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If Trump Jr. had deleted his emails, wiped his systems clean with clorox and smashed his phones with a hammer, would the Press have lost interest and the investigations gone away?

No, because the press didn't lose interest, and the email scandal was a 24/7 news fest on CNN, MSNBC, and ESPECIALLY Fox.

The mainstream media wouldn't shut up about it. And rightfully so, because it was at the time a big freaking deal.

It only died after Comey said no charges coming after the investigation was complete.

Now trump is going through the same thing. And it won't stop until after the investigation is over.

Suck it up, buttercup.

If he changed his name to oBUMa or Clinton it would have not even come up ..

Nope. But he wouldn't have been caught! Only the bozos get caught.

Its CHS, that reminds me...

Truck full of eels leaves slippery mess on Oregon highway

A truck loaded with eels overturned on U.S. 101 in Oregon on Thursday, sending the slippery sea creatures sprawling across the highway.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/13/truck-full-eels-leaves-slippery-mess-on-oregon-highway.html

So your justification or whatever it is you want to call it for Trump Jr, Manaforte and Kushner meeting with a Russian about dirt on Clinton is that Clinton (who probably deserves to be in Jail) deleted her emails and got away with it.

You want to clear your guy based on the behavior of the person you despise who is on the other side of the political spectrum, who you think most definitely deserves to be in jail for those actions.

That's some high moral ground you have.

I've heard people defend Trump Jr because he released the emails and wanted to be transparent. Which is untrue - he was told by the NY Times they were going to print/reveal the content of the emails and they asked him for comment ... and he simply beat them to the punch in releasing them in order to take steam out of the news.

I've also heard that since he didn't get any dirt (allegedly, according to him) from the meeting he did nothing wrong - that's also incorrect because he took a deliberate decision with intent, to try and solicit help from a foreign entity.

I said it before - there isn't anything "proven" yet (though this email chain probably changes that a little in regards specifically to Trump Jr) - but if you think nothing smells you are delusional.

What law did trump jr. Break? ..

What he did was DEAD WRONG .. he was WRONG ... but he BROKE NO LAWS ..

And calling that COLLUSION is absolute BS .. theres a big difference between agreeing to a meeting to GET DIRT ALL READY OUT THERE and COLLUDING with someone to ACTUALLY GET THE DIRT ..

They had info they wanted to share .. its not like Jr. Aided them in getting the info ...

U can get off your high horse now too ...

I am not justifying anything.
I just ask the question of all you wonderful, fair minded people out there...

If Trump Jr. had deleted his emails, wiped his systems clean with clorox and smashed his phones with a hammer, would the Press have lost interest and the investigations gone away?

I like the view from up here!

I'm not a lawyer. I can't tell you if a law exists or not. As another poster mentioned I have seen a member of Bush's government / DoJ ... whatever his position was ... as a republican state that Trump can be prosecuted based on that email chain. . . . I don't know on what basis. And I couldn't tell you why a republican who served for a previous administration would come out with a falsehood.

But assuming we have NOTHING that proves any collusion - and I definitely see no PROOF that says that Trump should be impeached. . . . . .Do you think:

[A] it's a giant witch hunt and all based on fake news, hearsay and the loony left having their panties in a wad?
[B] there is sufficient reason to think that an investigation is in order and if any member of the Trump campaign did collude and work with a foreign power to gain the Presidency - AND it can be proven in a court of law - then they should investigate and prosecute to the fullest extent ?
[C] it doesn't matter.

No I do not think that. And the media most certainly did not do that with Hilary. Fox news ran with that story as did a host of other media outlets. CNN and all the "left" media also covered the story and it was widely condemned. They certainly covered the Comey commentary on it too.

Well then, let me ask you this...

If Melania Trump had met with Jeff Sessions on the tarmac in France would the Trump Jr. story just go away?

I don't believe you or I know enough about the law to say that.

You sure you're not confusing me with the Don? Looks like he has quite the mess to cleanup.

He could start with that mess on top of his head.

obfuscation and deflection - simple.

Same Q to you as I asked Diam.

