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Medically necessary ELECTIVE treatments...like the stuff I mentioned....hips n knees and such.

Reading is fun.

wouldn't "necessary elective" be an oxymoron?

Yea and Pits Pigs are slowly growing wings so they may one day fly.

Pit, you got pigs, bro?

Nope...not at all. For example, someone needing a knee replacement. The procedure needs to happen for that person to maintain their quality of life and stay active. However, it is not medically necessary for them to keep breathing.

Any medically necessary procedure is done there and then as per triage model.

thanks for clearing that up for me bro

When will you ever wise up?

We even bring in an international guest from Canada to tell how bad his Socialist Healthcare sucks and you still can't grasp it!

KABAAM!!!

Well the fact you have a choice in a single payer system isn't something 40 knows how to process.

Your misrepresenting of what the guest from Canada said and his feelings towards healthcare for all is endemic of everything you seem to say.

Yet Canada lives there and thinks it's a pretty good system. Of course he's lived his entire life in that healthcare system. What would e know about it?

lmao

No prob. I know you're a sponge for knowledge.

Am I being "fake news'd" by 40? lol

OR is that Fox News'd?

Nothing worse than when a guest overstays his welcome, especially an international guest.

40 is the guy who goes to a foreign country, then gets mad when he can't find a Mcdonalds or Burger king on every block.

But you can always find goat burgers and some kind of fresh baked sissy bread in those countries. In Asia you can pick through the skinned dogs or watch them live skin frogs for fresh cooking because they lack refridgeration.
The World sucks compared to Murica!

funny cause goat burgers are also made here in America.

good job trashing your own country.

Dawgtalkers has no borders 40. No walls here.

It's lines like this that make me question if maybe, just maybe, you're actually just a really brilliant troll that wants to rile people up.

Yet.

BAM!

While I may not agree with the brilliant part, the rest is spot on.

Ok THAT made me laugh. I'm picturing a 404 error on screen with a barbed wire graphic telling me that us foreigners aren't welcome on American sites because we bring dangerous leftist ideas and dreams of communist utopias.

Brilliant is a huge stretch tho.

The one thing I have learned on these boards over the many years is once the Liberals start yelling Troll and calling names, I have won the argument. They have nothing left and can't refute the facts I have posted.

Well first you would actually have to post facts instead of GOP one liners that don't really involve facts.

Um...none of your arguments have made any sense and the only people seeing any logic in them is you. Despite me explaining it as clearly as I can, you make up a fact that the system is crap.

You tried comparing Canadian wait times for surgery from a thinktank report to US times to see a doc. Different things. (although I will absolutely acknowledge that wait times in US are likely lower in most categories)

And I don't know if you understand the internet term "Troll". It is a name for someone who deliberately riles people up...I'm not implying you live under a bridge.

Although given your lack of understanding of things beyond the 49th parallel, under a rock is completely believable.

Well I countered your lies about repealing Dodd/Frank with the fact they are making changes not repealing and I showed how Canada's healthcare system doesn't care if you wait in line for 20 weeks, munching on pain pills unless of course you have the money to pay for better, faster healthcare.
Just the facts, fair and balanced.

Has it taken you this long?!

Been saying this for a while now

RICHARD BRANSON: Moving America’s coal miners into clean energy jobs would be good for the world

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/richard-b...-180828271.html

President Donald Trump has pledged his support to revitalize the coal mining industry and create more jobs through deregulation.

Billionaire serial entrepreneur Sir Richard Branson, the founder of the Virgin Group, argues that the U.S. government should take a different approach.

“Coal mining is not the nicest of jobs, and coal mining disappeared in Britain many decades ago, and pretty much every single one of those coal miners went into jobs which were far more pleasant, far less dangerous, far better for their health, and I doubt that there’s one coal miner that looks back thinking, ‘God, I wish I was down in a coal mine,’” Branson said in response to a question from Yahoo Finance.

Instead, Branson believes that creating hundreds of thousands of jobs in clean forms of energy such as wind and solar would be “good for the coal miners, good for America, and it would be good for the world.”

During an earlier panel discussion at the DS Virgin Racing Innovation Summit on Friday to promote the inaugural Formula E ePrix held in Brooklyn this weekend, Branson argued that the Trump administration’s approach to energy is the wrong one.

“Obviously, what’s happened in America, having an administration that put out the most bizarre statement on [the Paris climate agreement] is not good news because you do need governments to set the rules,” Branson said. ”And, you do need to make it clear that clean energy should have a leg up over dirty energy. And you have a government that’s not setting proper differentials, that’s going to be tricky.”

