than goods. Like, say, damaging information the Russian government collected about Hillary Clinton.

“To the extent you’re using the resources of a foreign country to run your campaign — that’s an illegal campaign contribution,” Akerman explains.

Here’s the second important passage of the statute: “No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by [this law].”

The key word from Trump Jr., according to University of California Irvine election law expert Rick Hasen, is “solicit,” which has a very specific meaning in this context. To quote the relevant statute:

A solicitation is an oral or written communication that, construed as reasonably understood in the context in which it is made, contains a clear message asking, requesting, or recommending that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value.
In short? If Trump Jr. asked Veselnitskaya, in person, to provide “anything of value” on Clinton then there’s a real case that he illegally solicited a campaign contribution from a foreign national. Given that political campaigns regularly pay thousands of dollars to opposition researchers to dig up dirt, it seems like damaging information on Clinton would constitute something “of value” to the Trump campaign.

The solicitation bit is why it doesn’t matter if Trump Jr. actually got useful information. The part that’s illegal, according to the experts I spoke to, is trying to acquire dirt on Clinton from a foreign source, not successfully acquiring it. And his statement more or less admits that he did, in fact, solicit this information.

“The most recent [developments] are especially significant because they include specific statements on the record conceding the Trump campaign’s expressed interest in what the Russians could provide,” Bob Bauer, White House counsel for Barack Obama from 2010 to 2011, writes at Just Security. “Those statements show intent — a clear-cut willingness to have Russian support — and they reveal specific actions undertaken to obtain it.”

Trump appears to have recognized some danger. On Monday afternoon, he hired a lawyer, Alan Futerfas, to represent him on issues relating to the Russia investigation. So far, Futerfas has not responded to a request for comment.

The Times report — if true — blows the best defense he has out of the water
In order to actually nail Donald Trump Jr. on solicitation charges, experts say, prosecutors need to be able to show that he knew the person he was meeting with was a foreign national. If Trump Jr. believed that Veselnitskaya was American when he requested information from her, then he would not have been soliciting information from the Russians.

Trump Jr.’s Sunday statement gives him a tiny bit of wiggle room on this point. In it, he says: “I was not told her name prior to the meeting,” implying that he didn’t know much about the person he was meeting — perhaps including, among other things, her nationality.

According to Goodman, the former Defense Department special counsel, this line is the one thing that keeps Trump Jr.’s statement of from being a clear-cut confession of having violated the law. “I think it would turn on the fact of whether he knew he was going to be meeting with a Russian national,” he says.

But if the Times is correct, Goodman says, this excuse is blown out of the water. The email would prove that Trump Jr. went into the meeting with knowledge that he was going to the meeting in an attempt to solicit information from the Russian government.

If Bauer, Goodman, and Hasen are reading the statute correctly, then Trump Jr. has now openly admitted damaging facts that prosecutors would otherwise need to prove to make a case against him. And the New York Times has reported on the existence of an email — something that would be relatively easy for prosecutors to find if the Times’ sources are correct — that would prove that Trump Jr.’s intent was to solicit information from a foreign source. It seems likely that this is exactly what federal prosecutors are going to look into.

“I’d want to get everyone who was involved in that meeting in front of a grand jury, and find out what they say about what happened there,” Akerman, the former Watergate prosecutor, said when asked what he’d do in light of the recent news.

Mr. Futerfas certainly has his work cut out for him.

Doesn't look good....Trump Jr. released this as he knew the NY Times were about to so now he is trying to be "transparent"....

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/politics/trump-jr-russia-lawyer-emails/index.html

There's a reason Donald trust Ivanka over his boys, and that's because she seems to be the only one capable of making smart decisions, or at least covering up her tracks efficiently.

his sons are.....lol.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/...s-clinton-info/


Much ado about nothing. For those who will protest the source, here's NBC saying basically the same thing (though the difference in bias is clear.)

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-lawyer-who-met-trump-jr-i-didn-t-have-n781631

you went from fox news to briebart.

lol...no.

Which is about how I feel when you and others go from CNN to Vox.

At least I threw in a snippet from NBC as well.

So? The fact that Trump Jr, Kushner, Sessions, Flynn, and Manafort have all lied about any association with Russians during the election process proves them to be villains not the press.


Villains lie. This isn't getting any better for the administration and it's not just going to go away. Oh well, you reap what you sow. karma is catching up.

Except now, Donnie Jr. Just released the email chain... he's in trouble...

