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[Osweiler] wasn't as poor as his stat line looked, and he was put in a bunch of awful down and distance situations. The QB that put him in those awful situations should be held accountable. Pretty sure the failed reverse and penalties on Erving weren't his idea. I guess Hue played QB at University of the Pacific in the mid-80s if that's who you were referring to.
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Some of it was the stupid penalties the OL took.
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... BITE ME...Good grief!
BO is playing "better" than CK ..Agreed.
so its a mute point ...I turned the volume up; made no difference (j/k, moot!)
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So was mine. Just having a little fun... 
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For the record...I'm going on who is driving the ball and not getting 3 n outs.
Its one game. I don't like Brock in the Red Zone so far...he seems to morph into a Bum for some reason. We will see if it continues.
Curious if Kessler gets the start or still going with Brock.
Of course game 3 should tell all.
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You keep saying that Brock melts down in the red zone, but Britt didn't drag his foot on a perfect throw and then dropped a perfect strike in the end zone. How is that his fault?
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I don't care who it is...thinking out loud on who and in what circumstances are the best choice.
As for Red Zone of course not all his fault but not the same guy who got them there.
Right now I got a feeling we are thinking to go with Brock only cause if those reports are true that we turned down the Dolphins inquiry right away...that tells me a lot. It just a guessing game cause I don't see these guys in practice. I don't get to review their tape from each practice. I don't instruct them to see how the progress with that instruction.
So I don't know diddly anyone who says they know is just full of themselves. I trust Hues and Lees decisions.
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I don't know if the Dolphin's report is true or not. However, if it were true, did it ever cross your mind that perhaps the Brown's actually like Brock? Personally, I don't think it's true. LOL But, I sure as hell don't see it as a negative on Brock either way. I have maintained all along that I trust Hue to pick the right guy to help the Browns win games. I have NO opinion as to who should start. I do know that I don't make proclamations after watching the video of one drill where the qbs are catching footballs at a rapid speed and firing them out quickly that "it's a two-man race."  I am willing to let this thing play out and trust Hue. Too bad some aren't willing to give each of the participants an equal chance.
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However, if it were true, did it ever cross your mind that perhaps the Brown's actually like Brock?
You got a big problem...that is exactly what I was saying...that if true its is a clue that they really like him...man you just hate hate hate...go away!
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[Osweiler] wasn't as poor as his stat line looked, and he was put in a bunch of awful down and distance situations. The QB that put him in those awful situations should be held accountable. Pretty sure the failed reverse and penalties on Erving weren't his idea. I guess Hue played QB at University of the Pacific in the mid-80s if that's who you were referring to. Sorry, I thought you were referring to Brock's time with the Texans. Misunderstanding.
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Hard to name a QB after that game. Osweiler didn't do anything and Kizer was average (even after being bailed out by a penalty on a horrible decision that led to an interception).
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Yeah, I don't really know where to go from here ... neither did Gruden. It's more of a quagmire right now IMO
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Gruden mentioned that he didn't think Kizer is ready for week one vs the Steelers.
He is leaning the same way that I am. He sees the potential, but knows he isn't ready.
I'm tired of Gruden riding my coattails.
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Yeah, I don't really know where to go from here ... neither did Gruden. It's more of a quagmire right now IMO As we all know, it's down to Osweiler and Kizer. Osweiler is not good, Kizer is not ready. Giant douche versus turd sandwich
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Hue sounded exceited about Kizer and like ugg i gotta defend Brock a little bit. Neither earned it but generally, if its close you go with the rookie and in this case the rookie is the only QB to put any points on the board.
I may be completely wrong and wouldnt be the first time but he sounds enthused with Kizer right now.
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It is what most of us feared, Kizer sucks a little less than Brock who sucked a little less than Cody.
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We don't have a qb worth diddly squat.
Our WRs stink.
Crow will probably leave after the season and Duke is not the answer.
Our offense is terrible.
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I dont think Hue will decide til after week 3.. not sure how he could choose Brock based on preseason play. He didn't do enough with the limited reps. Brock starting would solely be based on his tenure/experience in the league already. Unfortunately, that doesn't win you ball games.
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It is what most of us feared, Kizer sucks a little less than Brock who sucked a little less than Cody. The only one with an excuse for sucking is Kizer,, But I see he's got some skills, Size, Arm and attitude.. Just needs experience. I think I'd rather they start Brock game one. Perhaps 5 or 6 games into the season, we could revisit it. I hope he's the right guy long term. (Kizer that is)
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He's deciding this week...who ever he names the starter week 3 unless he fall flat on his face will be the starter.
I've gone full circle on this. Brock has proven not to be the QB to win the job. He is way too inconsistent in his accuracy and reads. And he hasn't scored a TD yet???