As a result, American cities and companies will have to come forward and step into the breach where the government is lacking, he added.

Fellow panelist Andrew Liveris, the CEO of Dow Chemical (DOW) and head of Trump’s Manufacturing Jobs Initiative, does believe that the U.S. will find its way back to the Paris climate agreement.

“I’m not saying that out of deep knowledge,” he said.

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Andrew Liveris, CEO and chairman of The Dow Chemical Company
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During the panel discussion, Liveris noted that people had been left behind from a “massive policy failure” in governments in three key areas.

“Globalization, digitalization, and protecting the planet, sustainability, are three massive causes where we’ve left people behind. We’ve left them behind.”

Part of the problem is that equity market investors focus on short-term results instead of supporting companies addressing these issues.

“We’re in a 90-day march to make profits in the public markets,” Liveris said. “If I talk about something that has a solution two or three years from now, no investor will be interested. The investment community in this area is minor without a voice. The investment community in the area of not investing for the future is loud, and they’re demanding profits. And we’re doing it to ourselves.”

Liveris added that those workers who’ve been left behind, like a coal miner in West Virginia, need a place in the new economy. They also need to be brought into the conversation.

“They’re not even being talked to, let alone being educated.”

Speaking of education, he added that only small pool of graduates have degrees in science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM).

“We can’t find people to actually help us solve those problems,” Liveris said. “And when we shut out immigration, it’s even worse. So we are in deficit of the skills and training needed to help everybody solve this problem.”

Liveris believes that there needs to be a public-private partnership model that helps bring people along while addressing climate change.

For Branson, solving climate change is “one of the great opportunities for the world.”

He envisions a future where animals no longer have to be slaughtered for meat, which contributes significantly to pollution. He also sees a future where planes and cars are powered by batteries and homes run on clean fuels. These sorts of innovations would also be much more economical.

“If the whole world can be powered forever on roughly $25 per barrel for energy that suddenly means companies can make more money, people can make more money; hospitals can charge less. The knock-on effect to the global economy is enormous,” Branson said. “What companies need to realize, pushing to be carbon neutral by 2030, 2040, 2050 is sort of the final stop gap, should be good business sense for them, for the economy, for the people.”

Branson later told Yahoo Finance that his vision for a new kind of capitalism is one where investors put their money in companies that make a difference.

“I think it’s positive capitalism that invests in purpose-driven companies that can solve the problems of the world. So, as much as possible when you have three opportunities to invest in something, choose, and you haven’t got an infinite amount of money, spend that money on something that’s going to make a positive difference in the world. And actually, I expect you’ll get a better return as well.”

Let's be real. Those jobs are for people other than coal miners. Because they will not be created where coal miners live.

This logic is about as dumb as telling people with pre existing conditions to move to another state that might cover them.

I'm not saying its wrong to get off coal. But lets not believe a bunch of libtard bs about it.

Swish, he's talking a lot about innovative companies. We talked about that. Where you and I disagreed and I disagree with Branson, you want the government to educate and retrain these workers. I want the companies to do this.

Why can't we build sustainable energy and other stuff in those areas?

Bro, a lot of these companies are able to get help training through government contracts and such.

The sad reality is that a lot if these companies won't pay to train people unless there's an immediate incentive to.

But that's how a lot of innovation happens anyway. Do you realize how much innovation has been done with the help of our tax dollars?

So I don't see why it can't be both.

Because it is all rural backwoods mountain areas.

Nobody is starting a company there. Tt is not condusive to either solar or wind. And its not a smart investment business wise. That location sucks.

Couldn't the side of a mountain be an awesome place for solar?

And aren't there multiple ways instead of just those two sources?

I understand you don't agree with my ideas, but I'm trying to at least discuss something we can do other than just let them die off and be unemployed. Coal is gone, so unless maybe we just train them in a completely different industry all together, I dunno what else we can do other than chalk it up to life being unfair.

I totally understand your view, and I wish there was something to do for them. But this is all wishful thinking. Theres other jobs in mountain areas. Hunting, trapping, gingseng, tours/tourist stuff.

If I was starting a solar/wind farm, it would be outwest in wide open flat areas with high percentage of sunny days. Such as in the desert.

Do you think relocating is an option for them?

I'm not them, so I couldnt say. But who really wants to leave family? Maybe young people would be more inclined. But prolly not the older ones.

There's more to alternative energy than wind or sun. Run of the river hydro, woody waste biomass, hell...maybe even geothermal.

Make good ol' West Virginia the renewable fuels guinea pig.

Its mostly a pipe dream. Even assuming America could get off coal (not likely), there will always be other countries like China buying it up.