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Reviewing Terrelle Pryor’s contract with Washington, and why he didn’t return to the Browns

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/3/15/...n-to-the-browns

We’ve heard a lot of things about why WR Terrelle Pryor is no longer a member of the Cleveland Browns. Long story short, the Browns offered him a better deal than any other team in the NFL at about $8.5 million a year over four years. He and his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, were hoping to get $13 to $15 million on the free agent market. It didn’t happen, but Pryor feels like that is what he is worth and did not want to lock in to a lesser deal, even if Cleveland’s was the best offer on the table.

His one-year deal with Washington serves as a “prove it” contract. He is willing to accept a bargain-level one-year deal with the confidence that he’ll have an electric season, and will get that $15 million a year contract in 2018. He is betting on himself. Why didn’t he do that one-year “prove it” contract in Cleveland? That is where I think Rosenhaus stepped in and had too much pride, after everything that went down, to come sulking back to Cleveland. <----- Why haven't Drew or Pryor refuted this if it wasn't true?

Anyway, let’s take a look at the contract that Pryor did end up receiving with the Redskins:


Base Salary: $3 million
Signing Bonus: $3 million
Possible Incentives: $2 million

It’s a 1-year, $6 million deal that is guaranteed. The interesting part of the deal involves the incentives, which we can dig deeper in to thanks to Pro Football Talk:

There are three separate incentives that Pryor can reach, each of which has different levels, with a maximum incentive of $2 million.

Receptions: This is the most attainable incentive, worth up to $1 million. He will get $250,000 for 60 catches, $600,000 for 70 catches, and the full $1 million for 80 catches or more. So, if it’s late in the season or if he’s dealing with a nagging injury, you can understand why he’d be motivated to still gut things out.
Receiving Yards: He will get $150,000 for 750 yards, $300,000 for 1,000 yards, and $500,000 for 1,250 yards.
Touchdowns: He will get $100,000 for 6 TDs, $300,000 for 8 TDs, and $500,000 for 10 TDs.


To summarize, in order to get the full $2 million in incentives, he needs to have an 80-catch, 1,250-yard, 10-touchdown season. If he does that, he’s definitely getting paid next year too.

Does Sashi even read "Cleveland.com" to know MKC even wrote that article? Does Sashi make it a practice to challenge BS articles?



What does that have to do with anything? Any 2 bit reporter can challenge what a team does and create stories that will attract readers. Of course they never stretch the truth and create controversy.



There you go again, stating as fact (as if it were common knowledge), something some "unnamed source" told MKC and no one else.

Why don't you just contact his attorney and get the real facts?

None the less, you are out of bounds. That has nothing to do with the Pryor deal.

Yeah, a RB who three coaching staffs and FO's have kept. But you think you're smarter than all of them. You really need to quit making yourself look foolish on this one.

Mac you don't know any of that is true.., It's just guess work.

Don't know if I'm smarter than this group .. on paper there doing a really good job so far (we'll see if there bringing in talent but there not tripping over there Johnsons like the last few FO's/Coaching staffs ....) but even u are smarter than the last two ... ...

Lots of ways I could with this one mouth ... but I'll just let u keep taking your petty little shots that make u feel good ...

Thanks. You know you're my idol.

*LOL* .. when i saw this thread up and who posted ... I thought .. what did the fo do wrong now ...

Maybe you could call Shashi's attorney or that unnamed source that only talks to Mary Kay and get the lowdown on when winning will become a priority?

DeShone Kizer’s ascension a failure of the Cleveland Browns front office


by Nick Dudukovich5 hours agoFollow @dukeofnick
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Front-office short sightedness is why Cleveland Browns will start DeShone Kizer to start the 2017 NFL season.
Don’t blame Cleveland Browns’ coach Hue Jackson for starting DeShone Kizer too soon.

The rookie just so happens to be the best quarterback on the Browns’ roster, and that’s a failure of the organization’s front office.

If Sashi Brown, the organization’s top football brain, didn’t want Kizer to start, then he should’ve given Jackson better choices than Brock Osweiler and Cody Kessler.

