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Report: Cavs believe Irving trade is 'almost inevitable'
https://www.thescore.com/news/1338267

Kyrie Irving's days in Northeast Ohio could be numbered.

The Cleveland Cavaliers believe there is little chance of salvaging their relationship with the All-Star point guard after he requested a trade earlier this offseason, several sources tell ESPN's Zach Lowe. Cleveland is confident it can receive a "king's ransom" for Irving, and presume a trade is "almost inevitable."

The 25-year-old is reportedly tired of playing second fiddle to LeBron James, as he believes The King's tendency to dominate the ball has left him underutilized. Irving is also presumed to be envious of the special treatment James often receives, as several of the four-time MVP's associates are permitted to travel with the team.

Irving reportedly has interest in playing for the Miami Heat, New York Knicks, Minnesota Timberwolves, and San Antonio Spurs, with the last one his preferred destination.


Irving averaged 25.2 points, 5.8 assists, 3.2 rebounds, and 1.2 steals on 47.3 percent shooting this past season.


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This just crushes me. I love watching Kyrie play, he's one of the most dynamic players in the game today, and a joy to watch. This is an incredibly selfish move, particularly since it would've been his team in a couple years anyway. I just don't get it. Someone had to have been chirping in his ear, IMO. And there's no walking back from this either, so he's gone. I don't see any way the Cavs keep him, and "make" him play out his contract. What would be the point of having a disgruntled player on the team causing dissection in the locker room, and playing not to get hurt? They have to come away with some assets but I'm trying to think of a scenario where we come out of this better than we are with him on the team. In order for this to work, they'll need to come away with youth, potential, and draft picks, and there's still no guarantee we'll be better off. They have to set the trade up to strengthen the team for the future, then cross their fingers and hope for the best. But yeah, this sucks.


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This sounds like Kyrie and LeBron are going to be the next Shaq and Kobe

It's sad when the 2 best players on a championship caliber team that made it to 3 straight finals appearances and most likely would be 4 straight if they stay together just can't make it work

I'm thankful for the 1 championship they got but it's sad so much more will be left on the table over bruised egos and hurt feelings


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There's problems with our organization. Blind loyalty is how we end up with people like Baghdad Bob, Kellyanne Conway, and Karl Rove.

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This sounds like Kyrie and LeBron are going to be the next Shaq and Kobe


That's an interesting comparison.

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So, those 3 appearances don't count?

Are you already writing off next year?

Look, we all have our opinions, but I don't think the Cavs deserve to be bashed more than the Browns. That's simply my opinion.


The Browns have 4 NFL Championships. I guess they should be off-limits too?

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This sounds like Kyrie and LeBron are going to be the next Shaq and Kobe


That's an interesting comparison.
If that's the case, we should try to do anything to keep Kyrie and have LeBron exit ... however that would be


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I thought it was interesting because of the reports of jealousy. I wasn't comparing them as players.

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Richard Jefferson: Kyrie's 'had a much tougher time' with Cavs than anyone
https://www.thescore.com/news/1338296

On the latest episode of Richard Jefferson's Road Trippin' podcast for Uninterrupted, the veteran found out about teammate Kyrie Irving requesting a trade.

The Cavaliers' forward gave an honest and well-spoken bit of insight into what may have played into the young point guard's request and the pressure it puts on a team when its superstar begins to hover around a year he can opt out of his contract.

LeBron James led the Cavs to three straight NBA Finals since his return to Cleveland. He stands to make $33.2 million this season, with a player option for the 2018-19 season of $35.6 million.

From Jefferson:

This is what I will say about this, and by the time this gets out, whenever we air this in a few days: I don't know. I don't think that there's a power struggle, like, with LeBron and Kyrie, Kev (Love). I think Kyrie is a hyper-intelligent kid. Really, really smart. Doesn't get enough credit for how smart he is, and I think seeing that the franchise is in flux, seeing (general manager David) Griff(in) leave, the amount of coaches ...

I think Kyrie has had a much tougher time in this stretch of the organization than anyone ever wanted to ever really fully - he's the No. 1 pick right after LeBron, then he has three different coaches, then LeBron comes back, now there's trade rumors, now its "LeBron's leaving."

