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Can't we just say LeBron's being passive aggressive on Twitter?

Man, I must be getting old.

i know haha

Every time I hear tweeting I think of

Report: Kristaps Porzingis is Cavaliers' primary target in Kyrie Irving trade talks

That brings a star back, but where would he fit in the lineup?

TT
Kevin
Porsingis
Lebron
Rose

???

I can't find the link, but Irving said he'd sign an extension if he was traded to the Spurs, but since we aren't getting Leonard, who else would we get? LMA?

Don't know about Leonard's defense, but wouldn't trading Irving and Leonard be a wash? Unless Leonard is that much better on defense, so they would be losing in the trade.

leonard is constantly in the running for Defensive player of the year.

Leonard might be the best defender in the league. He guards multiple positions and is tenacious.

He is also the heart n soul of that team. I don't expect him to go anywhere.

I agree. Sadly, the two players who seemed to be our heart and soul both will be gone within a year (or so it seems)

Leonard is probably the third or fourth best player in the league.

So, regarding Porzingis...

- Do you want him?
- What would we do with him?
- Would we have to trade TT+shump or Kevin to get smaller?

The Cavs aren't getting Porzingis.

the knicks won't trade porzingis ... that'd be dumb ... but IF it did happen, I'd like to involve the Suns and try to trade Love and Kyrie to get Porzingis and Bledsoe in return

Man, I think Love is so underrated around here.

LeBron James' Relationship with Cavaliers Ownership Reportedly 'Beyond Repair'

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27278...y-beyond-repair

As many NBA fans wonder whether LeBron James is entering his last year with the Cleveland Cavaliers, a source told longtime NBA writer Chris Sheridan the four-time MVP is already planning for his exit.

"This will be LeBron's final season in Cleveland," the source told Sheridan. "He is 100 percent leaving. Relationship with owners beyond repair."

When James re-signed with Cleveland in July 2014, he appeared unlikely ever to depart Northeast Ohio a second time. In his first-person essay with Sports Illustrated's Lee Jenkins announcing his return to the Cavs, James emphasized "my calling here goes above basketball."

Much has changed since then, though. The Cavaliers won their first title, which cemented James' legacy.


Perhaps more importantly, an organization that was rarely a model for the rest of the league has been thrown into disarray this summer.

The Cavs jettisoned general manager David Griffin, who helped build a team that reached three straight NBA Finals. In his place comes Koby Altman, who is only 34 and spent one season as the assistant GM before getting the top job.

Since they waited so long to formally hire Altman, the Cavaliers were without a general manager who could get a Jimmy Butler or Paul George trade across the line. Both players ended up elsewhere.

Compounding matters, ESPN.com's Brian Windhorst reported in July that four-time All-Star Kyrie Irving is seeking a trade out of Cleveland.

James turns 33 in December, so it's understandable if he'd want to spend the remainder of his NBA career in a more stable atmosphere. And Cleveland's front office may already be bracing for him to leave after the 2017-18 season.

ESPN.com's Adrian Wojnarowski reported the Cavs see trading Irving as an opportunity to acquire a young star around whom they can build for the future, rather than add a ready-made talent who can bolster their title hopes with James in the short term.

I'll admit, I'm not the biggest follower, but, once James came back, didn't ownership go out of their way to sign people James wanted?

Also, I've heard things that Irving wanted out because of James. True or not, I have no idea, of course.

If what you posted is spot on true - James wanting out no matter what, this coming season will be interesting.

I might be in denial, but I haven't heard LeBron say he wants out or that there are problems between him and ownership.

I believe he's leaning towards leaving heavily, but if we can trade Kyrie for the right piece and then win again, he'll probably stay.

...and the "right piece" is still Boogie Cousins IMO.

Boogie
Kevin
Lebron
JR
DRose

That's a lineup I can get behind in 2017-18.

I wuold prefer the Suns package of Jackson and Bledsoe, but that doesn't help the Suns at all. The Pelicans don't need a 2nd center, they need Kyrie.

Report: Knicks not interested in trading Porzingis for Irving

https://www.thescore.com/news/1352085

The New York Knicks didn't seem remotely interested in swapping Kristaps Porzingis for Kyrie Irving, a league source told Newsday's Steven Marcus and Mike Rose.