- You think there is absolutely nothing suspicious and and the investigation is a total fake news driven event?

- You think it should be investigated?

- It doesn't matter?

Just seems to me some people are privileged while others are not.

Some can get away with murder while others can't even speak.

You actually are coming across as one of the very few objective posters on this forum. You criticize both sides. I appreciate the objectivity.

Spoken like a true fence sitter painter.

No, spoken like someone w/an open mind.

This is why you don't get you kids involved in your shenanigans:

Donald Trump Jr. contradicts himself in emails he revealed

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/donald-trump-j...topstories.html

Donald Trump Jr.'s effort at transparency on Tuesday may have backfired.

That's because the email chain he released on Tuesday, which detailed plans for a meeting at Trump Tower in June 2016 with someone he was told was a Russian government official with incriminating information on the Clinton campaign, appears to contradict one key narrative he provided about the encounter before those emails became public.

In a statement Donald Trump Jr. made to ABC News on July 9 after the New York Times first broke the story of that meeting, he said he'd never shared the substance of the meeting ahead of time with the other campaign officials who attended: Paul Manafort (then campaign chairman) and Jared Kushner (President Trump's son-in law and now senior adviser). “I asked Jared [Kushner] and Paul [Manafort] to attend, but told them nothing of the substance.”

Offered Russian aid to 'incriminate Hillary,' Donald Trump Jr. wrote 'I love it'

Trump Jr. meeting with Russian lawyer may have violated campaign laws, say legal experts

But that statement doesn't comport with the emails he put out on his own twitter account.

In fact, the emails show Trump forwarded an entire back and forth correspondence about the substance of the meeting and the logistics to both Manafort and Kushner once it had all been set up.

The email chain Trump forwarded provides a detailed conversation between himself and Rob Goldstone, the music publicist responsible for setting up the email thread and conversation. Goldstone tells Trump, among other things, that he could provide "official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia.”

Trump responded to the request for a meeting positively, saying to Goldstone, “if it’s what you say I love it.”

Tuesday morning, he released his email exchange over Twitter, claiming that the release was an attempt “to be totally transparent,” attaching a statement about the communications between himself and Goldstone, in addition to the emails themselves.

A source close to Manafort told ABC News that the campaign manager was forwarded the messages but didn’t read all the way to the bottom of the entire email thread.

*L* at the view up there comment ..

I would take B ...

Republicans hate Trump also ... u do know that? .. please tell me u know that .. especially someone from the Bush admin .. u now the Bushes didn't even vote for him .. don't u? ..

One could say theres a wee bit of bad blood between trump and anyone Bush .. thats actually not true .. one of there kids messed up and said Trump had a lot of good ideas .. not sure if hes part of the family anymore ... *L* ..

Well I think that many or most Americans probably feel that when it came down to a choice between Hilary and Trump then basically America had already lost. Both wretched candidates - I get the anti-establishment vote leaning toward Trump. But as well as being anti-establishment Trump is basically a vulgar, insecure bully. He doesn't represent one iota of what I would want my head of state to represent. His lashing out at individuals in the media isn't behavior I'd want my kids or family to emulate. It's an embarrassment.

As for the rest of it - the popular vote, the crowd size, fake news and alternative facts - I think it's part Trump thinking he's a master manipulator and partly his insecurity.

Russia? I think there is a ton of smoke, and it needs investigating. Trump and his supporters saying there is no evidence ... need to wait till the investigation has been completed. It takes a lot of TIME to prove and investigate something like this. . . . just like the liberal leaning media outlets need to wait before rushing to judgement too. They lose credibility. ---> I am sort of reminded of the situation with "global warming" where people rushed to judgement and stretched the data or misrepresented it and all that did was set the truth back and create an easy narrative for the other side. Seems the same sort of thing here - people on both sides should sit back and wait to see what the facts are. jmho

I know the history with Bush ... yeah.

I also know 'many' Republicans (voters) say that Trump isn't a Republican. But all of those that I talk to can't bring themselves to disavow Trump and are in the process of enabling/justifying everything he does that is a disaster. The Republican politicians largely are standing by Trump - other than McCain I can't think off the top of my head any R that has disavowed Trump. . .

