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I don't really think that he is drawing interest, Swish. And Kap has been drawing some interest.
Neither have been signed. I'd bet that Kap is one injury away from getting picked up. Not sure about Manziel.
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But Manziel said he’s had “a couple of discussions” with teams about a possible return to the league,
what he is not saying is that the teams he called said no thanks... that was the discussion.
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I don't really think that he is drawing interest, Swish. And Kap has been drawing some interest.
Neither have been signed. I'd bet that Kap is one injury away from getting picked up. Not sure about Manziel. The difference is Kap is a guy that can come in as a backup if you need him. Manziel still needs to learn how to play QB. Let alone you know.. a functioning member of society.
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IF ....he catches on anywhere, I'm guessing it will be the Cowboys
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IF ....he catches on anywhere, I'm guessing it will be the Cowboys That's actually one of the few places (now) that I don't see him going to. If there was a place for JM. It's somewhere with good veteran presence, and an established (older) starter. I honestly think The Saints would be perfect for him. Learn from Brees and Peyton. Take over when Drew is done. I also however think the City of New Orleans would be a terrible place for him... He definitely should seriously consider the CFL. Spend a few years there. Keeping himself out of TMZ. But still in Sportscenter. A few seasons of highlights. And actually learning to play QB. And boom. Someone desperate enough will come calling.
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IF ....he catches on anywhere, I'm guessing it will be the Cowboys That's actually one of the few places (now) that I don't see him going to. If there was a place for JM. It's somewhere with good veteran presence, and an established (older) starter. I honestly think The Saints would be perfect for him. Learn from Brees and Peyton. Take over when Drew is done. I also however think the City of New Orleans would be a terrible place for him... He definitely should seriously consider the CFL. Spend a few years there. Keeping himself out of TMZ. But still in Sportscenter. A few seasons of highlights. And actually learning to play QB. And boom. Someone desperate enough will come calling. Jones looked to draft Manziel in the first round of the 2014 NFL Draft, but he stuck with his scouting department, and the Cowboys took Zack Martin. Jones, however, has lamented missing out on Manziel on numerous occasions, even as the quarterback struggled in Cleveland. Jones spoke deliberately when addressing Manziel. In the past, Jones has helped players who had off-the-field troubles. Josh Brent worked in a warehouse during his suspension from the NFL and last year worked in the team's scouting department after he retired from football. "I would in any way offer to help him work to be where we all are rooting for him to be, which is having a successful life and football career," Jones said. "I would do that. You say, 'Well, is that because of football?' Well, I might not have been aware of this, had it not been for football. I'm aware of it. "With that, with me, comes a motivation, if it's appropriate within the rules or within the guidelines of the NFL, if we can be of help in the promise of being a part of the NFL through the Cowboys, I certainly look to that. But … I don't even dare, right now, go into picturing him in a training camp or an OTA or him in a ballgame. You don't go there." http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/stephe...johnny-manziel/It's only part of the article, full art. above. It's the only reason I think that "IF" he catches on anywhere it would be there. I agree CFL would be a great place for him to try to mount a comeback of the ages lol. literally. the Saints and a couple more teams I can think of would be good for him to learn from and grow into a true QB. In short. I wish him well and to get his life straight. And catch on somewhere, just not with the Browns.
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It seems Dallas already has a knucklehead in Elliott, I doubt they have the stomach to add someone who is an even bigger idiot, especially one who has yet to show he can play in the NFL.
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Can't blame nary a one of them, what with his mission to "wreck the league" and all.
No thanks. Step away from the train wreck. He got Un-due process from us IMO, and really did almost all the damage possible. Some things are bigger than football certainly.
Some fail to measure up. JM is one of those.
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It seems Dallas already has a knucklehead Yeah the Rookie of the year. And they also have their franchise QB thanks to the Browns.
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And they also have their franchise QB thanks to the Browns.
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It seems Dallas already has a knucklehead in Elliott, I doubt they have the stomach to add someone who is an even bigger idiot, especially one who has yet to show he can play in the NFL. Well, they have Randy Gregory.
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It seems Dallas already has a knucklehead Yeah the Rookie of the year. And they also have their franchise QB thanks to the Browns. Thanks to the Browns? Every team in the league passed on Prescott several times, but it's "thanks to the Browns?"