It's like, at some point in time, anybody would want some sort of stability. Even if it's the unknown, and I'm not saying - I don't know if he asked to be traded, I don't know this. But I will say that he's had a tougher time if you look at, from start to where we are right now, of the ups and downs of a franchise more than most. Even though we've been successful, and even though we've won a championship and he's been an All-Star, there's still so much of a wave, and to be like "Yo, we're going to sit here for a whole year on whether or not LeBron's coming back." That's gotta be tough on anybody, everybody.


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Yo Kyrie, that's life. When is being successful ever easy?


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Gee RJ............you got me shedding tears for poor, poor Kyrie.

What a rough life he has....

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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
There's problems with our organization. Blind loyalty is how we end up with people like Baghdad Bob, Kellyanne Conway, and Karl Rove.
There's a political forum for that garbage.


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NBA Trade Machine findings:

Kyrie/Frye for Melo/Porzingas

Kyrie for Smart/Crowder/Brown

Kyrie for Towns/Wiggins/Dieng

Kyrie/Frye/Shump/JR for Dragic/Winslow/Whiteside


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I would be fine with the meol/porzigas trade
Karl Anthony Towns isn't getting traded

I don't know all the other players well enough to make an educated comment. But they seem to have some potential given the little I know about some of them.


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Report: Derrick Rose commits to signing with Cavaliers
https://www.thescore.com/news/1338474

Free agent point guard Derrick Rose has committed to sign with the Cleveland Cavaliers, league sources told The Vertical's Shams Charania.

More to come.


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that's a decent signing. would've been better if he was coming off the bench, but with kyrie most likely bouncing, Tyron lue is gonna have to make sure to manage Rose's minutes.

he has super bad knees. we need him as healthy as possible going into the playoffs.

still wondering what we pull off as far as a kyrie trade.


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and welcome to the cavs, Rose!!!


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I wonder that also. I don't see a way the Cavs get full value in return for Kyrie.i wish both Kyrie and LeBron would just man up,put their feelings and egos aside and talk their issues out.


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Well from what I read, Kyrie considered requesting a trade right after we won an NBA Title.

So yeah. Doubt there will be much working things out.

Because even if LeBron leaves. I doubt Kyrie wants to stay here either.


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who knows bro. i have hope for a kyrie trade that involved melo and KP.

if kyrie doesn't want to be here, then get rid of him. that last thing we need is bad blood throughout the entire season. we're guaranteed not to win a title next year with that sort of drama.


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Silver: Irving-Cavaliers drama not what NBA wants
https://www.thescore.com/news/1338379

The implosion of the Cleveland Cavaliers following All-Star point guard Kyrie Irving's request to be traded has created a ton of buzz at a time when there usually isn't much at all for the NBA.

Commissioner Adam Silver can't help but love when the eyes and ears of the sporting world are on his league during the slow days of summer. He would just prefer if it came as a result of news that wasn't going to hinder one of his top teams.

"I love the interest. I'm not ecstatic about the drama," Silver said during an appearance on The Rich Eisen Show. "I feel bad for whatever is going on in Cleveland. I have no first-hand information, but I assume where there's smoke, there's fire.

"It's upsetting to hear that when you see superstar players who have co-existed, who've had so much success together - obviously three Finals in a row, and one championship - to hear that, for whatever reason, there's a sense that they can't continue to co-exist. Yeah, that's drama, but it's not necessarily the kind of drama that the league wants."

Irving wanting out of Cleveland reportedly stems from his desire to be less of a sidekick and more of a focal point, which is difficult to do when competing alongside LeBron James.

Silver has said in the past that he didn't have a problem with the NBA's lack of a competitive balance, with the Cavaliers and Golden State Warriors recently becoming the first teams to battle in the Finals three-straight times. He feels periods like that don't tend to last that long, and everyone else eventually catches up to close the gap over time anyway.

There's no denying losing a talent the caliber of Irving would hurt the Cavaliers, depending on what they'd receive as compensation in a trade, of course. With so many blockbuster moves having transpired over the last month, the landscape of the NBA has underdone quite the transformation awfully fast. An Irving trade would simply add to the growing list of stars who are changing homes for the 2017-18 campaign and beyond.


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You're on a roll w/all of these relevant articles. Thanks man!

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who knows bro. i have hope for a kyrie trade that involved melo and KP.

if kyrie doesn't want to be here, then get rid of him. that last thing we need is bad blood throughout the entire season. we're guaranteed not to win a title next year with that sort of drama.


That might be the best we can hope for. I think Porzingis is just what the doctor ordered for GS.


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Well from what I read, Kyrie considered requesting a trade right after we won an NBA Title.

