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"I just shudder, because I know what's coming from you, and the likes of you "
Like I said, you INSINUTATED. Of course, you did that so when you are called on it, you can say you didn't call anyone anything. That's what an insinuation is. As for my conscience, it's just fine. I am not passing judgement on you and not know anything about you like you are me. Like you say, though, if that makes you feel better about yourself, go right ahead. It's much better for you to do it here than to be so desperate you go out in public and do it where you would have consequences to face.
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Like I said, you INSINUTATED. Of course, you did that so when you are called on it, you can say you didn't call anyone anything. That's what an insinuation is. As for my conscience, it's just fine. I am not passing judgement on you and not know anything about you like you are me. Like you say, though, if that makes you feel better about yourself, go right ahead. It's much better for you to do it here than to be so desperate you go out in public and do it where you would have consequences to face.
Do what, call it like I see it. I'll do that regardless. If I want to call you something, I will. I have in the past, of course I got banned for it (it was well worth it). That's your trick Coach, you try to get bait people into slipping up and calling you what you are, so you can run to an admin.
If you feel I insinuated something, that's on you. I just know what you're gonna say, I've got history to prove it to be true. So that says something about your past posts, much like people have perceptions about things that I'm gonna say.
Anyway, I have to go, it's been fun. Been at work all day, and I'm tired. Have a good evening Coach.
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Like I said, whatever makes you feel better, go ahead and say it....don't let the truth get in the way of your post. Of course you'll call it like you see it. The problem is that it's a warped view. I'll have a great evening and weekend. You do the same.
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they may have been guilty of something
So then please explain, since I did not read this, what you meant by they were guilty of something?? I mean since you did type it and maybe I did not read it correctly, what did you mean?? And as far as producing a receipt, yes, it is a small thing, an d Home Depot in this area has this practice also. But they do it to EVERYONE leaving the store. Now if those women can prove this occurs only to certain people, then they have a case!!
Hey Dog,
Sorry about the delay in a response to you, I have been trying to "perfect" my smoker so that I will have a succesful BUSINESS around kickoff this year.  ...What I was implying was that the "type of scheme" that is being played throughout many of the retail outlets these days are the old "present an old receipt" with the hopes that you don't check the bags piece by piece..  .This is rarely done in Sam's and Walmart where I frequently shop so it is quite possible that this store was "scoped out" prior to this action. Now just think about this whole scenario, " If you knew that you could get away with a petty lawsuit if you slipped in a puddle of water in a local store, would you attempt it or report the spill to the store employees/manager? You could at least go away with a conscience knowing that you didn't try to get over on anyone in the store and MAY have prevented injury to others/self.  ..That is the way that I was raised, to be honest and a Christian in my way of living....
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That's your trick Coach, you try to get bait people into slipping up and calling you what you are, so you can run to an admin. Bingo! A winner every time........ 
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[. If I want to call you something, I will. I have in the past, of course I got banned for it (it was well worth it). That's your trick Coach, you try to get bait people into slipping up and calling you what you are, so you can run to an admin.
Seems to me, if you break the rules, you should stand the consequences........sorry if you don't see it that way.
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[. If I want to call you something, I will. I have in the past, of course I got banned for it (it was well worth it). That's your trick Coach, you try to get bait people into slipping up and calling you what you are, so you can run to an admin.
Seems to me, if you break the rules, you should stand the consequences........sorry if you don't see it that way.
And furthermore, if you're dumb enough to let coach incite you to the point of being banned.......again.....YOUR fault.
You must be a liberal, blaming your problems on someone else.
You are truly unbelievable!
I had no problem dealing with the consequences, even though I just called him a clown and got banned for it.
Secondly...did you just call me dumb....REF!!!!!!!!!!!
I didn't blame anybody for anything, just pointed out the scheme Coach uses. I am a liberal, because I try to talk to people, but like a liberal I get betrayed by those very same people. And you, are truly a conservative....I'll just leave it at that!
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I am also a conservative. Does the same apply to me?
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I am also a conservative. Does the same apply to me?
Depends on how you interact with people...if you come to me in private and want to talk like adults, and then try to blast me in public...then yes the same applies!
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Everytime someone says anything about race, I just shudder, because I know what's coming from you, and the likes of you.
That's why i just read what the quotes say.....than rather speak on it.
The RACE talk can become a very dangerous topic.....for folks on this board and anywhere else for that matter.
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Everytime someone says anything about race, I just shudder, because I know what's coming from you, and the likes of you.
That's why i just read what the quotes say.....than rather speak on it.