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It is a well known fact Dallas was trying very hard to trade up to get Connor Cook. Oakland beat them to the punch. With the below multiple trades
Connor Cook selected by Oak 100th pick
This is how it's related to the Brown's trade with Philly
No. 100: multiple trades:
No. 100: Tennessee → Philadelphia (PD). Tennessee traded its fourth-round selection to Philadelphia in exchange for running back DeMarco Murray and Philadelphia's fourth-round selection (113th).[source 19]
No. 100: Philadelphia → Cleveland (PD). see No. 2: Cleveland → Philadelphia.[source 2]
No. 100: Cleveland → Oakland (D). Cleveland traded its fourth-round selection (100th) to Oakland in exchange for Oakland's fourth- and fifth-round selections (114th and 154th)
So yeah thanks to the Browns, Dallas then took Prescott at #135 in the 4th.
Dallas got a rookie of the year and a franchise QB thanks to the Browns. I'm done here.
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It's hard to blame any FO for passing on Dak (remember, he had a poor senior year and had the issue off the field). It wasn't like Dallas got it "right" .. they passed on him too.
In hindsight, yeah, he'd be the #1 pick. But sometimes you luck into stuff ... as of now, it looks like Dallas did. (He could easily regress though)
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I'm sorry but I just don't see a story here. Did he talk to people? Yes. Did they tell him what he needed to do to try to get his act together if he ever wanted to be an NFL QB again? Yes.
But what does that have to do with them being interested in having him on their team? Nothing that I've seen.
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But sometimes you luck into stuff . Exactly, which has been my sticking point all along with acquiring a franchise QB. Just go with the BPA in the draft and a QB will fall to us sooner rather than later. Trading away top picks every year and reaching for QB's isn't helping the Browns much if at all.
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I'm sorry but I just don't see a story here. Yeah JM is self promoting and his talk with NFL teams are embellished.
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It's hard to blame any FO for passing on Dak (remember, he had a poor senior year and had the issue off the field). It wasn't like Dallas got it "right" .. they passed on him too.
In hindsight, yeah, he'd be the #1 pick. But sometimes you luck into stuff ... as of now, it looks like Dallas did. (He could easily regress though)
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2012..12...18....29..62.1...194....6.7 ..4....0..163.8...32...118..3.7...4....0.......0....0.0....0..
2013..11..156..267..58.4..1,940..7.3..10....7..126.6..134..829..6.2..13....2.....53...26.5...2..
2014..13..244..396..61.6..3,449..8.7..27..11..151.7..210..986..4.7..14....2.....35...17.5...1..
2015..13..316..477..66.2..3,793..8.0..29...5...151.0..160..588..3.7..10...0.....0.....0.0....0..
Prescott ran less his senior year and passed more..most pro scouts would not consider that a negative.
As you can see, this idea that Prescott had a poor senior season is just some excuse teams like the Browns make up so they don't look so inept.
Prescott had a DUI hanging over his head and rather than look into any of the details of the situation, the analytics crew branded Prescott guilty of DUI.
Had the Browns taken the time to look into the facts of the dui case, they might not have held it against him. Obviously the Cowboys did their homework and did not consider Prescott's character an issue due to the dui charge.
The good news, the analytics boys appear to have learned a valuable lesson from their handling of the Prescott case and did not repeat it when considering whether to draft Caleb Brantley.
BTW, Prescott was found NOT GUILTY OF DUI.
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Prescott had a DUI hanging over his head and rather than look into any of the details of the situation, the analytics crew branded Prescott guilty of DUI. You don't know that, mac. You are taking the word of guys on this message board who make excuses for the FO. I don't think any of us know why they really passed on Dak and chose Cody.
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IMO whether he had a DUI case hanging over his head or not picking him in the 4th rd. was not taking much of a chance just as we did with Brantley. But I can understand our FO probably had a "hangover" from JM. 
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It's hard to blame any FO for passing on Dak (remember, he had a poor senior year and had the issue off the field). It wasn't like Dallas got it "right" .. they passed on him too.
In hindsight, yeah, he'd be the #1 pick. But sometimes you luck into stuff ... as of now, it looks like Dallas did. (He could easily regress though)
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2012..12...18....29..62.1...194....6.7 ..4....0..163.8...32...118..3.7...4....0.......0....0.0....0..
2013..11..156..267..58.4..1,940..7.3..10....7..126.6..134..829..6.2..13....2.....53...26.5...2..
2014..13..244..396..61.6..3,449..8.7..27..11..151.7..210..986..4.7..14....2.....35...17.5...1..
2015..13..316..477..66.2..3,793..8.0..29...5...151.0..160..588..3.7..10...0.....0.....0.0....0..
Prescott ran less his senior year and passed more..most pro scouts would not consider that a negative.
As you can see, this idea that Prescott had a poor senior season is just some excuse teams like the Browns make up so they don't look so inept.