So yeah. Doubt there will be much working things out.

Because even if LeBron leaves. I doubt Kyrie wants to stay here either.



Seriously, it makes me wonder what kind of man Kyrie Irving truly is. He experiences success, wins an NBA title, and then suddenly its not enough or the right scenario for him. To me it speaks of child like behavior. He should just man up and deal. He does know that without him, we wouldn't have won that title, right? That's the part I don't really get at all.


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I've been thinking about the proposed trades from the article that jester posted awhile back. A few make sense:

At first, I considered the Charlotte one and the Miami offer, but they weren't quite enough.

Now......There are three I like:

The one w/the Suns. We'd get Bledoe who is a very good 1; Chris, who is athletic as anyone; and Ulis---who doesn't quite seem to fit considering who else we have

The second one is w/New Orleans. Cousins might be the biggest head case in the NBA, but damn man, he can play. The chance to win a title and having LeBron in his ear might do the trick.

The final one is w/the Bucks. Middleton is an outstanding two-way player; Thon Maker is athletic and could help us on both ends; and Brogdon is a PG who has talent.

We might come out of this alright.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I've been thinking about the proposed trades from the article that jester posted awhile back. A few make sense:

At first, I considered the Charlotte one and the Miami offer, but they weren't quite enough.

Now......There are three I like:

The one w/the Suns. We'd get Bledoe who is a very good 1; Chris, who is athletic as anyone; and Ulis---who doesn't quite seem to fit considering who else we have

The second one is w/New Orleans. Cousins might be the biggest head case in the NBA, but damn man, he can play. The chance to win a title and having LeBron in his ear might do the trick.

The final one is w/the Bucks. Middleton is an outstanding two-way player; Thon Maker is athletic and could help us on both ends; and Brogdon is a PG who has talent.

We might come out of this alright.

I like bledsoe as well, and he and lebron are really close...like attend each other weddings tight. The trade i see quite a bit is bledsoe and Melo coming here and we lose frye irving and shump. I think that would be a good deal..I think anyway you look at it, barring the GM not having a clue, we should come out of this a more complete team


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According to @WindhorstESPN, the Suns would consider trading Eric Bledsoe, Josh Jackson, and a Pick for Kyrie Irving.


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My favorite trade idea that I've seen so far is giving up Kyrie and Frye for Dwayne Wade.

Like. Seriously. Stop.

Or the one where we gave up both Kyrie and TT in a multi team trade and got back Melo...

Vomit.

Edit: HA IT GETS BETTER. A four team trade that has us getting rid of like 5 people, getting back Melo, and the Lakers somehow ending up with Porzingas.

I'm going to bed. I just can't anymore.

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There are a lot of "Me" players. Kyrie is one of them.

I am not even saying that is a bad thing. It's too bad, but looking as some of the trade possibilities floating around, we might be best to made a deal.

Get a few blue chippers in addition to the recent signing of Rose, we become a better team IMO.


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that's a decent signing. would've been better if he was coming off the bench, but with kyrie most likely bouncing, Tyron lue is gonna have to make sure to manage Rose's minutes.

he has super bad knees. we need him as healthy as possible going into the playoffs.

still wondering what we pull off as far as a kyrie trade.


Starting or off the bench doesn't really matter. His minutes will have to be managed. Play it the way baseball managers do and give the player the day off every now and then. Let the player and his mates know he isn't playing unless we get in to foul trouble, or something like that. Catchers as an example usually get 40-50 games a year where they don't play unless you can use them as a DH. Most others get at least 20 games a year to ride the bench.


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Welcome to Cleveland, Mr. Rose. Stay healthy.

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"Congratulations on the promotion, now go trade one of the best talents in the game, a local fan-favorite that brought a ring to the city of Cleveland and who is currently demanding a trade because he's disgruntled while EVERYONE around the league knows it. Also, the media and fans will crush you if you don't get equal value. Thursday's are potluck lunch days, talk to Chris for details."


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... Keep Lebron happy for a year too.

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I haven't seen Rose enough the past few years to even know what his ceiling is ... I just know he's ALWAYS injured. Hopefully we can keep him on ice


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Kyrie for Towns/Wiggins/Dieng



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Kyrie for Towns/Wiggins/Dieng
Only if they throw in Butler too haha


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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20154...ing-was-unhappy

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I hope LeBron goes to LA.

Cleveland will probably make it further in the playoffs than they will.


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