DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Emails reveal Trump Jr. offered info on Clinton to show 'Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump'

Maybe this? That's our Russian lady friend and Obama's ambassador to Russia

McFaul "the leading scholar of his generation, maybe the leading scholar, on post-Communist Russia" and a Stanford news release said his knowledge of Russia "was an important resource to politicians. He advised President George W. Bush on his dealings with Russian President Vladimir Putin".

jfan...McFaul, an equal opportunity Russian expert, advised Republican Pres. GW Bush before he became Obama's Russian ambassador.

What I find interesting, Natalia Veselnitskaya never had a sit down meeting with Obama campaign advisers but all she had to do was dangle a little bit of bait and Trump and his boys swallowed the hook.

I wonder what was in that folder she gave to Trump jr...incriminating pictures of dad..or maybe some copies of money transfers from Putin's bank to Trump sr's bank?

Hopefully Meuller will find out for us.

The diff between this cover and Daddy's:
-this one ain't bogus.

Hang THAT on your wall, Orange Julius.

They make a great point. If there's nothing to cover up, why do they keep lying?

Even Fox News is turning on this regime.

How much longer do we have to hear the deflection from the Trumpbots?

but but but Obama.... but but but Hilary... but but but the liberal media witchhunt

I love how Hannity now says all this Russian collusion is an act of Democrats setting up Republicans.

I've felt that Trump was a scumbag for a long time. Here's my bottom line on this, and I'm not even going to get into my feelings on him with his policies or his (lack of) professionalism.

The answers the Administration and everyone involved is providing do not pass the smell test.

- Kushner doesn't simply "misremember" 100 people he met with on disclosure forms.

- The Trump Jr. story constantly changing. First there was no meeting, then the meeting was about "adoption," next there was a meeting, now the story changes on who was in it.

- How "coincidentally" the timeline comes together between what Trump was saying and what is being uncovered.

I'm not even getting into the Magnitsky Act and the tangled web involved there.

Something stinks. And it's maddening that the party that loves to claim "patriotism" as its own is turning a blind eye to collusion with a foreign adversary that we have a long history with.

There are ethical issues all over this administration that any prior administration would be absolutely lit up like a Christmas tree over.

I'm very confident that I will not have egg on my face, when it's all said and done.

i guess any lawyer is gonna look bad at their jobs trying to defend this nonsense. dude flat out lied about the secret service. not looking too good.

U.S. Secret Service rejects suggestion it vetted Trump son's meeting

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-lawyer-defends-don-jr-meeting-says-secret-155645721.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Secret Service on Sunday denied a suggestion from President Donald Trump's personal lawyer that it had vetted a meeting between the president's son and Russian nationals during the 2016 campaign.

Donald Trump Jr. has acknowledged that he met in New York with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya after he was told she might have damaging information about his father's rival, Democrat Hillary Clinton.

"Well, I wonder why the Secret Service, if this was nefarious, why the Secret Service allowed these people in. The president had Secret Service protection at that point, and that raised a question with me," Jay Sekulow, a member of the president's legal team, said on Sunday on the ABC news program "This Week."


Sekulow on Russia meeting: 'If this was nefarious, why'd the Secret Service allow these people in?'

Trump legal team member Jay Sekulow is interviewed on "This Week."
In an emailed response to questions about Sekulow's comments, Secret Service spokesman Mason Brayman said the younger Trump was not under Secret Service protection at the time of the meeting, which included Trump's son and two senior campaign officials.

"Donald Trump, Jr. was not a protectee of the USSS in June, 2016. Thus we would not have screened anyone he was meeting with at that time," the statement said.

According to emails released by Trump Jr. last week, he eagerly agreed to meet Veselnitskaya, who he was told was a Russian government lawyer. Veselnitskaya has said she is a private lawyer and denies having Kremlin ties.

On Friday, NBC News reported that a lobbyist who was once a Soviet counter-intelligence officer participated in the meeting, which was also attended by Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and the president's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort.

The meeting appears to be the most tangible evidence of a connection between Trump's election campaign and Russia, a subject that has prompted investigations by congressional committees and a federal special counsel.