Like I said, you are more open-minded than almost all who post on this forum. That was a sincere compliment.

I am not very educated about politics and won't pretend to be. I just know this:

I despised both candidates. I ended up not voting for either. I think Trump is a buffoon and I believe many of his real supporters are racists who want to make America white again.

However, I could not vote for Hillary. Talk of free college for everyone, the Exit tax, the proposed health care plan, etc was a huge turnoff for someone who comes from a family who has always worked for a living. I do not believe in rewarding laziness or idleness. I think those things lead to more problems. Why work when you don't have to?

Both candidates sucked and it astounds me that we ended up w/those two choices in a country w/so many great people.

I am thinking our political system needs a massive overhaul. The debates from the "sides" on this forum prove that. The need to find some sort of common ground is acute and needed to save ourselves from ourselves.

Trumps not a republican .. neither am i .. *L* ... I left that crap ass party almost 30 years ago when i figured out BOTH SIDES were screwing us and only cared about themselves and their money streams and their parties ...

Trumps about as Republican as Sanders is a Democrat ... one of the 50 million reasons the POS Killary lost was because Bernie pushed her way way to far left ... if Sanders would have not gotten shafted by the Democratic Party and beat the POS it would have been a Socialist against a Moderate as opposed to a democrat against a republican ...

I dont defend him when i think hes wrong .. and theres plenty of that IMO but the haters on here never hit those subjects ....

And dude .. there's a bunch of republicans that hate him .. McCain is just the one that hates him so much he talks about it ...

Lindsey Graham hates him ... theres a bunch more that just can't say it publically .. hell .. i think Paul Ryan hates him .. DUDE WOULDN'T EVEN CAMPAIGN FOR HIM ... Mitch McConnell can't stand him ....

Just because they have to "work" with him .. doesn't mean they like him ... hes clearly not one of theirs ..

Over the next 6 months .. watch it unravel .. Trump has been a saint protecting these guys so far ... hes starting to crack when it comes to them .. when they can't get a health care bill done .. watch and see .. Trump has actually brought it up in the last few days ... the repubs approved repeal and/or repeal and replace plans and put them on oBUMa's desk like 70 - 80 times .. now when they have a president that would sign the bills they can't pass anything .. thats the first crack .. watch it end up an earthquake when they give him nothing to sign ..

I appreciate the compliment - and I get understand your thought process on all those counts.

Personally I think there is a % of Trump supporters who are no doubt white racist. I don't think it's a huge proportion - I think most are angry, disenfranchised voters who feel no connection to R or D parties and feel they are simply on the outside looking in. They wanted to someone to come in and be a rebel and shake things up. I don't think Trump is a buffoon - I think he's a media manipulator who played a great game and SAID whatever it would take to get the disenfranchised to vote for him .... those votes coupled with the 'core' of the R party were enough to win him the election .... most R were willing to vote for Trump with all his flaws than see Hilary Rodham Clinton be POTUS.

What's ironic to me - or genius on Trump's part - is that he's managed to garner the votes of many of the people who will be so much worse off under some of his policies. He's managed to convince the working class that he cares about them - when in truth I don't believe he gives a rats arse about them. . . . the best example of Trump's "genius" I can think of is him convincing the mining communities of WV that he's somehow going to bring the coal industry back.

I could go on and on - but I'll shut up. When he won the election I wanted nothing more than for him to be successful. I despise the idiots who cry and talk about the popular vote .... that's such total B.S. and the president is not decided by the popular vote. Anyhow - it's been an embarrassing ride since he has been in office IMO. He's assembled some good people in some prominent positions - but he's shown a woeful lack of ability (as has the R party in general) to govern ... But that's not reason to be impeached or ousted. But there is plenty to be investigated and that needs to run it's course.

For the most part opposite sides are so entrenched in their views that there is little point in discussion.... which is why DIAM's asnwer "B" is so encouraging. Because I truly don't see any other justifiable response!