A report Tuesday said the Cleveland Cavaliers have made Porzingis a "primary target" if they were to give up Irving, since the Cavs would prefer to get back an elite young talent in case LeBron James leaves via free agency in 2018. Irving's reportedly asked for a trade and done nothing to deny the rumors.

"(Knicks president) Steve Mills and (general manager) Scott Perry, on the record, were very clear that Kristaps was part of the future," the source told Newsday. "In all the discussions since then - there were other rumors before that Cleveland would want Kristaps - and it didn't seem that they were interested at all in a conversation."

The 7-foot-3 Porzingis was the topic of trade talk before the Knicks parted ways with former president Phil Jackson in June. Angry with the 22-year-old for blowing off an exit interview, Jackson publicly admitted to taking calls for him.

Ridiculed by New York fans and media given Porzingis' value to the franchise, Jackson left the organization a week later. However, another report soon surfaced indicating several members of the Knicks' brass backed a possible trade.

Irving, who grew up in nearby West Orange, N.J., has reportedly listed New York as one of his preferred destinations. He remains under contract with the Cavs through at least the 2018-19 season.

Report: Dwyane Wade, Bulls expected to reach buyout agreement in coming months

When the Chicago Bulls traded Jimmy Butler for a horde of young talent on draft night, many wondered whether Dwyane Wade would be the next to leave town.

It appears their suspicions were correct, as ESPN's Nick Friedell reports that Wade and the Bulls are expected to reach a buyout agreement in the near future. From Friedell:

Dwyane Wade isn't long for the organization's future and is expected to reach a buyout agreement at some point in the next few months.

The Bulls owe Wade nearly $24 million next season, the final year of his contract. Wade would likely insist on receiving a large portion of that sum in any buyout agreement. Once Wade clears waivers, he will become an unrestricted free agent, able to immediately sign with any team except for Chicago.

The Bulls are clearly building for the future around the young players they picked up for Butler: Zach LaVine, Kris Dunn and rookie Lauri Markkanen. The 35-year-old Wade is not interested in being part of a rebuilding effort, so it makes sense for both parties to cut ties as soon as possible.

If and when the buyout is reached there will be a furious market for Wade, who averaged 18.3 points, 4.5 rebounds and 3.8 assists in 60 games last season, his first season outside of Miami.

Surprised nobody posted this yet:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27278...y-beyond-repair

I guess it sort of rumor and very "anonymous sauces", but still. Yeah, he got us a ring, but he's going to leave this team up a creek once again. It's also kind of hard to play the whole, "management is screwing me" card when we run the highest payroll in the NBA and most of it was given to you and the guys you wanted to have big contracts.

I also think going to LA would be really stupid for him for multiple reasons. The biggest being that unless he can get past Golden State, his own fans will chant Kobes better.

7 posts ahead of yours is the very same link...

I don't have the energy to worry about this anymore. I guess we'll know if he game 5's us again like he did 7 years ago.

supposedly Lebron and Kyrie met in Miami a few days ago

Report: LeBron hasn't already decided to leave Cavs

https://www.thescore.com/news/1352622

A report that LeBron James has already decided to opt out of his contract and leave the Cleveland Cavaliers after this coming season isn't true, sources told Cleveland.com's Joe Vardon.

Longtime NBA journalist Chris Sheridan tweeted Wednesday, citing an NBA source, that James is "100 percent leaving. Relationship with owners beyond repair." Vardon, who's covered the Cavaliers for the past three seasons, then followed up and reported that three sources close to James say the rumor is "100 percent false."

James does not view his relationship with the Cavs and owner Dan Gilbert as irreparably broken, according to Vardon's sources, although he was unhappy when general manager David Griffin was let go in June. James has had a turbulent history with Gilbert since the billionaire mortgage lender bought the Cavs in 2005.

The Cavs were having a rough offseason even before Kyrie Irving reportedly demanded a trade. In an NBA where everybody is chasing the Golden State Warriors, Griffin's departure was followed by the signings of Derrick Rose, Jose Calderon, and Jeff Green. This has led to speculation that James could flee northeast Ohio for the second time in his career by opting out of his contract next year.

I'd help Lebron pack if he chooses to leave. We got a ring, that's all that matters.

