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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
I love how one side of the aisle acts like Obama stripped everyone of phenomenal health care.


Democrats are too in love with themselves to notice anyone else.

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
How could the ACA completely fail?


It could fail when:

- You have a President and GOP congress railing against it and making already nervous insurance companies even more unsure if they want to participate.

- You have leadership that is purely political and doesn't care about the little guy at all, so they willingly sabotage health care by not enforcing the individual mandate, pass bills to defund bits and pieces,
and work against it for eight years instead of trying to fix it's shortcomings!


Obama has even said that the ACA is far from perfect, but it's better than what we had. Also I think it's hilarious that the GOP and especially Trump keep blaming the dems when they control the WH, both houses of congress, and have a conservative slanted Supreme Court!

The fact is that Republicans have no one but themselves to blame. They are a fractured broken party.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Your Dems are the dummies for approving ObamaCare and dropping that boondoggle in the Republicans lap.

Now you want the Republicans to develop a Medical Welfare Program!

Republicans don't do Welfare!


Nope. They won't do welfare for the poor, they do plenty of welfare for the rich and corporations. They are so corrupt that they can't get out of their own way to lead the country! And the fools that vote for them out of hate, bigotry, stinginess, self righteousness, and lack of education are the reason we find ourselves here.

I'm NOT saying all republican voters fall into those categories because the majority don't and are just conservative minded. However, the GOP fringe that has developed over the last few decades are running the show and are fully responsible for this President and this debacle!

You figure out where you fit in.

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Republicans don't do Welfare!


Until they or a family member become sick, or a parent needs to go into a nursing home. Then watch them



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Republicans don't do Welfare!


Until they or a family member become sick, or a parent needs to go into a nursing home. Then watch them



No, I was saying the Republicans in Washington are not the people to set up a welfare program. The Dems do that stuff, the Republicans fight to limit their damage to the nation.

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Remember 40 I don't have a side. I am down the middle, but I lean a lot further left when it comes to healthcare, medicare, and medicaid.


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Interesting poll came out today that sparks optimism for me.

Look at the source, and it's an actual scientific poll. This isn't an online pool, either. They had to actually call people.





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This is why I am for Repeal only.
Get together with the Democrats to work out the replace.

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Apparently you missed the stat where no one wants a repeal?

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A repeal will screw millions of people who can not afford to wait around months or years for a replacement.


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Everybody cries about every plan the Republicans come up with while ObamaCare collapses under its own weight. Propping up Ocare only sends billions to the insurance companies and does not help the people anyway.

Boondoggle explosion! The people suffer.

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Get together with the Democrats to work out the replace.


Guess the Dems know what the GOP doesn't rofl


That's Who Knew.... rofl


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Everybody cries about every plan


Three plans in 6 mo's...all included tax cuts for the richest American's and a promise to take away HC coverage for millions of American's.

Three plans....

1st=Mean
2nd=Meaner
3rd=None..Nada..Nothing. No plan at all only REPEAL = Meanest


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What about the wide swath in Americans who want to keep the base of the ACA, and have Dems and GOP to work together on a better option?

Didn't you read that barely anyone wants a flat out repeal without a replacement?

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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
What about the wide swath in Americans who want to keep the base of the ACA, and have Dems and GOP to work together on a better option?

Didn't you read that barely anyone wants a flat out repeal without a replacement?


Yes I read it and I also know that only Clinton and Obama ran the country from what the polls had to say.
That ain't leadership!

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
I must have missed something. I thought O care was the law, and will continue to be, as the republicans can't even come up with something to replace it that they can agree on.

Did I miss a news cycle?


Actually they all can. It was just Trump spouting off as usual when he doesn't have the power to stop them.


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It must be hard for you to make up your mind since Trump has gone from repeal and replace, repeal only and repeal and replace again in just the past couple of days.

I wish he would make up his mind so you know what to say.


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It must be hard for you to see that Trump doesn't have much to do with what passes the House and Senate. He can only push those in charge to pass something, anything.

You will have more "Trump Bad" ammo when he finally signs something.

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Publicly threatening to undermine the re-election of a senator in an attempt to get him to vote for a bill is low. Defaming Comey, Sessions and threatening a special prosecutor investigating you in Muller in public is just disgraceful.

You don't see any of this. I believe he was talking about people like you when he said he could shoot someone in the middle of 9th Avenue and not lose your vote. Somehow you would blame the victim.

The moderate Republicans I actually respect on this board see some of the problems. They aren't so closed minded that they can't see how degraded and disrespected that Trump is making to office of president to be.

You're a lost cause. Blinded by what you wish to label as loyalty. Maybe it's time you start to be loyal to your country instead of Trump.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Publicly threatening to undermine the re-election of a senator in an attempt to get him to vote for a bill is low. Defaming Comey, Sessions and threatening a special prosecutor investigating you in Muller in public is just disgraceful.

You don't see any of this. I believe he was talking about people like you when he said he could shoot someone in the middle of 9th Avenue and not lose your vote. Somehow you would blame the victim.

The moderate Republicans I actually respect on this board see some of the problems. They aren't so closed minded that they can't see how degraded and disrespected that Trump is making to office of president to be.