Osweiler was an afterthought in the Browns acquisition of a 2018 second-round draft pick in what amounted to a straight up salary dump for the Houston Texans. Kessler’s rookie year was marred by injuries, most notably, concussions. As Kessler went 0-8 as a starter, it became clear to mostly everyone other than Pro Football Focus that his career trajectory was that of a back up.

That leaves Kizer (unless you really wanted an argument for Kevin Hogan).

He’s been the best quarterback through two preseason games, and he’ll be rewarded with a start in the Browns third preseason game, widely regarded as the final dress rehearsal before the kickoff of the regular season.

As long as he avoids embarrassing himself against Tampa Bay this Saturday, Kizer will start Week 1 under center on the road Pittsburgh, via the Dayton Daily News.

“Development is so important for a young quarterback, this is the next step he needs to take and he deserves this opportunity. We are very excited about seeing DeShone in the role of starter for this week, as he is certainly positioning himself well to earn the starting job heading into the regular season,” Jackson said.
If he starts, Kizer will become the 27th quarterback to start a game for the Browns since 1999.

Poor Jackson. What’ a coach to do? He’s coming off 1-15 season. Vultures are already starting to circle within the national media, as some prominent pundits have asked if he’s on the hot seat.

Locally, that perception is a ridiculous.. Clevelanders are well aware of what the front office gave Jackson in 2016, and no one believes he had a fair fight.

While the front office did a better in last spring’s draft, they ignored the most important position on the field. Losing took it’s toll on Jackson last season, and the coach is going to do whatever it takes to turn the tides.

If that means starting Kizer, than so be it.

Oh dear God.

Factory of Sadness? Com'on Mac you are really grasping at straws.

^The Factory of Sadness

So they ignored the position by drafting a player in the second round that is good enough to start

Wait, I'm not totally clear. Are you not a fan of our front office?

We can always just use our first five picks next year to do nothing but draft QB's...that would be five Qb's next year...heck one should pan out...the rest on WR's.

That is the biggest bunch of bull that I have seen. If the Browns would have pulled the trigger on him at 25 or 29, no one would have questioned the pick. The choices were gone, and there are a lot of holes that needed to be filled. So you get a player that you did not expect to be there, and develop him.

There was slim pickings in terms of QBs. Using the above logic the option on RG3 should have been picked up. And he still is available.

I think there was a organizational plan prior to training camp, including Hugh Jackson that made the decision to develop and start DeShaun Kaiser as the starting quarterback. Similar to the organizational decision the Texans made to start Savage. And those organizational decisions guide the rotation of the quarterbacks both in practice and in the preseason games

1. QBs don't grow on trees.

2. No one should be on the hot seat after this year regardless of number of wins.

I'll be honest and say that I don't think the FO were hell bent to get there QB of the future in this draft. I think they planned to solidify the rest of the team and get a QB next year. I think they took Kizer where they did because they thought he was value and didn't expect him to be available. . . . . I personally think they were targeting Mahomes - and when KC jumped up to grab him, it changed their strategy. . . and at that point if there plan wasn't to have the QB of the future on the team this year (with Mahomes gone) - maybe they were playing the odds that they could snatch up Cousins or Garoppolo or one of the highly touted QB's in next's years draft as the QB of the future. Even if they landed Mahomes I seriously doubt the plan was for him to start the season, he was viewed as talented but needing time. Kizer was too - but he's really outperformed expectations. From what I hear in KC Mahomes is doing great too, but has not been in against 1's

You can't fix the whole team in a single draft or even 2. Not after what Farmer did. Whether you like it or the media likes it or the person that wrote the article with a negative bias... you also can't prevent other teams making maneuvers that upset your draft day plans. . . . it'd be easy to say that if Mahomes was their guy then they should not have let KC do what they did and the Browns FO should have done a deal. . . . but at what cost? I love what I am hearing/seeing with Garrett, Njoku and Peppers AND Kizer ... and we have an extra 1 next year? Would I be happier with Garrett, Mahomes and no Njoku, Peppers, Kizer and no extra 1? ? ? Absolutely not.