The RACE talk can become a very dangerous topic.....for folks on this board and anywhere else for that matter.
I feel you, but some of what is said around here is so ridiculous that I just can't let it go...I need to, it doesn't lead to anything constructive!
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I am also a conservative. Does the same apply to me?
Depends on how you interact with people...if you come to me in private and want to talk like adults, and then try to blast me in public...then yes the same applies!
I'm not really trying to debate the point with you nor dispute what you said. But from my experience,it's not a "conservative/liberal issue". I mean Ronald Reagan was a conservative.
While Reagan was our president and stood his ground on several conservative issues,the way he communicated and talked to people wasn't overly abrasive. He was a strong and confident leader (from my perception) yet spoke with a very understanding tone that made his points known. He did not use degridation,fear or the fear of reprisal as a weapon against those who disagreed with him. At least not to a great extent,or I certainly would have remembered.
On this very board we have conservatives who will debate with a very civil tone over all. Do they "reach" at times to try to make their point? Yes,but who of us that enter into such debates are not guilty of that very same thing at times? I certainly won't make the claim to be guiltless in that department.
So the perspective I've gathered out of all of this? It's a combination of things that really are not based in either conservative nor liberal terms. But in "human terms".
And it's not just one factor,but a combination of factors. Part of which is the political climate. We are in a time that it seems quite normal to expect personal attacks,the attempt to discredit others who do not share your views and general intolerance of those who's views are not shared by others. And I'm not speaking about just here on a message board,but in our nation,in political campaigns all the way to Capital Hill and the White House. It's became standard operating procedure in our nation.
Many can see how effective this method is and have adopted it. Often times in our society,things that would have seemed outragious and socialy unnacceptable only a generation ago,seem quite accepted and common place now. As such,people follow such trends and adopt them. Sometimes without even realising it.
Then you have the personalty of people. You have passive and aggressive personalties. This is not limited nor exclusive to conservatives or liberals. But rather a personality trait that exists to some extent in most,if not all of us.
Then we have the issue of character. Some profess to value it highly,while showing very little of it. It's part of their very nature to use many of these tactics for varying reasons. To make them feel above you. To give them a sense of importance. To make their opinion seem somehow more enlightenned and valuable than those who disagree with them. Once again,this is not a conservative or liberal issue. It's simply human character traits.
And it's about perception. No matter the smiley gremlins or tone in which your message is delivered,the person sitting at their monitor can't see your facial expressions. They can't look at you to read your body language. So their perception of your message often leaves a far different impression than was your intent. And without going into great detail (as I am "attempting" to do here) it's very easy to misunderstand the precise intent of the messenger. It's a basic case of micommunication on the part of who is delivering or recieving the message. And often times a little of both. That will put people od the defensive. Which once again a human reaction that has nothing to do with being a liberal,moderate,or conservative.
I think these are all factors that enter into the equasion of what we see posted on this board on a regular basis. Human beings,being human beings. People who can agree to disagree. People who can debate both sides of an issue without carrying to extremes. People who walk the border of carrying it too far,and people who simply go over the brink. And in some cases,it's a simple matter of personality clashes.
I know this post is rather lengthy. But it's not a simple issue that can be described by a couple of paragraphs. And it's not science,it's simply my opinion from being an observer of people and their reactions,or lack there of,over a lengthy period of time. And I think you see certain mixtures of all of these things to varying degrees by different posters at different times because of some combination of these things I've described.
JMHO
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That statement was in response to me being called a liberal because I supposedly blamed someone for something or something stupid like that.
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I understand. I know in the heat of the moment I make broad generalizations sometimes. But you see,It just so happens that I have debated with PDawg on more than one occasion and I certainly don't see him in the same light as you had described. But like I said,in the heat of things,sometimes we don't fully explain everything in detail. And I was just giving my own opinion on why I think people arrive at their method of delivery. I just didn't see "conservative" as a term that describes peoples posting style and delivery per say. Once again,this is nothing more than my personal opinion which I certainly don't expect anyone or everyone to agree with. And I can understand your frustration as I feel very much the same way at times. And when I do? It effects my delivery and posting style too.  I didn't mean it to be directed towards you in particular. But rather an overview of why I think these things happen here and other places in general.
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I didn't call him anything. I usually don't like to label people, but like I said, it was in respone to a comment from someone else.
I don't really have a problem with Pdawg, I actually tend to like his posts from time to time, even if I don't agree, I think he presents his opinions in a very insightful and thought out manner.
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Hey bro, can I call you a "cracker" 
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Hey bro, can I call you a "cracker"
I don't know about him,but I only answer to Triscuit.Even though I find Wheat Thins acceptable as well.