You're a lost cause. Blinded by what you wish to label as loyalty. Maybe it's time you start to be loyal to your country instead of Trump.


Boo Hoo, stay out of the grownup talk if it bothers you so. notallthere

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It's obvious you don't understand what grown up talk means.


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40 must endorse grown up locker room talk.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
What about the wide swath in Americans who want to keep the base of the ACA, and have Dems and GOP to work together on a better option?

Didn't you read that barely anyone wants a flat out repeal without a replacement?


Yes I read it and I also know that only Clinton and Obama ran the country from what the polls had to say.
That ain't leadership!


I believe former Senator and Secretary of State Daniel Webster said the federal government was "made for the people, made by the people, and answerable to the people", and Lincoln later made a similar comment during the Gettysburg Address. Even Gorsuch referred to it, I belive in his Senate confirmation hearings. If polls represent people, then maybe they were doing their jobs correctly...

And running a country from what the 1%, PACs, and Super PACs say is leadership?

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
What about the wide swath in Americans who want to keep the base of the ACA, and have Dems and GOP to work together on a better option?

Didn't you read that barely anyone wants a flat out repeal without a replacement?


Yes I read it and I also know that only Clinton and Obama ran the country from what the polls had to say.
That ain't leadership!


I believe former Senator and Secretary of State Daniel Webster said the federal government was "made for the people, made by the people, and answerable to the people", and Lincoln later made a similar comment during the Gettysburg Address. Even Gorsuch referred to it, I belive in his Senate confirmation hearings. If polls represent people, then maybe they were doing their jobs correctly...

And running a country from what the 1%, PACs, and Super PACs say is leadership?


You talking bout the same polls that had Hillary in a landslide? Nah, lost credibility.

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I remember looking at MSN awhile back and they had a Trump poll everyday about something and lo and behold everytime I checked the results they said that Trump was in a favorable position.
Well guess what, after about 3 days of these polls, they decided to change up the questions about Trump, now they came in as un-favorable. Talk about fudging the polls rofl What the media is doing is they didn't think Trump would grade out as well as he did so they had to fudge the numbers to support their views, same thing they did on the election. All had Trump losing big time Lie Lie Lie as always.


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
What about the wide swath in Americans who want to keep the base of the ACA, and have Dems and GOP to work together on a better option?

Didn't you read that barely anyone wants a flat out repeal without a replacement?


Yes I read it and I also know that only Clinton and Obama ran the country from what the polls had to say.
That ain't leadership!


I believe former Senator and Secretary of State Daniel Webster said the federal government was "made for the people, made by the people, and answerable to the people", and Lincoln later made a similar comment during the Gettysburg Address. Even Gorsuch referred to it, I belive in his Senate confirmation hearings. If polls represent people, then maybe they were doing their jobs correctly...

And running a country from what the 1%, PACs, and Super PACs say is leadership?


You talking bout the same polls that had Hillary in a landslide? Nah, lost credibility.


I said nothing about election polls. And should I take it that by not answering my question, you do believe running a country from what the 1%, PACs, and Super PACs say is leadership?

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I wonder which they will choose

1) Price caps and regulations to control costs. And [censored] off special intrest groups/lobbiests/industry and lose that under the table money.

Or

2) Pass some half ass healthcare plan that throws Americans under the bus and does nothing to address costs. And get GOP voted out at all levels the next election cycle.

Hmmmmmmm

Quite a conundrum the GOP has.


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What's crazy is if they passed #1, they would have almost unbreakable job security, as there would be *rightfully no reason to vote them out just in that issue alone.

But #2 is more likely because those campaign accounts aren't gonna fill themselves.


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Motion to Proceed on Health Care Debate Passes Senate.

And a rousing speech by John McCain!

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Motion to Proceed on Health Care Debate Passes Senate.



Yes, proceed ... Trumpcare=Repeal with no replacement to be named until after the mid term elections. A brilliant piece of gerrymandering. Good job.


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Motion to Proceed on Health Care Debate Passes Senate.

And a rousing speech by John McCain!


The Battle to replace Obama's Boondoggle continues!

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Motion to Proceed on Health Care Debate Passes Senate.



Yes, proceed ... Trumpcare=Repeal with no replacement to be named until after the mid term elections. A brilliant piece of gerrymandering. Good job.

How is that "gerrymandering"?

I wish our government would be more straightforward in their dealings.. but the Democrats did stuff like this for 8 years with recess appointments they knew they could never get approved and such.. so whatever, the swamp lives on.


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Tax cuts in disguise of taking people off of services.

2018 will be a fun flip of congress.

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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
Tax cuts in disguise of taking people off of services.

2018 will be a fun flip of congress.


Draw your hand back and get ready for less!

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Motion to Proceed on Health Care Debate Passes Senate.

And a rousing speech by John McCain!


Firetruck.... read outside the lines.


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Except my employer provides healthcare?

Nice try. Enjoy the midterms in 2018.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
Tax cuts in disguise of taking people off of services.

2018 will be a fun flip of congress.


Draw your hand back and get ready for less!


Unless you're in the 1% or are an insurance company CEO. Then get your hand out and be prepared to rake it in.


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