Prescott had a DUI hanging over his head and rather than look into any of the details of the situation, the analytics crew branded Prescott guilty of DUI.
Had the Browns taken the time to look into the facts of the dui case, they might not have held it against him. Obviously the Cowboys did their homework and did not consider Prescott's character an issue due to the dui charge.
The good news, the analytics boys appear to have learned a valuable lesson from their handling of the Prescott case and did not repeat it when considering whether to draft Caleb Brantley.
BTW, Prescott was found NOT GUILTY OF DUI.
Prescott was not even the Cowboys' first choice in the draft as Jerry Jones twice tried to trade up for other quarterbacks but was unable to get the deals done. http://www.businessinsider.com/dak-prescott-nfl-draft-2017-1Sorry Mac looks like the Cowboys didn't even really want Dak. But more settled for him and got lucky.
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I wish we would have gotten lucky. Instead, we got Cody. 
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lol I wish we would have gotten lucky too.
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Prescott had a DUI hanging over his head and rather than look into any of the details of the situation, the analytics crew branded Prescott guilty of DUI. You don't know that, mac. You are taking the word of guys on this message board who make excuses for the FO. I don't think any of us know why they really passed on Dak and chose Cody.
Like I said, the GOOD NEWS...it does appear that the analytics crew did learn from their mistake, by not branding Calib Brantley before he had his day in court.
Brantley might be one of the best draft selection the Browns have made in the last 2 drafts.
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I liked Dak and wanted to draft him.
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mac, I understand you are the King of Research. So, can you help me out? My research has led me a lot of articles like this one: Browns ‘definitely’ considered drafting Dak Prescott but preferred Cody Kessler Cameron DaSilva Cameron DaSilva @camdasilva Nov 15, 2016 at 1:45p ET The Cleveland Browns haven’t had a stable source of production at quarterback for more than a decade. They simply can’t seem to find a franchise savior at the position in the draft, and their free agent addition of Robert Griffin III didn’t pan out well at all. They tried to address the position in the draft this year by taking Cody Kessler in the third round – 93rd overall. He wasn’t expected to play at all this season with RG3 and Josh McCown ahead on the depth chart, but as they always do, things went terribly wrong for the Browns. They could have had a potential 10-year starter in Dak Prescott, whom they’ll face this Sunday. However, they opted to take Kessler 42 spots ahead of Prescott. Dak was certainly under consideration by Hue Jackson and the Browns, though. “We liked (Prescott),'' Jackson said, via Cleveland.com. “Obviously, he's shown to be really good. He was definitely a guy that was in consideration, but obviously we have the guy that we took and they have the guy that they took. Everybody has the right guy for them, and he fits for them.” Jackson is enamored by how well Prescott is playing, as are the Cowboys and everyone watching him play. He has a passer rating of 99.6 and is seriously in the conversation for both Rookie of the Year and even MVP. Heck, Jackson isn’t sure the Cowboys should even go back to Tony Romo. “Oh my God, he's playing extremely well,'' said Jackson. “He's a young ascending player, plays with a lot of poise, runs their offense extremely well. … Obviously, Tony Romo is not playing so they found the right guy for their offense and fits what they do, and he has done it extremely well.” Jackson opted not to comment on whether Prescott’s pre-draft DUI impacted the Browns’ decision to pass on him, considering they had just gone through years of Johnny Manziel’s antics. http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/cleve...er-draft-110316 Will you please share your research that has a direct quote from Hue, Sashi, or anyone else in the FO that says they passed on Dak due to him getting a DUI? Thanks, because all I can find on the matter is speculation. I can't find direct quotes, but I do understand that I don't have the research skills that you do.
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I can assume that was possibly part of the thought process.
And I doubt they'd ever come out and say that. Especially now.
Of all the QBs that year I liked Dak the best. Partly because I knew we could get him later.
And yes. When he got cited for the DUI, I basically assumed that took him off our boards. Mostly in part due to Manziel and Gordon.
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vers...the Browns never showed much interest in Prescott...
Prescott acknowledged that the QB-hungry Browns never showed much interest in him. "Just little interviews at the Senior Bowl and the Combine but nothing serious,'' he said.
link The Cowboys did their homework and were one of the teams that did the extra homework to be sure.
The Dallas Cowboys Didn’t “Luck” Into Dak Prescott; They Did Their Homework
link As for showing you my research..I would need a tape recorder of a phone conversation I had with a lawyer.
I have mentioned before, what research I did...you already know I can't post the conversation..so you will have to take my word for it.