Moscow has denied any interference and the president and Trump Jr. have denied any collusion.

Sekulow's comments about the Secret Service drew quick criticism, including from Frances Townsend, who advised former Republican President George W. Bush on homeland security.

"Ok let's try to deflect blame & throw those in @SecretService who protect @POTUS @realDonaldTrump @FLOTUS & family under the bus," she said on Twitter.

The Secret Service's mission is to provide physical protection for the U.S. president. The agency also protects major presidential candidates. But its role in vetting people who meet with a U.S. president or candidates is limited to ensuring physical safety.

LAWYER: TRUMP UNAWARE OF MEETING

Trump himself has said he was unaware of the meeting between his son and the Russian lawyer until a few days ago.

"The president was not aware about this meeting, did not participate in this meeting," Sekulow told the CBS program "Face the Nation."

Sekulow added that Trump was not aware of any meetings between his campaign staff and Russians.

A federal special counsel and several congressional panels are investigating allegations by U.S. intelligence agencies that Russia meddled in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to hurt Clinton and help Trump. They are also investigating potential connections between Russian officials and the Trump campaign.

Senator Mark Warner, the top Democrat on one of the panels investigating the matter, the Senate Intelligence Committee, told CNN: "The level of credibility from the senior level of this administration really is suspect."

Warner said he wanted to hear from everyone who attended the June 2016 meeting.

"Whether we will be able to get the Russian nationals to come over and testify is an open question, (but) those people that our committee has jurisdiction over, the Americans, I sure as heck want to talk to all of them," Warner said.

That's what makes Fox News fair, they have opinions from both sides. Anyone who watches knows Chris Wallace, Sheppard Smith, Juan Williams and a few others have a liberal or democrat viewpoint.

As far as everything else goes on this thread, it's a flipping joke. I meet with business people about 10-15 times per week. I couldn't tell you who or what we talked about in great detail on the majority of them. But you 'clueless' people want Jr to remember every meeting he's had, who attended and what was discussed. This soap opera is utterly ridiculous and can't wait for it to end.

I find it comical you'll back these crooked politicians who become wealthy during public service and bash a billionaire who made his money in the private sector and DONATES his public service salary to charity.

I'm so happy my tax dollars are paying the salaries of these morons on both sides of isle. Get back to serving us!

Btw, thanks Diam, I appreciate it. It's a sweet deal! We seem to parallel on our views. The only Republicans I voted for, Reagan and Trump. Reagan didn't disappoint me as a whole and neither has Trump yet. Like I said though I'm biased with Trump, studied him for over 30 years.

My brother reminded me the other day that I had met Trump at a charity fund raiser in the 70's.

Darned if I could remember it but he was right.

You studied Trump for over 30 years? Wow, you should be an accomplished CON MAN by now then. Unless you were studying him for reasons other than being like him that is...

LMAO I would love to hear what you've accomplished in your life. I bet it's a short list.

I really don't give a damn if you like or hate Trump. What is tiring about the HATERS is they're making crap up about him.

Some are stretching things to find the conclusion they hope for.

Yet at the same time, constantly changing your story, having so many in your inner circle lying on their disclosure forms, two associates had to register as foreign agents.......

I don't know. It certainly sounds like it's worth investigating.

I have to ask anyone who posted on this: Where's the crime? What law was broken?

Here's a hint, there was no laws broken here.

Come on Eric, you know facts mean nothing to the Haters.

Look back at all the Trump threads for the last 5 months and you will see all the same Hate, void of facts, with all the same conclusions suggested, and in the end, nuttin.

So the very thing you've all been saying about this all along...like... "it never happened", "where is the proof?", "there is not any there, there". And now we find out meetings actually occurred with Trump officials and Russian operatives about the election and dirt on Hillary. So it's suddenly. "What law was broken?" You guys crack me up. I think we're going to find out if laws where broken very soon. Stay tuned Bro, as much as you hope it will, this ain't going away anytime soon.

I think we will find out - I just don't think it will be soon.