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I didn't take anything bad from your comment. Just pointing out not all conservatives are the same, and that goes for liberals too.
As far as the topic goes I haven't changed my mind. I find it better to take a wait and see attitude. I have doubts about their story but I don't want to judge them with the little I know. Racism and prejudice are out there and I don't want to simply dismiss this story because of it.
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Well,I would like to take credit for that,but I really can't. Most of my circle of friends are predominately conservative. I'm not talking moderates here,I'm talking died in the wool conservatives. A few are moderates. You were a prime example of the message I was trying to covey. Someone who is strong in their beliefs,yet tolerant of others who do not always share your views. I just hate to see when people get into heated debates,using the term "liberal" or "conservative" as a negative connotation to describe everyone who shares that persons general political views. And the fact of the matter is,I have got heated and done the same in the past,but I'm trying to avoid doing that in the future. Because I do not feel it is accurate in any way. I believe it works that way when it comes to political beliefs,race,religion,where you live and or where you were born and in several other areas of life. None of which I feel are accurate. JMHO
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It's funny, arch. I dared disagree with him and I'm "goading him" and "running to the refs" when he breaks the rules. How dare me to actually say that I have seen white people have to show their receipts at Toys R Us. 
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You must like digging up dead bodies!
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About as much as someone insinuating I'm a racist.
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Mike,
No problem about the delay, if you are getting your business started, let me know and I might come by and purchase something!( I guess I will need a receipt to leave...LMAO!!!) But anyway, I can see if that scam you are talking about working but remember the checkout person will say what your purchased, plus with camaras in the stores these days, that scam would be hard to pull off. Also, the more attention you bring to yourself, the more that scam would dissolve because they would have to produce the receipt.
As far as these women, they have a uphill climb because they have to prove that Toys-R-Us or the security company checked only certain people for a long period of time. Not just when they were in the store, they have to prove a systematic case of them checking some and not others. I have always said before I call them liars, etc, I will see what evidence they have.
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Dog, very good points. Conversely, before I call a company racist (unlike some people in this thread throwing out that insinuation at the drop of a hat), I would like to see evidence that they are. All I've seen is what has happened to others in one of their stores, where white people have been asked to show receipts as well. After all, the ACCUSED is actually innocent until proven guilty, right?
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As I said earlier, I have been in Home Depot and Best Buy (down here) and they check receipts all the time to everyone. But remember, we have not been in the T-R-Us that the women are accusing of racism. I cannot say if they were singled out but you cannot say they were not singled out, we just have to wait until they( the women and lawyers) produce some evidence for their case. The reason I mentioned Dennys before was because people thought that when that case was first brought out, it was BS, then it came to pass that it was not. For every Tawana Brawley (sp) case you can throw out, I can show cases where people did win cases for racism. But in each case, I usually wait to hear what evidence they have before I judge it.
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Dog, very good points. Conversely, before I call a company racist (unlike some people in this thread throwing out that insinuation at the drop of a hat)
Show me one instance in this thread where somebody insinuated that this company is racist. You can't. I reread all the posts and not one person said anything like that. Nutdyme said he knows how it feels to be asked for a reciept when others haven't. That's a far cry from saying Toys are Us is racists. Jay'em said some stores may not follow the company policy. He didn't say the policy of checking all reciepts is not true. I agree with him. It is very possible that random stores don't adhere to company policy.
I will state it again, I doubt these women are telling the truth about this store. I am simply with holding judgement until I hear more.
I think the problem is with you. In this thread nothing you have said seems to be accurate to me ( with the exception of what Nutdyme insinuated about you and what he said to Arch). It is probably because of past arguements you have had regarding race is influencing what you percieve.
The same be be true about Nutdyme. Maybe in past arguements he believes he is right in saying that you are racist ( I don't see that in this thread). Either way it's not needed. I don't see how it can be helpful to throw names around.
I guess what I'm saying is...Can't we all just get along?
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Oh my God I’m tired of this stuff, this is pathetic at least 200 million!!! EACH that’s unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable give me a break, that’s horrible people who are victims of 100000000 times worse things get less then that, the people sueing because there FAT from eating FASTFOOD don't even sue for that much. If they win this case then that is a disgrace to everyone, and im sick of people pulling the race card, i am no racist myself but come on people this is just absolutely ridiculous show the receipt and get out.
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Dog, no doubt there is racism and I'm not trying to claim there isn't. My whole point was that the company is innocent until proven guilty and they do have a standard policy about receipt checking. That is all the evidence that is there at this point. As you said, the rest will come out. Until then, I will give the benefit of the doubt to the accused, as all I have to go on at this point is the presumption of innocence and the policy that I have seen (though I agree not at this particular store).
