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Here is the article that MKC wrote about what transpired during the last negotiations between Pryor, his agents and the Browns front office.

Pay particular attention to the part highlighted in RED.


Terrelle Pryor gave the Browns a chance after Redskins offer after all, source says


Updated on March 13, 2017 at 11:07 AMPosted on March 12, 2017 at 6:07 PM
By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com
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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Receiver Terrelle Pryor gave the Browns another chance after the Redskins offered him a one-year deal after all, a league source told cleveland.com.

It had been reported here Friday that he didn't, but a source close to the situation said that he did.

When he came back, the Browns' original offer had been reduced, the source said.

At that point, it made more sense for Pryor to take the higher offer from the Redskins, which is worth $6 million and a chance to make $2 million more in incentives. It also included a $3 million signing bonus.

The source said Pryor wanted to return to the Browns and held out as long as he could for the Browns to increase their original offer of about $8 million over four years with a sizable guarantee.

The Browns also really wanted to keep Pryor, and had been working to do so since training camp.

Pryor and his agents, Drew and Jason Rosenhaus, didn't accept that offer because Pryor didn't want to be locked into $8 million a year when the felt he could make more, especially if he topped his 1,000-yard season in 2017. One source told cleveland.com he was hoping to make elite receiver money, up to $15 million a year.

Three teams offered him a multiyear deal worth $10 million and one offered $11 million, the source said. But again, Pryor and his agents felt he could get more after 2017 with another big year.

Pryor also didn't accept any of those other offers because he wanted to remain with the Browns, which he had been adamant about throughout the process.

He held out as long as he could, hoping the Browns would increase their offer. They came up a little, the source said, to about $8.5 million a year, but not enough for Pryor's liking.

When the Browns opted not to franchise Pryor by March 1 at about $15.7 million, it became clear they weren't going to budge much, the source said.

Browns head of football operations Sashi Brown, who had been working hard to extend Pryor throughout the season, also made it clear at the NFL Combine that the Browns had alternate plans and were prepared to go in another direction.

"We'd like to have Terrelle back and that's a priority for us,'' he said. "That said, we're not going to panic if he's not back, also.

"I appreciated his remarks with the press about wanting to stay in Cleveland, and then it's on us in this process here to try to make sure we can exhaust all options to make that happen.''

He also said of not franchising him, "we understand that means he's effectively a free agent.''

At that point Pryor knew he might not be back, but continued to hope things would change.

The two sides stayed in contact, but remained far apart, despite the fact the Browns had an NFL-high $102 million in cap space.

In the two-day negotiating period before free agency, Pryor received the offers from the four teams, but none he was willing to accept.

He hit free agency on Thursday and soon watched the Browns sign receiver Kenny Britt, 28, to a deal similar to the one they had offered him: four years, $32.5 million ($8.1 million average), including $17 million guaranteed. Britt, a ninth-year pro, had almost identical numbers to Pryor in 2016: 68 catches, 1,002 yards and five TDs. Pryor had 77 catches for 1,007 yards and four TDs.

The Browns on Thursday also signed free agent guard Kevin Zeitler to a five-year contract worth $60 million, making him the highest paid guard in the NFL with an annual average of $12 million a year.

The same day, the Browns spent $16 million to effectively purchase a second-round pick from the Texans in the Brock Osweiler trade.

"They were willing to spend a lot of their cap money, just not on (Pryor),'' the source said.

On Thursday night, Pryor headed to Washington to visit with the Redskins and they offered him the one-year deal. Pryor still wanted to return to Cleveland, where he felt comfortable and where he loved playing for Hue Jackson.

So they shopped the offer to the Browns, but they declined to match or exceed it, the source said. The offer was less than what they were going to originally pay him.

Pryor, 27, signed with the Redskins, and will have the chance to hit free agency again after the season.

"He has a lot of faith in himself to have a great season,'' one source close to Pryor said.

Pryor will play with quarterback Kirk Cousins, who finished last season as the No. 7 quarterback in the NFL with a 97.2 rating. Cousins signed his $24 million franchise tender this week and expects to be in Washington, despite the fact he asked owner Dan Snyder to trade him, according to ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

The source said Pryor is excited to be in Washington despite the fact he didn't want to leave Cleveland. He loved the fans, his teammates and his coaches.

The Browns were the only team to give him a chance when he converted from quarterback to receiver, and Jackson helped mold him into a 1,000-yard receiver last season.

He had made it clear to his agents that he wanted to return to Cleveland despite the 1-15 record last season.

"I do love being with the Browns and like I said before, this thing isn't about joining a different team because a different team's good.

"That's not what it's about. I love the building process here. I started out in my career never coming in the front door. I've alway got to go in the back, the hard way and the long way.''
Like his teammate Joe Thomas, he wanted to be part of the turnaround under Jackson.