And when the facts come out - I think there will be a full court press to attack the prosecutors rather than deal with the findings. jmo

Why wait, you haters have already tried and convicted everyone involved. Just like the Lynch Mobs of old.

Pretty sure the lynch mobs of old weren't hanging and killing white folks. But whatever.

Talking to a foreign official is not a crime. Nothing was offered, nothing was gained. There is nothing there, other than the narrative of the left. Just to make you feel better, where is the proof? Are you going to call for an investigation of clintons people meeting with the Ukrainians, of is that ok because they aren't russian?

They were hanging people out of Hate and Emotions with no proof of a crime, just like today's Emotional Haters without Proof of a crime.
Only the faces have changed.

How do you know the faces have changed. "Lynch mobs of old" wore white hoods over their heads while they did their lynching.

Keep telling yourself that.

The Russians had a specialist Russian operative in the meeting on getting U.S. sanctions lifted. And according to JR the meeting was set up based on getting dirt on Hillary. So a possible trade on getting sanctions lifted for dirt. So there is that.

Then that secret meeting in the Oval office after the election with the Russians. You know the meeting that no U.S. press was allowed in but the Russian press was. So there was that too.


Drip drip drip

Today many wear black diapers over their faces.

And who have they hung and killed again?

You have no way of knowing this. Just like I have no way to know that laws were broken. We'll only know after the investigations are concluded and we are told.

For anyone to say that laws weren't broken or were broken is foolish.

What's really foolish is covering up, lying, and leaving off meetings with Russian operatives on Nat'l security forms then saying there's nothing there there. Then we find out there is something there. And now they have the gull to say there is no crime in meeting or colluding with the Russians.

We should be prosecuting the lies they've been caught in already.

Gull? What did the gull say? Same thing the fox said?


If so, it should go both ways, don't you think? Or, it's okay if a d does it?

I bet it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than yours, with less fear and more honesty.

Eric, 40, other Trump fans... You want to know what crime was commited? So do we. That's the whole purpose on the investigations, just like the Benghazi probe, Clinton Email probe, and every other GOP investigation drummed up in the last 40 years.

There is smoke here, period. Trump lies regularly. The Trump team never takes the direct path of presenting evidence or proof of no wrong doing, they all get amnesia on facts until the real facts get exposed, then their stories change. If these guys were arrested for a felony crime as normal John Q's they'd get shredded by ANY prosecutor.

Lying to the FBI, Congress, Mueller or the DOJ IS a crime and I'm sure they have done some of that, it's what they do... LIE.

Trump might be innocent of wrongdoing with Russia, but I doubt it. Time will tell and no matter how much the Trumpian Snowflakes want the investigations to end, the investigations will continue until the truth comes out.

Please tell us of President Trumps lies, with links.

Or is that smoke of yours just blowing out of your....

so now we went from "no collusion" to "everybody does it"?

the story keeps changing. even you Trump supporters have to acknowledge that. the story is constantly changing with this administration/family. the narrative keeps changing from their end. something is going on.

Trump Goes All In on the 'Collusion Is Normal' Defense

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-goes-apos-collusion-normal-161811961.html

After months of adamantly denying that investigators would find even a shred of evidence pointing to collusion between his campaign and Russia, President Donald Trump is aggressively embracing the view that his son’s cooperation with apparent Russian agents was entirely normal. On Monday, he acknowledged that his son, Donald Trump Jr., met with a Russian lawyer in the hopes of receiving damaging information about Hillary Clinton:

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As news of the June 9, 2016, meeting, involving Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, his brother-in-law (who is now a senior adviser in the White House); and Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign chairman, began to trickle out last weekend, the president’s defenders initiated a 180-degree turn in their line of argument. Gone was the claim there was no evidence of a collusion to be found—that claim was untenable in light of the emails that Trump Jr. released, in which he was very clearly informed that the meeting was with a woman identified as a “Russian government lawyer,” and that the purpose was to give the Trump campaign damaging information about Clinton, because the Russian government backed Trump in the race.