It's early early days. Lets see how it plays out.

For the most part Mac I think the FO has been great when compared to Farmer.

It looks like some of the picks are solid and while the QB spot is concerning at least we aren't walking away with nothing like drafts of old.

I would agree this time next year they HAVE GOT TO BAG a QB and know whether Kiser is going to be the future or NOT.

That seems harsh but waiting past the next draft to either have something you believe in prior to the draft or after the draft is as long as I am willing to wait. I don't set tone but I am at the end on waiting NO MORE PLEASE.

I will give them this year and next from there the front office and the coaching staff need to get it done.

To each his own Mac, but I can't hang Farmers poor choices on the current FO, and I can see your point, but we have to move on and hope they do better, and I think they are. Doesn't make me right, and I think you would agree your not right at this point either?

I hated that they purged the roster when they had good players here already, that actually started under Farmer, and it has continued under the current FO.

You can look at that several ways. They may want to hang with their own rope, or they may want to make their own mark??? I think its fair to say they made some bad choices I also think its fair to say their decision making is getting better.

Like it or not we both have to let it play out. For me they have until the close of business next season then there had better be results or I will be joining you!

Some said that Josh McCown and the offense were going to win games a few years back. Then before that there were other theories for different years. I myself had a few. Nothing positive can be certainly predicted until there are some demonstrable signs of change like regular season wins.

If we win games, the score will have to be like last night ... 13-10, 10-7, etc. I just don't think our offense has enough weapons and experience.

Disagree completely with most of your OPINIONS-
1) you read Hue liked PM somewhere- OK, but FO had choices and they took MG- NOT any QB- we DESPERATELY needed a rusher.
FO didn't leave Hue hanging.

2} FO cut RGIII and JM, good, both are old and brittle- RG still looking for work AND JM hasn't been the man with Jets who need a QB AT LEAST as much as us- FO didn't leave Hue hanging. AND Hue and Lee get paid to groom QBs.

3)BO was bought/throw in for 2rnd pick- he's probably better than Cody. FO SMART, lots of folks praised the out of the box thinking....moneyball. FO didn't leave Hue hanging.

4} Lots of teams need QBs-last draft Chicago, KC, Tex made BIG investments- our FO took Kizer, who some thought best potential of all QBs in SECOND RND, FO got value, JMHO, first rnd talent in 2...sweet. AND FO didn't leave Hue hanging- Hue got the physical specimen he wanted. HUE VERY HAPPY. And, JMHO- the Jets, Jags, 49ers, all need QBs

5) Lastly, FO spent 100s of millions of dollars on O line and keeping our guys- NOT feeding Kizer to wolves. They are trying HARD to protect our lamb......Go Browns!!!!

I disagree. I think the Browns wanted Garrett all along and wanted to nab Patrick Mahomes with #12-- that was Plan A, IMO. I do not believe, as much as it disappoints me because I like him, Trubisky was in the cards to move back up. The cost to move back up for this front office and grab Mitch, IMO, would have been to be too high and something generally they wouldn't do or give up that many assets for. Also, after KC leap-frogged us for Mahomes, ironically , we traded back.

I think a QB was in the mix with the second pick but it wasn't trading up for Trubisky.


I think this sentence here might be the most logical one of your post. A tough thing for any team to forecast, but I think the Browns really liked Mahomes. If that was the case, go get the guy and move up a spot or two. I've never had a problem with a team going after someone they really like.

But then again, maybe they tried and KC offered just a little more. No one knows what dealings are going on behind the scenes with the draft, specifically trade talks.

Did you verify any of that with Trubisky's, Sashi's, or Haslam's lawyers' secretaries?

If not it's just wild speculation.

When Sashi Brown isn't on the phone making trades, he's on the phone making calls to mac to let him know our entire plan.

Sashi and Jimmah have the same secretary (Mary) and I called Mitch's home and convinced them to give me some inside info.

Lmao bro you're tripping.

FO can't do anything right with you bro. Jeez

His rubbish keeps getting bumped.....lol

The FO is doing a fine job imo. keep up the good work guys.