And seriously, Brietbart.... Geez

I just read the email chain on Jr.'s Twitter and my response is about the same as it was before. He took a meeting trying to get some opposition research. It didn't pan out.

I guess I don't really see the big deal about this. Then again, I am under the impression that this kind of stuff goes on all the time in politics, on both sides.

The big lie here is that it's a well known fact that Ivanka Trump knows exactly where her hubby is 24-7 and Donald trump knows exactly where Ivanka is 24-7. So this goes a bit higher then just Jr. meeting with the Russians. They all knew about this. It's all a big cover up now and the lies will continue and the spin continues to be spun by their treasonous surrogates after every tweet on capitol hill.

right. at this point playing stupid is a horrible defense, which is bad because it's the last best option they got.

So lying about connections/meetings with Russians during the election process by a half dozen "GOP" (Trump) campaign officials is ok with you?

Seems to me, like with all their other accusations without proof, we let them have their fun and laugh at them later.

Donald Trump Jr.'s statement:

To everyone, in order to be totally transparent, I am releasing the entire email chain of my emails with Rob Goldstone about the meeting on June 9, 2016. The first email on June 3, 2016 was from Rob, who was relating a request from Emin, a person I knew from the 2013 Ms. Universe Pageant near Moscow. Emin and his father have a very highly respected company in Moscow. The information they suggested they had about Hillary Clinton I thought was Political Opposition Research. I first wanted to just have a phone call but when that didn't work out, they said the woman would be in New York and asked if I would meet. I decided to take the meeting. The woman, as she has said publicly, was not a government official. And, as we have said, she had no information to provide and wanted to talk about adoption policy and the Magnitsky Act. To put this in context, this occurred before the current Russian fever was in vogue. As Rob Goldstone said just today in the press, the entire meeting was "the most insane nonsense I ever heard. And I was actually agitated by it."

Nobody is having fun. Although there is a bunch here having fun with surrogates and posters here defending all the lies. You know... all the lies that this administration continues to get caught in about meeting with Russian's during the election. Who's next...Ivanka, Melania, Eric, Tiffany, or Barron? Your choice because I know DT will throw them all under the bus before himself.

Full damage control now. Besides...To late...he lied and got caught.

jr seems to have the same problem his daddy does: they don't have the ability to keep their damn mouths shut.

the more they talk, the worse it looks to be. those two remind of the guys at the party who says a a joke that didn't hit, but instead of just letting it go, they panic and just won't shut up.

I believe with all you guys running around, pointing fingers at treason and being proved wrong, time after time after time, sooner or later you may actually hit on something illegal.

Every now and then, even a blind squirrel finds an A-Kern.

I think they found the A-Kern tree.

Ignoring, for a moment, the discussion about what did and did not happen, and what that means as far as investigations and charges and the like... I was one of the biggest proponents of getting someone that wasn't a career politician into the White House. Well, I got my wish this past election, and I got Donald Trump, Ben Carson, and someone else I'm forgetting (female Republican candidate that dropped out early).

I do think Trump gets picked apart by the media more than anyone before him (we did just spend like a week talking about a several second timeline of handshakes), but him not being a politician and knowing how to handle stuff like this (beyond not doing stuff that gets you into trouble in the first place) is really making him look dumb.

Simply being an outsider was a big draw for him, but it looks like that really isn't all it's cracked up to be... and this isn't even taking into account the man himself.

Not when you consider he is a true outsider. Outsider to Washington, outsider to the establishment Republicans, outsider to the Liberal Democrats and the establishment Democrats. Finally he is also an outsider to Politics in general since he has never held office.
All his enemies are beholden to special interests and the likes of the Koch brothers and Wall Street Bankers. Trump is only beholden to the people and to the job at hand.

He has enemies everywhere unlike any President before him. I think when you consider all I mentioned, he is doing a pretty good job of not only surviving but in getting things done for America.

Just wait to see what happens to the Republicans in 2018 as the people stay home in disgust with them.
Just wait to see what happens to the Democrats in 2020 when the people put into office a brand new crop of Republicans.

After 2020, America will be straightened out again.
"This is a movement, not just an election", Trump said

This swamp is being identified and drained as we speak.
That is Trumps doing.

Not a career business lady either "Carly Fiorina" was booted out of HP. after spearheading their failed merger with Compaq.



Not by the real news... Wiki Leaks, Fox News, and Breitbart



ya think?