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The new tactic was to normalize collusion, arguing that in fact colluding with a foreign government in such a situation was neither nefarious nor illegal, and was in fact standard operating procedure. Jeanine Pirro, a Fox News host who has emerged as one of Trump’s most dogged defenders, even said, “If the devil called me and said he wanted to set up a meeting to give me opposition research on my opponent, I’d be on the first trolley to hell to get it.”

The president had mostly steered clear of the June 9 meeting, except to state he was not aware of the meeting and to vouch for his son’s character as a “high-quality person.” Trump Sr. briefly addressed it during last week’s trip to France, in an off-the-record chat with reporters, parts of which were later made public at his behest.

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“He had a meeting, nothing happened with the meeting,” Trump said. “Honestly, in a world of politics, most people are going to take that meeting. If somebody called and said, hey—and you’re a Democrat—and by the way, they have taken them—hey, I have some information on Donald Trump. You’re running against Donald Trump. Can I see you? I mean, how many people are not going to take the meeting?”

Trump’s tweet Monday is his clearest and most unequivocal embrace of the argument that collusion with a foreign country (much less a largely adversarial one) is standard-operating procedure. It confirms that Trump Jr. went to the meeting in order to get the damaging information, closing off a previous argument that the meeting was about adoptions. (The adoptions issue connects to the Magnitsky Act, a U.S. law targeting human-rights abusers, and could plausibly be part of a Russian ask in a quid pro quo.)

There are several key weaknesses to the “collusion is normal” argument. The first is that members of the Trump team don’t have a great grasp on what normal is. With the exception of Manafort, a well-traveled veteran whose attendance at the meeting remains mysterious and comparatively unexplored, many of Trump’s team, and especially Trump Jr. and Kushner, had never worked on a political campaign before, much less a presidential campaign. Veteran Republican and Democratic operatives both said such a meeting was unheard-of. One anecdote that has gotten a great deal of new attention is the 2000 incident in which Al Gore’s campaign was leaked George W. Bush’s debate prep materials, and in response called the FBI. That case didn’t even involve a foreign power, and there’s little reason to believe that the Gore campaign was unusually virtuous about opposition research; after all, it is widely thought to have leaked news of Bush’s 1976 DUI to the press.

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Second, the idea that other campaigns might have done the same is weak “whatabouttism”—the habit of trying to distract attention by pointing to others’ flaws. The question is not whether campaigns routinely collude with foreign powers, but whether such an action is ethical and legal. (My colleague Uri Friedman helpfully explores an accusation of Democrats working with Ukraine, in what appears to be a disturbing but manifestly lower-level matter than Trump Jr.’s connections with Russia.) Trump told voters he was not a politician and not beholden to special interests, and he promised to drain the swamp. Now his defense is that he and his aides were acting just like any other politician.

Then there’s the final problem with embracing collusion as normal: What Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort did might well be illegal. In May, Trump Sr. fired FBI Director James Comey, setting off a chain of events that culminated in the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel to investigate, among other things, Russian interference in the election. During Senate hearings last week, Christopher Wray, Trump’s nominee to lead the FBI, was asked about the Trump Jr. meeting. He protested he wasn’t familiar with the details. But he also offered some broad advice.

“I would think you’d want to consult with some good legal advisers before” taking a meeting with a foreign power offering disparaging material about a rival candidate, he said. He added, “To the members of this committee: Any threat or effort to interfere with our elections, from any nation-state or any non-state actor, is the kind of thing the FBI would want to know.”

(Wray also said during the hearing that he disagreed with Trump’s accusation that Mueller was on a “witch hunt.”)

Luckily for Wray, and for the senators, his answer to a hypothetical scenario is no longer hypothetical, since the president has confirmed that this is precisely the circumstance under which his son met with several Russians on June 9.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/pants-fire/

This is a fun one for starters.


Then this:

http://www.factcheck.org/person/donald-trump/

or this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/

I could go on for days... YOU ARE FAKE NEWS!

Unbelievable. Now we get to listen to the Trumpians try and normalize being traitors. Lock Him Up! ~smh

From your first link...
"This Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It's an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should've won."

You call that a lie?

