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I remember Garrett's first game of 2015. It was against a Pac 12 school....Arizona or Arizona St. Dude jumped off the screen. He had a couple of sacks, another couple of tackles for a loss, forced a fumble, and was pretty much unblockable all game long.

I came on here on the College Football thread that candy [I think it was him] started, and I said that he should be the first pick in the draft. I didn't realize that he wasn't even eligible for the draft yet. LOL

Dude is a stud!

Haven't seen him since he came on and talked about meeting a scout for the Browns.

Let's hope for another day of hard effort and minor to no injuries. Let's get better, every single day!!! GO BROWNS!

One of the camp videos showed the QBs working on catching the ball and throwing the WR screen as fast as they could go. Kessler looked pretty crisp. Brock bobbled one but still fired it out but was considerable slower. Kizer had by far the quickest release of the 3. I was very surprised. I know its minor and he isn't reading a defense and throwing but I liked how quick the ball came out.

Really7 happy all these guys had a pretty good first day. Myles eating up the LT was good news, want to see him going against Joe and Coleman. Cam Johnson with first team was a bit of a surprise for me.

GC. ON Myles Garrett I have 2 Questions.

Everbody knows he can pass rush primarily,
a. How is he doing in recognizing and disrupting screens;

b. And How is he doing on Outside containment on running plays to his side.

2. Does anyone see him taking plays off, that are runs to the opposite of where he lines up, which I saw in his bowl game; are the coaches fixing him on this?

Not trying to insult his intelligence or anything, we all know/read he's an intelligent person - but I think we'll see Kirksey playing behind him, which will help him get aligned up/prepared pre-snap for A and B of your concerns.

JMO of course.

Nice clip.

Just my eye test - Kizer looks the most natural thrower. Brock looks like he has a hard time getting rid of it quickly. Kessler doesn't look noticeably shorter than the Kizer which I thought he would, but then they are in shorts and no OL in front of them.

Kizer has an effortless arm, that's for sure

Kizer looks to be slightly overthrowing his targets.

When we see Kessler launch it downfield in pre-season we might finally get some believers rooting for him ! Man I hope he comes through ... and if Kizer develops he really does look like a natural.

Seeing them throw one after another, you guys are right. Kizer looks like someone keeps speeding up the camera each time he starts his throw.

Can you share a link that shows the breakdown of these stats? I can never find them.

And apparently Njoku got the ball stripped away from him a few times today..

j/c:

I just watched the qb clip. I think people are seeing what they want to see.

hue was actually vocal about it ... i like it

good to hear kizer going good,
Any thoughts about the rt battle

It's time for some hitting and tackling at Browns training camp

6:56 PM ET
Tony Grossi
ESPN Cleveland
Editor's note: Tony Grossi covers the Cleveland Browns for ESPN 850 WKNR.

More takeaways from Day 2 of Browns training camp …

1. Sound the alarms: There’s an old NFL saying that training camp doesn’t really begin until the pads go on. Well, they go on Saturday and coach Hue Jackson promises to sound the siren that signals live tackling when the mood calls for it. “Anything can happen at any time,” Jackson said. “I like to kind of change it up a little bit. We will get after each other a little bit. Trying to build a physically tough, mentally tough football team. I want to see our guys compete that way.” Jackson’s tentative schedule also calls for a padded practice on Sunday, so Jackson will have a full complement of players on hand. Several veteran players have pre-scheduled days off – offensive tackle Joe Thomas, cornerback Joe Haden, receiver Kenny Britt, defensive lineman Desmond Bryant enjoyed theirs on Friday – to keep them healthy for the start of the season. “When we’re in pads, I want the guys out there, on the field and competing. So they won’t miss those days, I guarantee that. But there is a plan,” Jackson said.

2. Hold the ball: There wasn’t a lot of downfield throwing on a windy afternoon, and Jackson attributed that to certain installations the coaches had scheduled on offense. But that made three offensive turnovers even harder to swallow for Jackson. One was a Brock Osweiler interception deflected by end Nate Orchard and caught by linebacker Dominique Alexander. The other two were strips of the ball by defensive backs Briean Boddy-Calhoun and Marcus Burley after catches by rookie tight end David Njoku. “He has to hold on to the freaking ball,” Jackson said. “That’s got to stop and we will get it stopped. We can’t give the ball away.”


3. Big brother is watching: I asked Brock Osweiler what is the path for him to winning the starting quarterback job. “I think the biggest thing at any position as far as being a starter is being consistent,” he said. “Coaches talk about not seeing the wave -- the highs, the lows. Just be the same guy every day that we can count on. I think that’s something you earn over a number of practices and games – being consistent, not turning the ball over, moving the chains, scoring points and making good decisions with the football.” So everything the quarterbacks do is being charted and scored? “Absolutely,” Osweiler said. “There’s more cameras around this place than probably any other building in America right now. Everything we do is filmed and I know it’s evaluated.”


4. Quarterback update: Per ESPN Cleveland’s Jason Gibbs, here are the completion numbers of the quarterbacks in team drills on Friday: Cody Kessler, 5 of 8; DeShone Kizer, 4 of 6; Brock Osweiler, 5 of 8; Kevin Hogan, 4 of 6. And the updated totals: Kessler, 10 of 14; Kizer, 8 of 13; Osweiler, 13 of 18; Hogan, 7 of 12.

5. Brownie bits: The Browns cut running back George Atkinson and replaced him with running back Brandon Wilds. Wilds, 6-0 and 220 pounds, was undrafted out of South Carolina and signed by Atlanta last year. He appeared in four games with the Jets … Rookie pass rusher Myles Garrett is noted for his get-off quickness. But in a pass rush drill he bull-rushed rookie tackle Rod Johnson into the quarterback’s chest and in a team drill he swatted tackle Shon Coleman aside and was in the face of Kessler before he threw the ball away … An hour after practice ended, there a solitary player on the field doing sprints alone – Kizer.
It's time for some hitting and tackling at Browns training camp http://espn.com/blog/cleveland//post/_/id/3544

Ive read that Coleman has looked pretty good. He played both LT and RT at times.

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Camp in a Snap: Day Two, bumbling offense and a fight, too
by Zac Jackson, posted minutes ago
BEREA, Ohio — Thoughts and analysis from the Browns' second training camp practice…

1. Friday's practice was ugly. Like, 2009 training camp-type ugly from an offensive standpoint. Fumbles, dropped passes, bad passes…just the opposite of beautiful. That will happen when the players aren't in pads so the defense can fly around, and especially when the offensive line isn't whole. It's just one practice, and an early practice at that, but the Browns have a long way to go offensively. That's neither new nor surprising — good teams don't have training camp quarterback competitions — but it's the barrier the Browns must knock down. There are high hopes for the offensive line and the run game. There are, um, hopes at quarterback and wide receiver.

The quarterback rotation Friday remained the same as it was Thursday and through the end of the spring work ,Cody Kessler was first, Brock Osweiler was second with the second team, then DeShone Kizer worked with the first unit. Kessler and Kizer got off to strong starts with some impressive throws in the one-on-one portion of practice, and Osweiler later made a couple throws in team periods that had Hue Jackson hustling to commend him. But overall the quarterbacks threw a lot of checkdowns and dump-offs into the dirt, and the ball was on the ground much more than it was in a receiver's hands at the end of a play.

David Njoku, the promising rookie tight end who has a long way to go, twice had the ball poked away by defensive backs after making catches. Now, Njoku is big and fast enough to just truck those defensive backs in a full-contact setting. But the Browns need Njoku to pay attention to every detail, and protecting the ball is a pretty important detail. Jackson said after practice that Njoku needs “to hold on to the freaking ball” and that the Browns will address it.

Rookies will have bad days. This is not a league for 21-year-olds. The offense will get better, presumably. There's much to be settled. There's much growing to do. It's early, but there's really one question to answer.

Will it be a few weeks, a few months or somewhere in the middle before Kizer is the starting quarterback?

2. Friday brought the first interception of camp (Dominique Alexander, on a tipped Osweiler pass), the first fight (Shon Coleman pulverizing Karter Schult well after the play ended), the first transaction (the Browns swapped running backs, claiming Brandon Wilds and cutting George Atkinson III) and the first planned day off for some of the team's veterans, a group that included Joe Thomas, Joe Haden, Joel Bitonio, Kenny Britt and Jason McCourty. It's standard procedure and a way of life in today's NFL. The Browns need their guys in October and beyond.

Second-year safety Derrick Kindred was held out of practice after he suffered some heat-related cramping issues on Thursday. Jackson said earlier in the week Kindred had earned the right to be on the field with the No. 1 defense. We probably won't know much about the safety rotation and battle for snaps until the Browns start playing preseason games. There are a lot of competitors, but not many with any proven production.

3. The Browns practice again Saturday afternoon. For the first time, they'll be in full pads.

Jackson again promised that the Browns will hold full-speed, full-contact periods during camp in certain, controlled spots. He reiterated his belief that teams must hit in practice to develop physical and mental toughness and though he promised to be careful, he also promised the “siren period” will be worth watching.

“We'll get after it,” Jackson said.

I'll have my popcorn ready.

https://theathletic.com/79591/2017/07/28/camp-in-a-snap-day-two-bumbling-offense-browns/

I agree. I am no expert, but I couldn't tell much of anything from that.

I know, right? LOL

A bunch of throws w/no pressure to uncovered guys. And some say that two guys are eliminated already.

Personally, I really couldn't discern much from that clip. I was hoping the fans would kinda trust Hue on this one, but it appears quite a few have already decided who should start and who should not.

Booo!!!!!!!!

God, its been so long now I cant remember all the details, but basically there was some talking and comparing notes behind the scenes and we were able to find out his real name and I think there was something with IP addresses. I think Christy was heavily involved too. It turned out all the cancer stuff was a lie.

Quit being so uptight and just go with the FLOW

Really not trying to fit the film to my agenda. To me - at the beginning of the clip when they are rapid fire throwing the ball, Brock seems to just not get the throw off as fast. You don't get that situation in game so it matters squat one way or the other ... but I saw what I saw. And I posted what I saw.

I also said "j/c."

OK ! Understood.

Only time it would ever come into play would be on a quick wr screen. Just thought it was nice seeing a guy that big getting the ball out that quickly. Not like it was manziel or rg3.

Kizer has an incredibly strong arm ... he makes it look so easy and effortless at times ... u guys are going to be AWED at some of the things this kid can do .... theres going to be a lot of WOW's .... when he's on its a thing of buety ....

He's still a 21 year old rookie .... with some flaws ... its going to take some time .... i hope he doesn't get rushed .... u guys are gonna think I'm crazy after he makes a few jaw dropping deep throws ... just warning u ... *L* ...

He needs some time .... i hope he gets it ....

So Nate Orchard got the tip that caused the interception, and this means Orchard,and Dominque Alexander were on the field at the same time.

And Burley, and BB.Calhoun were covering Njouku, or at least one of the ones to meet him.

But mainly to say. Nate Orchard, making another play.

I know people with tickets get priority

but does anyone know if they are allowing a lot of walk ups in? Was thinking of going up tomorrow but dont have tickets

I watched it. My take was that Kessler was wearing boxer briefs, Kizer was wearing briefs, Osweiler was wearing boxers, and Hogan was going commando.