How many other professional sports teams or cities would kill to have a season like 2015-16? You think San Diego wouldn't give just about anything to see one winner if it meant having their #1 star leave two years later? What about Buffalo? I can name at least ~20 teams from each professional sports league that would agree as well.

I know it is taboo to consider, but would you guys be opposed to trading him instead of letting him go for nothing? It'd be much easier to rebuild if we maximized Krye, Love, and Lebron and liquidated our assets for young players/picks/cap relief

Lebron has a no-trade and I don't think he'd waive it, even if it meant saving him from the stain of leaving Cleveland on his own again. If it's true his relationship with Gilbert is at an all-time low, trading Lebron would only help Dan. So no.

But to your question, IF he'd allow a trade and we could get some assets for the future, yeah. He accomplished what he promised, he doesn't owe this town a single thing and I'd think we'd be doing him a favor by trading him instead of him leaving.

As for blowing it all up, if we got tons of picks and some good talent from this past draft, sure. As it stands, I don't see us beating the Warriors in the Finals this year with all the crap hanging over us right now and they are a lot better, so why not tear it all down?

...unless we can get Boogie for Kyrie. THAT I want to see.

I'd like to see LBJ retire as Cavalier but I wouldn't hold it against him if this is his last season in a Cavs uniform.

He did what he set out to do after his homecoming. I could never be upset if he decides it's in his best interest to move on like I was after the decision. Whatever he decides now I'll be good with.

obviously the trade would have to be approved by lebron, if not maneuvered ... let him pick the team and then try to finagle it

i agree ... no ill will ... but, it'd be nice if he didn't just leave for nothing

I'd like to see LBJ be given ownership roles, even if he is a crappy GM.

I would absolutely HATE to see him go again, but if he decides to go what can you do? Would be nice of him to do a sign and trade thing like he did the last time if indeed he leaves.

Personally, I'd rather see these mulit-millionaire athletes mend their fence, get over themselves, realize what a blessing it is to be able to do what you do and get as much as you do for it and show some loyalty to the people that made you so rich.

I think part, and maybe most of it, can the Cavs compete with the Warriors over the next 3-4 years, within Lebron's prime? The contracts we have will make that difficult.

I wonder if he'd leave more for chasing titles/MJ and less about Gilbert.

j/c:

I am not buying all this talk about LeBron leaving.

LeBron James, Kyrie Irving Reportedly Did Not Meet in Miami Amid Discord Rumors

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27280...-discord-rumors

Cleveland Cavaliers stars Kyrie Irving and LeBron James reportedly did not meet in Miami to discuss where things currently stand between the two.

ESPN's Stephen A. Smith disputed a report earlier this week from ESPN Cleveland's Tony Rizzo about the James-Irving meeting during Thursday's episode of First Take:


Rizzo reported Tuesday that James and Irving had a cordial meeting in Florida, via King James Gospel:

"From very reliable sources. Plural. Kyrie and LeBron were in the same room over the weekend in Florida…Apparently these guys were in the same room and here's the deal. I don't know if there's a thawing out process. All I do know is LeBron didn't punch Kyrie the way Stephen A thought he would. I can report that. As for what they talked about or discussed…it was very cool. They didn't get into any heated discussions."


Irving has been seeking a trade from the Cavs, as ESPN's Brian Windhorst first reported July 24.

In the same report, Windhorst noted James was "was blindsided and disappointed" to learn about Irving's trade request.

Smith said on the July 25 episode of his ESPN Radio show (via CBS Sports' Kyle Boone) people in James' camp said the four-time NBA MVP "would be tempted, quote, 'to beat [Irving's] ass'" if the two were in the same proximity.

Irving has spent his entire six-year NBA career with the Cavaliers. He was drafted No. 1 overall by the team in 2011, made the All-Star team four times and helped lead the franchise to the 2016 NBA championship.

Ah, those anonymous sauces are at it again.

Gotta love those sauces.

Mmmmmmmm, fancy sauce.

I didn't think it was possible, but Stephen A Smith is even more obnoxious than usual on this whole Kyrie thing.

You know that clutch gene pro athlete's have, when the pressure gets bigger they get better? SAS has the same gene, but it just increases his obnoxious level to 11.

When Skip was on the show, I couldn't watch for longer than a minute or two. The two of them are so long-winded and forced. They could be politicians. Talk for 5 minutes without saying anything.

j/c:



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