"I have no problem with, just because we were 1-15 or whatever this year, coming back,'' he said. "I don't mind starting fresh next year and continuing to grow, because I think it's more exciting when you're on the bottom. I'm always citing starting from the bottom and getting to the top, and I think it's a greater feeling and it would be great to give Cleveland what they're looking for.''

In Washington, the Redskins lost Desean Jackson and Pierre Garcon and needed a featured receiver. In Cleveland, the Browns have Corey Coleman and now Britt, and Pryor may not have started as much as he will in Washington.

"He'll leave the door open to coming back to Cleveland,'' the source said. "It's really where he wanted to be all along.''

I wonder if Gruden will throw more red zone fades than the one pass he recieved every 8 red zone trips TP got thrown his way under the "genius" offensive mind we have running things here ... me guesses Gruden is smarter than Hue when it comes to that ...

Pryor is so full of crap he stinks. If he wanted to be here...guess what? He'd be here. He turned down more money from us to go elsewhere. Sashi has already stated that they wanted a long term deal, Pryor did not. end of story. He didn't want to be here so screw him.

So that's all you've got....an unnamed source who provides no numbers or specifics.... and the only one he shared this with is MKC? That's what prompted you to say, "There's no debate on the subject, so save it!" If someone posted garbage like this to refute your points, you'd be all over it.

Hmm... I don't remember having a QB who could throw a fade.

Not only does basing the foundation of your 'proof' on un-named sources .... not only is it Mark K .... I don't think that "proves" anything.

What we do know from multiple sources is that TP got the biggest contractor offer from any team in the NF freaking L .... from the Cleveland Browns. There is NOTHING ELSE to say that hasn't been said 10,000 times before.

The ONLY thing to pay attention to in that article is the DATE ..... March. Its now --> AUGUST. Please can we move on.

I don't know if anyone else has said this, but mac definitely called Drew Rosenhaus and asked him about the contract negotiations.

According to that logic we should NEVER have thrown the ball in the red zone last year .. or pretty much anywhere else on the field ... *L* ...

Great point ... BRILLIANT as a matter of fact ...

The FO played it right. We had the best long term deal. TP didn't want that. He wanted a 1 year deal. Maybe it works out for him, maybe it doesn't.

I don't blame the FO for not wanting to sign him to a 1 year deal or not giving him 14 mil a year because he thinks he is worth that amount.


Why are we even discussing this? We have real football going on. The FO is out of the headlines at this point. We have a coach coaching and players playing.

Terrelle Pryor's free agency foray comes to lackluster end with Redskins deal

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/03/10/terrelle-pryor-free-agency-contract-redskins

The obvious hint that Terrelle Pryor may not strike it rich the way he was hoping this free-agent season came when his former team, the Browns, took their oodles of cap space and handed $32.5 million to WR Kenny Britt.

Cleveland’s decision not to spend its franchise tag on Pryor was met with mixed reactions, but it never was much of a secret that the front office had a different opinion of Pryor’s worth than the receiver himself—and, one can assume, his agent—did.

“We’re still looking forward to working towards finding some middle ground with Terrelle to bring him back and have him as a Cleveland Brown for a long time,” GM Sashi Brown said at the NFL combine. “I think we’d like to have Terrelle back and that’s a priority for us. That said, we’re not going to panic if he’s not back.”

With Britt a Brown, Pryor headed elsewhere, signing Friday with Washington for one year and $8 million, per Master Tesfatsion of The Washington Post.

There’s really no way around it: That has to be a disappointing outcome for Pryor, especially given how the receiver market had played out to date. Britt and Kenny Stills (four years, $32 million) landed with per-year averages in line with Pryor’s haul, but both received longer contracts and more guaranteed money. Alshon Jeffery also took a one-year offer, from the Eagles, but his came with a $14 million price tag.

Pryor, who turns 28 in June, now only can hope to follow up his breakthrough 2016 season with another 1,000-yard campaign that vaults him into free agency again next off-season. By then, at least, he’ll have two years’ worth of experience as a full-time receiver under his belt. That he hit free agency this time around with just his ’16 showing to fall back on ultimately appears to have worked against him.

The Redskins needed a move like this to keep their offense from fading next season. They lost both DeSean Jackson (to Tampa Bay) and Pierre Garcon (to San Francisco) this week. That duo combined for 2,046 yards last season.

Also gone is former offensive coordinator Sean McVay, who took the Rams’ coaching job. It’s still up for debate how franchise-tagged QB Kirk Cousins—assuming he’s not traded—might fare under new O.C. Matt Cavanaugh, but Pryor should help offset those Jackson and Garcon departures.

Even minus the Jackson/Garcon pairing, Pryor will have to compete for targets against the likes of TE Jordan Reed and up-and-coming receivers Josh Doctson and Jamison Crowder. He may find it tough to match the 140 targets Cleveland fed him last season.