""And dude .. there's a bunch of republicans that hate him .. McCain is just the one that hates him so much he talks about it ... ""

That was the funniest thing i have read all week - thanks for the laugh.

I agree that there are plenty of haters who stretch or manipulate the facts to bash him regardless of what is going on. . . . but when you talk about repealing and replacing the health care bill, ouch. 20+ million losing coverage AND how much being stripped from Medicare??? Seems like bad legislation simply for the sake of completing a campaign promise. A little like Obama=care was bad legislation because it was a tower of compromises.

The earthquake will be entertaining if nothing else ....

I haven't kept up with this story the last couple days but I am not surprised one bit about this - and it's a a BIG deal imo. I don't know if it's true in all aspects of law and if it would apply to this scenario - but one old adage is "ignorance is no defense of the law" .... so saying he was sent an email about the meeting but didn't read all the email is (to me) [1] probably a big fat lie [2] no defense.

I'm not anything like what u might think based off my posts on here .. theres a reason i post like i do .. like when i get lectured about being dumb by someone that voted for Killary ... gimme a break ..

Trump is a liar .. no doubt about it .. but hes a saint compared to the lies Killary has told and what shes actually done that just gets glossed over by her supporters .... are u kidding me with Benghazi and the e-mail thing .. what a joke ... or oBUMa for that matter ...

If the health care bill passes in anything close to what the last bill was (i haven't heard or seen anything on the one they came out with today .. but my guess is that its not very good either) .. I will not be a happy camper and will be upset with Trump cause he signed a CRAP ASS replacement ...

I'll wait til my suspicions are confirmed before i attack him ... and on here .. there will be no need to attack him as the hit squad will take care of that ...

Everyone on here thinks i hate oBUMa .. well i do .. he earned his monikor ... little do they know that even though I didn't vote for him either time ( i did vote for Bill Clinton twice and have voted for other dems . I just had no clue why a community organizer who was ultra liberal was the answer) ... fact is .. i stuck up for and said give him a chance for about 5 years .. then it was REALLY CLEAR what a POS he was and he cared more about the world than he did the country he was alledgedly running ..

I wanted business men running the country ... were twenty trillion in debt and jobs are leaving this country as fast as illegals are pouring in ... thats why i voted for trump in a nutshell .... if it were up to me we'd clean house on the senate and the house and start over ... id vote out ALMOST ALL INCUMBENTS ... theres a few on each side i like and respect ...

Diam

Your points would carry more weight if you did not resort to the silly name calling.

The D's made the mistake of putting Hillary out their as an entitled cronie. She was a terrible candidate.

Trump was worse in a different way. An entitled egotistical bombastic liar.

Hilliary would have been sneaky. Trump just can't get out of his own lies.

JUL 14 2017, 7:09 AM ET

Russian Lawyer Brought Ex-Soviet Counter Intelligence Officer to Trump Team Meeting

by KEN DILANIAN and NATASHA LEBEDEVA
link

WASHINGTON — The Russian lawyer who met with the Trump team after a promise of compromising material on Hillary Clinton was accompanied by a Russian-American lobbyist — a former Soviet counter intelligence officer who is suspected by some U.S. officials of having ongoing ties to Russian intelligence, NBC News has learned.

NBC News is not naming the lobbyist, who denies any current ties to Russian spy agencies. He accompanied the lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, to the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower attended by Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort.

The Russian-born American lobbyist served in the Soviet military and emigrated to the U.S., where he holds dual citizenship.

Veselnitskaya acknowledged to NBC News that she was accompanied by at least one other man, though she declined to identify him.

The presence at the meeting of a Russian-American with suspected intelligence ties is likely to be of interest to special counsel Robert Mueller and the House and Senate panels investigating the Russian election interference campaign.

Contacted by NBC News, representatives for Kushner and Manafort declined to comment. A lawyer for Trump Jr. did not respond to multiple requests for comment. Veselnitskaya, in an exclusive interview with NBC News, denied having any connection to the Kremlin and insisted the meeting was to discuss sanctions, not the presidential campaign.