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While, at the end of the day, it is speculation... it doesn't take a huge leap to assume the FO was scared off of Dak due to the DUI when they were just getting out from under the Manziel ridiculousness. It seems like people are VERY quick to forget how much of a headache it was to deal with that moron (JM).
Also, this is a QB that was picked in the 4th round. Let's not pretend like this is the same as passing on Big Ben.
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[color:#FFFFCC]vers...the Browns never showed much interest in Prescott...
[quote]Prescott acknowledged that the QB-hungry Browns never showed much interest in him. "Just little interviews at the Senior Bowl and the Combine but nothing serious,'' he said. Comments like this don't mean very much to me. Lot's of players are asked 'did you think you would get drafted by the team that selected you,' and more times than not, the player had no clue there was a ton of interest.
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Does ANYONE think Prescott would have the success he had last year IF he'd played on our team, with injured O line and not having Elliot in backfield and all the other respected weapons Dallas has...WOW, I'd bet Prescott would have had three concussions/ if he'd lasted into second game.....GO Browns!!!! PS JM just making noise hoping to get shot, NOT!!!
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Does ANYONE think Prescott would have the success he had last year IF he'd played on our team, Who cares? It's moot. Not to mention those kind of comparisons are ridiculous and always end up being a slam fest on the Browns players.
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The Cowboys also tried to trade up for Paxton Lynch and for Connor Cook.
And I'm pretty sure we're also linked to Josh McCown for a moment.
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The Cowboys also tried to trade up for Paxton Lynch and for Connor Cook.
And I'm pretty sure we're also linked to Josh McCown for a moment.
It appears that the Browns did little research into Prescott's character, by-passing him for Kessler, drafting Kessler two rounds before he was predicted to go, which was the 5th/6th round.
Reputable draft sites had Connor Cook and Paxton Lynch ranked ahead of Prescott so I'm not the least bit surprised that teams such as the Cowboys attempted to move up, in an attempt to draft them.
But the Browns analytics guys, somehow, ranked Kessler higher than any other team, putting him ahead of Connor Cook and Dak Prescott.
IMO, the Browns worried too much about what the media and fans might say, drafting Prescott, who had been "charged" with a dui, but had not had his day in court yet.
The Browns misjudged Prescott badly, as a football player and as a person and they failed to put in the work needed to find out who Dak Prescott was, on and off the field.
I will say it again, it looks as though the Boys did learn from their Prescott mistakes, doing their homework on Caleb Brantley, who was facing legal issues but had not had his day in court yet...very similar to the Prescott situation where, IMO, the Browns pre-judged Prescott and dropped him down their draft board before he had his day in court.
The Browns may have gotten the steal of the draft in 2017, taking Brantley with the 1st pick in the 6th round. Brantley was rated as the 1st or 2nd best DT in the draft and was projected to be a late 1st or early 2nd round draft pick, before he was charged.
The lesson...do your homework...don't listen to the media or what other teams say...do not assume "charged" means the individual is guilty.
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IMO, the Browns worried too much about what the media and fans might say, drafting Prescott, who had been "charged" with a dui, but had not had his day in court yet. Prove it.
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I had the same thought! LOLetc. Musta meant Flipper. JJones in action.
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Mac....I don't recall you pimping Prescott. The reason is I did, and you weren't one of the few.
Go back to your FO thread. It's about time for you to give it a bump to the top.
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As for showing you my research..I would need a tape recorder of a phone conversation I had with a lawyer.
I have mentioned before, what research I did...you already know I can't post the conversation..so you will have to take my word for it. I missed this. What research did you do that involved a lawyer? I don't need proof of a recorded conversation, just a description. I'll take you at your word. Are you saying you spoke to a lawyer that works for the Browns, the Cowboys, or Prescott?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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IMO, the Browns worried too much about what the media and fans might say, drafting Prescott, who had been "charged" with a dui, but had not had his day in court yet. Prove it.
tg...you have a clue what IMO means?
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Mac....I don't recall you pimping Prescott. The reason is I did, and you weren't one of the few.
Go back to your FO thread. It's about time for you to give it a bump to the top.
For the most part, I do not get too involved in QB threads. Those threads are dominated by the boards "QB gurus" who like to discuss the QB subject.
That does not mean that I'm not capable of studying QB video and formulating an opinion that turns out to be pretty accurate..guess I'm just lucky.
I did have an opinion on Prescott and posted it in the same thread you posted in, you comparing Prescott to Cam Newton.
I said there were two QBs that I liked in this draft...Wentz and Prescott.
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