What will free agency hold for Pryor a year from now? That all depends on how he plays in Washington, but this journey onto the market has to feel like a letdown.

I maintain we should have at least transition tagged Pryor. There is no good reason he is not currently on our team. I consider it a fail by the front office.

A transition tag is a tool used by National Football League teams to retain unrestricted free agents. It guarantees the original club the right of first refusal to match any offer the player may make with another team.

What difference would that have made? Were there that many teams offering him big contracts?

He'd still be on the team.

How so the Browns didn't want a ONE YEAR DEAL?

I disagree with them.

You should have opened your wallet and offered to pay the difference!

Yep, those video ads have started doing that lately. Scroll down the page, and then it goes right back up to the ads. I installed an add blocker extension for chrome to get around. Normally I don't mind ads, except when they keep me from reading the page.

Oh I do expect the same loyalty. The Browns showed that loyalty to Pryor by offering him that contract. Just look at how the Browns have treated these players this year.

Josh McCown was released early so he could catch on with another team (which is what he wanted)
Long Snapper Charley Hughlett was signed to a six-year contract extension
Andrew Hawkins was let out of his contract at his request.
Punter Britton Colquitt was signed to a four-year contract extension.
Joel Bitonio signed a five-year contract extension.
Signed Jamie Meder to a 2 year contract.
Signed Christian Kirksey to a four-year contract extension.

They have also made several promotions from within in the organization that most people have no clue about. In short Cleveland has been very loyal when compared to many NFL teams.

Lately i've been getting this too. Gets annoying when it changes your page view or whatever. I'll try an ad blocker

*Hands Diam a Pic-a-nic basket*

Your damn right they did. They were not looking to spend time working with a one year rental. What part of the team is trying to build for the future just won't sink into to your head?

You have no clue what Pryor "wanted". None of us do.

Maybe the Browns are striving toward long term stability, continuity which the ONE YEAR DEAL wouldn't provide. Just an opinion.

Mac, that Washington front office really sucks the way they refuse to spend money on their own free agents and then pull out the checkbook for other people's free agents. or are they geniuses for signing Pryor away from the Browns???

OMG I know your smarter than this bro. Yes they had a chance to sign him for ONE, 1, let me repeat myself ONE YEAR. They are looking to set the Browns up for long term success not for ONE year. Did you see them offer anybody else a ONE year contract..... hell no. You would have been the first one witching if we had offer Collins, Kirksey, Joel, and everybody else ONE year extensions.

That is 110 percent correct, and it's something some folks can't get threw their damn heads. WE would rather go 3-13 this year if it sets up for longer term future success than to go 6-10 and have it set us back. I don't usually say this but I see a few Charlie Brown type fans around here.

Didn't they sign Crow to one year?

Ahhh....No they didn't. Crow signed his tender until they can work out a longer term deal. Pryor wasn't tendered otherwise they would have put a tender on him also. I guess some on here did not read my reply above. Says it all. As far as the 10-11 million offers that you read about, it seems that those offers were for 3-4 years total. Making the offer around 3-3.5 mil a year.

Crow was signed to a one year tender for 2.746 million. He had no choice. Next year he can be a free agent and we will see what happens.

Well you seemed to indicate that the Browns didn't sign anyone to a one year deal. They could have offered Crow more than a one year contract but chose not to. I just think it shows you were incorrect in stating they simply chose not to sign any of their players to a one year deal.

Right now they are still negoatiating with Crow on a long term deal bro. Pryor slammed the door shut on anything but a one year deal. HUGE difference.

Or maybe we offered him a 3 or 4 year contract and he turned it down ... i KNOW it shows your WRONG in ASSuming when you said "they could have offered crow more than a one year contract but chose not to" ...

FACT IS ... none of us know what they offered ... all we do know for a fact is he signed his tender .... FACT IS ... they MAY have chosen not to offer him more than a one year tender LIKE U SAID (more than likely cause he's a LAZY, UNERACHIEVING BUM" ... ) or they may have offered him a longer term deal and he said nyet ...

Oh boy ... i hope they either sign him before my fantasy drafts or table discussions until after the season ...

A Crow playing for a contract is motivated, he proved that last year ... a Crow with the contract, I'll have to see it to believe it witch would make me not draft him til later than he will prolly be there for ...

Dang, i was counting on him ...

Let me be the first to say I am 100 percent in the dark when it comes to crow. I have no idea what he asked for and I have now idea what he has been offered so far. I am 100 percent in the dark right now.

So, now we're calling second hand statements from unverified souces "facts"? This article excepted, MKC hasn't posted anything original since Derek Anderson was here. When has this regime ever challenged what MKC wrote? Why hasn't the "source" shared this info with anyone else? The whole thing is fishy, and you're calling it "facts" and "proof" with nothing at all to back it up.