Second Link...
President Donald Trump emphasized that an attorney who met with his eldest son in 2016 was a “Russian lawyer” and “not a [Russian] government lawyer.” That may be true, but Donald Trump Jr. had agreed to sit down with a “Russian government attorney,” according to his emails.

Lie?

Third link...
"CNN’s ratings are "way down."

That is what you got?

For there to not be any collusion with Russia, there sure is a ton of Russians they meet and/or in contact with on a regular basis:

Lawyer: Russian developer's staffer also at Trump Tower meet

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/lawyer-ru...2--finance.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — A representative of the Russian developer who partnered with President Donald Trump to bring the Miss Universe pageant to Moscow was the eighth person at a Trump Tower meeting arranged by Donald Trump Jr. during the campaign, a lawyer for the developer said Tuesday.

Ike Kaveladze attended to help translate at the meeting with Trump Jr., Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya and others, attorney Scott Balber told The Washington Post and CNN.

Balber told the outlets that Kaveladze works for developers Emin and Aras Agalarov and was there to represent them. The father and son worked with Trump on the pageant in 2013. They were named in the emails that set up the Trump Tower meeting, which promised damaging information on Hillary Clinton.

Balber didn't return messages from The Associated Press seeking comment. He told the other media outlets that officials from Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office were in touch with him about Kaveladze and that he and Kaveladze were cooperating.

A person familiar with the meeting speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the investigation confirmed to the AP that Kaveladze attended.

Mueller is investigating possible ties between the Trump campaign and Russia during the 2016 presidential election.

Trump's eldest son arranged the June 2016 meeting after he was promised that a Russian government lawyer would provide negative information about Trump's Democratic rival during the campaign.

In emails, Trump Jr. expressed enthusiastic support at the prospect of receiving such material.

Balber said Kaveladze wasn't needed as a translator at the meeting because Veselnitskaya brought one with her.

The meeting also was attended by Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner, then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Rinat Akhmetshin, a prominent Russian-American lobbyist and a former Soviet military officer.

Trump Jr. scheduled the gathering after a British publicist for Emin Agalarov promised that Veselnitskaya might have damaging information on Clinton she could share at the meeting. Trump Jr. has said the information wasn't useful.

Vaselnitskaya has denied that she works for the Russian government. She says the meeting focused on US-Russian adoption policies and a sanctions law.

You do know how it works there right?

All Russian lawyers are governmental lawyers....and there is this...

Ms. Veselnitskaya, 42, earned her status as the go-to lawyer for the Moscow regional government. For years, she has been a lawyer for the Katsyv family, whose patriarch, Pyotr D. Katsyv, was minister of transportation of the Moscow region for more than a decade, and whose son was caught up in the New York money laundering case.

The elder Mr. Katsyv is now a vice president of Russian Railways, a state-owned railroad monopoly that is the country’s largest employer and one long dogged by corruption allegations.

This is like watching my girls try to lie to save their asses, even though they can't get their story straight whatsoever.

Actually, they are way more convincing than whatever the hell is going on in the oval.

Sean Spicer Said the Russia Meeting Was Just About Adoption. President Trump Said Otherwise

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sean-spicer-said-russia-meeting-203123223.html

White House spokesman Sean Spicer said Monday that the focus of a 2016 meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and a Russian lawyer was adoption policy, despite President Trump’s own tweet on the subject.

Speaking at an off-camera press briefing, the White House press secretary said that a meeting with the younger Trump, then-campaign manager Paul Manafort, Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner, Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya and Russian-American lobbyist Rinat Akhmetshin, among others, was only about Russian adoption policy.

“There was nothing as far as we know that would lead anyone to believe that there was anything except for discussion about adoption,” said Spicer, referring further questions to the White House counsel.

The New York Times reported that Trump Jr. was promised compromising information on Hillary Clinton ahead of the meeting. Trump Jr. confirmed that report when he released the email chain that led to it, which showed he was promised “very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

On Monday morning, President Trump tweeted, “most politicians would have gone to a meeting like the one Don [Jr.] attended in order to get info on an opponent. That’s politics!”

Spicer said the President “made it clear” through his tweet what he thought about the meeting.

But But But.....They've been telling us all along they aren't politicians.