Kizer shows his talents and he is talented but he also shows why he has to sit and learn still. He is the only QB that could carry the team on his shoulders and make plays...but again just not Getting it yet regarding the NFL game and regular season D's will be disguising there looks and he is only going to get confused. Also he is too quick to run...5 sacks already in the preseason.
Now I have come full circle in Kessler. He is less apt to make mistakes he has not thrown a long bomb yet but he has thrown some deep outs and they look good. He is 70% in accuracy.
Doesn't turn the ball over although last night he lost the snap and couldn't hand off and we lost the fumble.
Nobody is winning this. I would want us to go with the most accurate passer who is not going to make mistakes. Cause the D looks like its advancing to take control of the game and we want to make less mistakes.
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I think at some point, you have to get the reps for Kizer, if he's the answer, he'll pan out, but if you don't play kizer and you pass on one of the QB's next year , same cycle, play him this year, Early, while everyone on the line is healthy and the skill players are healthy and see what you have, you'll be able to tell what you have and if you need to draft another one.
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all we needed was for Brock to dink and dunk last night .. move the ball a little bit ... and he sucked. He couldn't complete anything with accuracy. IMO, he's AWFUL. I can't see how he's "won" anything
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IDK what to do with our QB situation. None of them are starting QBs in my eyes.
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Now I have come full circle in Kessler. He is less apt to make mistakes he has not thrown a long bomb yet but he has thrown some deep outs and they look good. He is 70% in accuracy.
Doesn't turn the ball over although last night he lost the snap and couldn't hand off and we lost the fumble.
Nobody is winning this. I would want us to go with the most accurate passer who is not going to make mistakes. Cause the D looks like its advancing to take control of the game and we want to make less mistakes.
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I'm kinda starting to feel the same way. I wanted Brock to take the job because his arm talent allows for pushing the ball deep as a more realistic threat. But if Brock can't hit on those throws then it's moot. Incompletions are wasted downs that lead to 3 and outs. Kessler's accuracy, with a running game behind him, at least has the potential to keep the O on the field. Man I wish Brock hadn't sucked so badly but it's obvious he can't throw with accuracy. His constant high throws are going to get receivers killed and make for easy picks by safeties. My initial hope was that Brock could play well enough to buy us half the season or more before giving the keys to Kiser. Now my hope, I guess, is that Kessler gets the nod and can't get us one win before the Jets game when Kiser can take over. What a mess.
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At this point I put Kessler in for the first 4 to 5 games and let him take the beating. If he can't do anything then you let Kizer come in and gain some experience. Brock hasn't looked like anything but a turd IMHO. Kessler can at least be a reliable game manager type QB.
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Not sure where I stand after last night. I do believe we are better with the current group than last year's but, we still have major question marks. Kizer still looks like a rookie yet, he has moved the offense better than any of them. He has also led us to scoring. Kessler is def accurate but, I worry about his health and his confidence. Has it been knocked? But, then there is Osweiler and he hasn't moved the team, throws high, incomplete and picks. It's a conundrum, for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if Hue decides to start Kizer with hopes that the Oline and RBs + GW's defense all help him out like we saw with Dak & Dallas.
I'm actually really worried about our WRs and DBs/S (esp now that Currie could be out). Maybe we can get a couple dudes that will be helpful once the cuts come.
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I heard RGIII is available. He can't be worse than these three.
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I heard RGIII is available. He can't be worse than these three. neither can Johnny 
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Now I have come full circle in Kessler. He is less apt to make mistakes he has not thrown a long bomb yet but he has thrown some deep outs and they look good. He is 70% in accuracy.
Doesn't turn the ball over although last night he lost the snap and couldn't hand off and we lost the fumble.
Nobody is winning this. I would want us to go with the most accurate passer who is not going to make mistakes. Cause the D looks like its advancing to take control of the game and we want to make less mistakes.
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I'm kinda starting to feel the same way. I wanted Brock to take the job because his arm talent allows for pushing the ball deep as a more realistic threat. But if Brock can't hit on those throws then it's moot. Incompletions are wasted downs that lead to 3 and outs. Kessler's accuracy, with a running game behind him, at least has the potential to keep the O on the field. Man I wish Brock hadn't sucked so badly but it's obvious he can't throw with accuracy. His constant high throws are going to get receivers killed and make for easy picks by safeties. My initial hope was that Brock could play well enough to buy us half the season or more before giving the keys to Kiser. Now my hope, I guess, is that Kessler gets the nod and can't get us one win before the Jets game when Kiser can take over. What a mess. I agree with you both, but I don't think Kessler will be starting.
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I listended to Hue and he has his mind set up...said he didn't need to see anymore.
So he will name the starter and I am 99% sure it will be Brock.
He is not going on the 6 series Brock has had with ZERO points.
He is trying to look at the overall picture of the QB who plays the entire game will give us the best chance to score points.
I'm afraid of Brock though and his poof of inconsistency popping up. Wish he would either suck...or BE GOOD not this back and forth...lol 
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