The meeting was arranged between Trump Jr. and music publicist Rob Goldstone, who has ties to Russia. In an email exchange released by Trump Jr., the president's eldest son wrote "I love it" when told about possibly getting his hands on material potentially damaging to the Clinton campaign.

Goldstone told Trump Jr. that the meeting would be with a "Russian government attorney" and that the information was "part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump." Trump Jr. responded enthusiastically, "If it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer."

Trump Jr. said after releasing the emails that, "in retrospect, I probably would have done things a little differently."

President Trump has defended his son's decision to meet with Veselnitskaya, saying "most people would have taken that meeting."

"My son is a wonderful young man. He took a meeting with a Russian lawyer, not a government lawyer but a Russian lawyer," Trump said Thursday in a joint press conference in Paris with French President Emmanuel Macron. "From a practical standpoint most people would have taken that meeting. It's called opposition research or research into your opponent."

The plot thickens...

I think it's pretty clear that the Trumps are too stupid or arrogant to cover all their tracks..

You fell for it.

Here is what we will hear next..

It was a nothing burger. He was just a guy.. meaningless.

Ok,, So why not reveal it if it was a nothing burger.

John McCain was right. More shoes will drop.

seems like every day something else comes to light.

Honest answer 40:

Electronic communication over the web via email is very hard to hide. You can delete an email on your device(s) and that removes it from your view. You can use military grade disk cleaning methods to make sure that all deleted material on your hard drive remains deleted...

BUT your ISP, Mail provider (i.e.: gmail), your counterpart's device's, their ISP and mail provider all have copies of that email somewhere on their system. This equation and the number of possible locations it might be discovered is compounded every time you CC (share, copy or forward) your email.

They only sure way to not have something discovered that you want to keep hidden is to insure that you NEVER communicate it electronically, in writing, or verbally in an unsecure manner. About the only way to keep a secret today is to think about it, then forget about it.

I disagree entirely - I'd be happy to wager a large chunk of cash that if Don goes down it will never be linked to anything HE put in writing and in an email. I certainly think he's showing the arrogance of a boss who has never had shareholders or even a board to have to deal with or pacify and who has never been held deeply accountable for decisions and everything he says or does. . . But he's also sneaky in the way those that skirt the edges of the law are - and there is no way he would put something in writing that could come back and hurt him .... the rest of the team? Not so much.

He's a talker - he can't help himself with that. And I guess tweeting is like an email as it is written, and his can be offensive and not smart - but still maintain that he's never write the emails that Jr wrote.

Since the Great Recession which is now eight years old we've been growing at 1.5 to 2% despite the stupidity and political gridlock. Because the American business sector is powerful and strong and is going to grow regardless of they went to feed their kids and want to buy home they want to do things the same as American businesses what I'm saying is it would be much stronger growth had we made intelligent decisions and that gridlock, and thank you for pointing it out because I'm going to be a broken record until this gets done, we are unable to build bridges, unable to build airports, not graduating.

I was just in France, in Argentina, Israel, Ireland we met with the Prime Minister of India and China it's amazing to me that every single one of those countries understands that practical policies to promote business growth is good for the average citizens of those countries for jobs and wages and somehow this great American free enterprise system we no longer get it.

My view is corporate taxation is critical to that by the way regarding capital brings overseas, which is why the $2 trillion overseas benefiting all these other countries don't like that, so if we don't get our act together we can still grow. It's just unfortunate but it's hurting us, it's hurting the body politic, it's hurting the average American that we don't have these right policies. So no in spite of gridlock we will grow at 1 ½ or 2%.

I don't buy the argument that we are relegated to this effort. We are not this administration can make breakthroughs in taxes and infrastructure ready for reform we have become one of the most bureaucratic confusing litigious societies on the planet it's almost an embarrassment be an American citizen traveling around the world and listening to the stupid s--- we have to deal with in this country and at one point we have to get our act together. We won't do what were supposed to for the average Americans and unfortunately people write about this like corporations is not corporations competitive taxes are important for business and business growth which is important to jobs in wage growth and we should be making that along to every single one of you every time you talk to a client.
-JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon