DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns' starting QB battle might be Cody Kessler vs. a rookie

I don't know about "best chance to win" or any of what you said.

I, for one, just want the guy who is playing the best to start.

I want to be very, very clear about that.

I don't want past histories, potential, draft position, fan favorites, etc to be part of the criteria. I want the guy who is playing the best to play until someone else is playing better.

As a former player and coach............anything else is harmful to a football team.

Sorry this post is late but I wanted to interject

I wouldn't take for granted that all those guys will be coming out. They're all Juniors if I'm not correct.

Andrew Luck could have come out his 3rd year and he didn't.

Plus it's fluid. Guys look great then not so good. Like Watson and Matt Barkley.

At this point 2019 looks solid, but it isn't anything that can be counted on

They are all juniors except Sam Darnold, he is a redshirt sophomore (I think he will stay in school).

Even if one or two guys stay in school, I still think it will be a very good class.

Don't forget Kizer ... its a Z Peen ... not that hard .. heck .. I'm the worst speller on the board ... so if i can get it so can U ... *L* ... his first name ... good luck with that ..

He was suppose to be top 10 if not the second pick behind Watson before they took a snap last season ... by the end of the season they had both taken a hit ... just ask cfr about Kizer ...

My year of suffering watching ND lose and him playing like CRAP may end up being a blessing in disguise if he can solve his accuracy issues and the game slows for him mentally ( bad decisions and locking onto recievers were a major problem) ....

Hopefully he just melted down under the jackass Kelly ("mental issues") and Hue gets his accuracy fixed with footwork and mechanical fixes .. if so, we could have a real good one at a bargain price ...

What is the maximum number of games the Browns can realistically win this year? 4? 6? 8? more? I think the Browns can win about 3-6 depending on luck and injuries. With serious questions in multiple areas of the team, I would be surprised if they win more.

Brock has the most track record. The possibility of him emerging as a franchise level QB exists, but is slim. It is doubtful that Kessler is a franchise level QB, most agree his ceiling is as a good backup. Hogan is barely mentioned and I suspect he won't make the 53 man roster. Kizer is the only QB on the roster with realistic franchise QB potential. He is also the one with the highest potential to make mistakes that could cost the team a game. He has the least NFL experience and the most to learn.

Assuming (and it's a lot to assume) that the 3 QBs come out of TC roughly equal, what's really the difference between 3-4 wins with Kizer vs. 5-6 wins with one of the other 2 if the end result is that we're no closer to knowing if Kizer can be The Guy?

If Kizer can't beat out Kessler and BO, then he's not ready.

Let Kessler hand the ball off to Cro all game.

I think too many people are assuming things. I still believe that competition should be fair and let's start the guy who is playing the best and gives us the greatest chance to win.

I'm not assuming anything (trying not to, anyway).

I'm just saying that if the bar were set any lower, they'd have to dig. If the guy can't even beat out Kessler, then he shouldn't start.

It appears you're asking a question that can only be answered by watching him on the field.

The job of the HC is to win games. In order to win games, the HC plays the best 53 men he has on the roster. If that happens to end up being Kizer at QB, Kizer will play.

I was making a general comment. I also have an open mind and will not just say that Osweiler is horrible just because a wind bag or two tells me he is.

Osweiler might stink, but I watched some of his tape and it was way better than what I've been told by a couple of "experts" on here.

I don't like Kessler's game, but he is young and might improve.

Kizer has some talent, but is young and doesn't have any experience in a pro-style offense.

I am just going to trust Hue and his staff to make the right decision.

Not sure where to put this .... may as well go here .... there'll be much to talk about this year with this guy so i may as well start posting news about him now ....

Deshaun Watson - QB - Texans

Texans coach Bill O'Brien said Deshaun Watson is "ahead of any rookie quarterback I've ever been around."

In June, O'Brien said Watson was "not nearly where he needs to be" to start, but his tune has changed in the last week. In addition to this comment, the coach has said Watson is "ahead of schedule" in his development. The Texans likely still want to take it slow with their rookie quarterback, but they are at least laying the groundwork for him to jump Tom Savage before week 1.

Savage is camp arm talent, Watson is backup talent. Guess that's a big improvement. As long as defenders drop his passes and the NFL stops calling illegal pick plays so he can complete those 4 yard crosses, Watson will do fantastic.

I'm not a fan of his ... not even a little bit ..... but don't underestimate what he can do with this team ... his SKILL SET is perfect for them if he quits with the bad decisions ....

He's got a GREAT D ... hes got a top 10 if not top 3 reciever in football ... and that reciever is as good as it gets at jump balls ... his wing span is off the charts and he has plenty of ups .... he has more speed than u could ask for on the outside with Fuller ... he has one or two very good TE's and a great tool in Miller in the backfield ... Miller is a multi purpose weapon ...

Add that to the D ... he won't be asked to do much ... his legs alone will be an upgrade over either QB they played last year ...

I'm not a fan of his .. but there's NO DENYING HES A WINNER .... he walked into a GREAT SITUATION for a rookie QB ...

We'll see how this turns out Mourg ...

That is not a recipe for success. Or for mediocrity.

Ya know, only the Browns can screw this up.

Osweiler is the only one who should even be considered a starting Qb day one.

Osweiler has a 14-9 record as a starting QB in the NFL

Osweiler has won a playoff game

Osweiler is the ONLY QB on our flipping roster that has even won an NFL game FFS!

Neither Kessler nor Kizer are up toe challenge.

Kizer may be...but not yet...Kizer needs time. I think Kizer will be very good but he needs a redshirt year to learn, and Kessler is atrocious.

Odds are Osweiler bounces back to be an average or an above average QB, and if our D pans out we can hang out right around .500 this year with Brock...thats a win to let guys like Kizer develop.

The more i see what Hue is doing the more I think he doesn't have a clue...Bellichik, Parcells, Johnson, Walsh...if they had this current roster of QB, all of them go with Osweiler on day one...you have to go with the veteran until the unproven guys can prove without a shadow of a doubt they are better, and expecting that of Kizer now is unfair, and Kessler just isn't very good, he isn't a starter.

If Kessler or Kizer get marched out day day one against the Steelers they are going to get beat up and embarrassed on national television...the Steelers at least respect Brock's arm and respect the fact he has won in this league and has played in two playoffs games winning one of them with a big time throw in Overtime.....

This has to be all show, Hue Jackson can't but this obtuse to think Kessler or Kizer at this point in time is the teams best chance to win...I think Kizer will be the guy, but not until next year. Kessler shouldn't even be in the conversation that guy is terrible.

I'm in agreement. I believe the QB that should start for us at this time is Brock. He has the most experience and is doing as well or better than the others in training camp. He isn't the long term solution but for now he's it. I would hate to see DK start and get beat up like some of our other young QB's in the past. Our opponents, especially in our division will throw everything they can at him and I'd be skeptical at this point if he can handle it. Brock has seen it in regular season games, DK has not. TC is a little different. JMO

There is a reason Brock is only playing with the 2's, and you actually mentioned the reason. He's not the long-term solution. Hue and Sashi want a long-term solution. Not patch-work.

JMHO, Any, repeat ANY QB who runs often will not last the season....yes, Newton is sort of an exception, but look at Watson- skinny....Grown men who want to hurt you are tackling you- unless he's way smarter than Johnny M or RG!!!, he'll get the same treatment.....GO Browns!!!!

What is often?

I dunno. Because I consider Aaron Rodgers a "mobile QB"

But that's just me.

Hell Andrew Luck got hurt last season trying to run for yards.

No, it's not a coincidence that I pointed out two white guys..

This is the time when Vets like Brock should start to shine. This is a time when Cody with his experience in this offense should shine. the most praise I am hearing about those 2 are decent but underwhelming.

Kizer its wow kid has it all but he misses the easy stuff to often. he looks like a real NFL QB. he is out there long after practice, dropping back and calling plays to no one.

At some point, you start putting your focus into getting the one guy ready at expense of others. Its getting close.

If thats true, then Sashi and Hue have no clue what they are really doing then.

Kizer, could start EVERY snap this season and you still wouldn't know if he was "the guy" or not. You need 42-48 games(3 seasons worth of starting) to even know if you have a viable NFL QB or not.

With Kessler its easy, you can clearly see his arm his limited and most NFL Qb with limited arms are not successful in todays NFL

Kizer certainly has arm and physical attributes to be an NFL QB, but you will need 40 games worth of playing time to even know if he is the guy or not.

This is why the Browns have done nothing but fail for the better part of a decade, because we get stuck with obtuse head coaches and GM who simply don't know what they are doing.

Brock Osweiler is going into year 5 of an actually not bad career so far....Osweiler should most certainly be in the conversation as the longterm Qb here if he can play well enough, to do otherwise is just foolish.

Brock had a "so-so" year last year...those saying he had a bad year don't know what they are talking about...59% complete, 15 TD and 16 int is not terrible.

Yes, Brock had a down year last year BUT its not uncommon for a young Qb to take a step back after having a pretty good year the previous year...this is what young Qb do when they are growing into a position.

The odds are very good Brock bounces back this year if our front office is smart enough to play him.

John Elway has forgotten more about Qb evaulation then our front office and coaches will ever know, and if Elway thought he was good enough to keep, i'd be smart enough to listen to him



If this team doesn't give Osweiler a fair shot hey are fools. Houston was an abberation solely because Brock didn't see eye to eye with the coach, and The offensive system in Houston was not a fit for Osweiler's talents.

The system Hue runs in Cleveland is very similiar to the system Kubiak ran in Denver back in 2015, and Osweiler is the best QB on this roster to run that system.

Mark my words, if Osweiler gets the opportunity he will change a lot of peoples minds about him....he is a very talented young man that will get a chance elsewhere if we don't give him one, and he will do well to. I'd rather him do well here.

Who knows, Brock could ahve a Pro Bowl season here and Kizer my never get off the bench. Brock could do for the Browns what Rich Gannon did to turn around the Raiders...don't be so quick to write him off.

While I do agree with you, I think that one thing isn't being mentioned concerning these types of QB's.

To me there's a difference between a mobile QB and a QB who runs. There are certainly QB's who are mobile, ie.... Rogers, who uses his mobility to move in the pocket to buy time to throw. This type of QB doesn't take nearly the abuse of a guy like Newton or in past years Vick who tend to run with the ball more often.

I know most posters understand the difference but I just thought I would point out that a QB can have mobility without being a QB that runs the ball as soon as they don't see something downfield.

Mobility doesn't always mean tuck and run.

Texans took a hit today ... Fuller broke his collar bone ... thats gonna hurt ... no one to stretch the field now ...

Will Fuller - WR - Texans

The Houston Chronicle expects Will Fuller (collarbone) to miss 2-3 months.

That would put Fuller's return range somewhere in Weeks 5-8. Because Fuller did not open camp on the active/PUP list, he is ineligible for reserve/PUP. We don't anticipate the Texans placing Fuller on injured reserve, but he's not going to be a factor in the first month of the season. He should be scratched off fantasy cheatsheets. The Chronicle expects Braxton Miller and Jaelen Strong to share Fuller's snaps across from Nuk Hopkins.

Source: Houston Chronicle Aug 2 - 2:08 PM

I hate to see players injured .... but that sure looks like it will help the team that owns the Texans' 1st and 2nd round picks in next year's draft.

I agree. The guy is at the point in his career he could make the big step.

I don't think the HC is giving him a fair shot, but it's early. That could change. We will see how it turns out.

. Absolutely agree.

There is no substitute for experience, Especially when it comes to an NFL Quarterback!;
And, it's been so long since the Browns have really had a signal caller stick around for 4 years or more, that I don't remember who it was.

There is no substitute for experience, Especially when it comes to an NFL Quarterback!

And I just don't know how long the Browns can keep this team together.

There is no substitute for experience, even if you are talking about new faces getting started.

So Whether it's Any of these 3, or if it's someone else not already in the picture, the problem is this team is going to trot out arguably the least experienced franchise Qb in the division and maybe the NFL at large.

And experience on the same team, experience together, i.e. a QB+WR Combo, is a factor.
And Whether it's DeShone!, or Britt and Coleman! or Kessler, or Brock! (or even Njoku, or other) They need to get them working together, and get the work in, that get's them on the same page, because it IS a factor.

Awesome take Knight of brown and I agree.
Im being short and to the point.

J/c....

Take this for what it's worth, but I was up at Training Camp today and was standing there with my kids while they were waiting to get autographs as Jim Donovan approached the family next to us.

Donovan had casual conversation with them asking about their vacation and other family events, the son asked him about Kizer and Donovan somewhat quietly said to them that the Browns plan, barring any unforeseen circumstances, is to start Kessler and then start Kizer after the game in London.

Like I said, take it for what it's worth, but it's what I overheard Jim Donovan say to the folks next to us.

interesting. doubt its true. too many things can happen between the start of the season and the london game for that to for sure play out.

If they already have a plan to start Kiser week 5 or whatever, they might as well start him week 1 and quit saying there is a qb competition.

Agreed, and they may just do that since he seems to be progressing nicely. But handing it to him without a true qb competition is not what I want to see.

You've got to take what Donovan said with about a millions grains of salt ... either that or they just formulated a loose plan til TC started and the starter gun pistol bullets were flying ... that would be the pre-season .. *L* ...

Last years plan was for CK to not play ... that lasted 2 whole weeks .... so much for th eplan .. *L* ..