Pdawg, the statement about understanding how the women feel is actually insinuating that the company is guilty. There was other things said after to try to get away from that point, but how can someone say they understand how these women feel like they were victims of racism if the company wasn't guilty of racism? As for the rest, I'm still shaking my head as ndutyme and I have been able to debate things since the incident he so incorrectly portrays happened a year ago. I disagreed with him about this and he attacks insinuating I'm a racist without having a clue about me. I won't sit back and allow someone to make such false accusations about me.
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Nutdyme said he knows how it feels to be asked for a reciept when others haven't. That's a far cry from saying Toys are Us is racists
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
So you have your facts (not that you've ever cared about them) straight Coach, here's what I said originally.
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No, this isn't racism. I know how these ladies feel though. When every white customer ahead of you gets a smile and a have a nice day, and you in turn get a "can I see your receipt".
It's not worth the effort of a lawsuit, or $200 million.
My African-American, liberal mind, does not agree with this at all. It allows the nitwits on message boards like this, to make their race jokes.
It sets us back even further.
I didn't mention you, or Toys-R-Us. I did say that I've felt profiled at stores before. I've never once thought of suing, I will show my receipt and go about my way. I've been followed all throughout stores before...have you? Has security stared at you the ENTIRE time you were in a store?
That's where I was speaking from. But situations like this allow white people to look at racist claims with jokes. That sets race relations back even further. We don't need that, nor do these ladies need $200 mil.
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Pdawg, the statement about understanding how the women feel is actually insinuating that the company is guilty. There was other things said after to try to get away from that point, but how can someone say they understand how these women feel like they were victims of racism if the company wasn't guilty of racism? As for the rest, I'm still shaking my head as ndutyme and I have been able to debate things since the incident he so incorrectly portrays happened a year ago. I disagreed with him about this and he attacks insinuating I'm a racist without having a clue about me. I won't sit back and allow someone to make such false accusations about me.
When and where did I "insinuate" that you are a racist. I don't doubt that these ladies indeed felt profiled. I can assume (whether right or wrong) that they were probably the only ones AT THE TIME asked for a receipt. I can relate to that. That does not "insinuate" that Toys-R-Us is racist. If I felt that way, I wouldn't shop there. If I felt that way, I would've said it.
If you felt I insinuated that, that's your guilt speaking on itself. Never mention you AT ALL!! So...if the shoe fits, pipe down and walk it off!
You know what happened before, but no need to go there again. We straightened that away, it's dead and buried.
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Where did I joke about racism? I just simply said that I have seen white people that have actually been asked to show their receipts.
If you had put your other comments like you did there instead of saying you understood how these women felt, maybe no one would have said anything in response. You didn't. You said you understood how they felt. That's a pretty vague statement that took you until now to clarify.
As for facts, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, as you never let facts get in the way of your posts....like calling someone racist with no facts to back it up except for your biased view.
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I've been followed all throughout stores before...have you? Has security stared at you the ENTIRE time you were in a store?
Well, from a numbers standpoint it isn't profiling it is simply playing the odds . Not saying it is o.k. or that it should be a practice but.... the numbers speak for themselves. Is that a racist statement ? Because I was not trying to come off that way.
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Here you go, everyone that's read this statement and replied has said they think that you were implying I was a racist:
"Everytime someone says anything about race, I just shudder, because I know what's coming from you, and the likes of you."
What exactly would you be saying if you weren't inferring that I, and the "likes of me" weren't racists with that very statement? Please, you did it and now deny it. If you DIDN'T mean to insinuate that (and I don't believe for a minute you didn't), then that is "on you" and the shoe definately fits, so maybe YOU should "pipe down" on your insinuations.
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Here you go, everyone that's read this statement and replied has said they think that you were implying I was a racist:
"Everytime someone says anything about race, I just shudder, because I know what's coming from you, and the likes of you."
What exactly would you be saying if you weren't inferring that I, and the "likes of me" weren't racists with that very statement? Please, you did it and now deny it. If you DIDN'T mean to insinuate that (and I don't believe for a minute you didn't), then that is "on you" and the shoe definately fits, so maybe YOU should "pipe down" on your insinuations.
What I was saying, is that when these situations pop up, you and the likes of you will say the race card gets played to much, and white people can't do anything, and so on and so forth. NOT ONCE, have I said you or anyone else here is racist. So, you can feel free to read into it whatever you want. I didn't insinuate anything. No need, I have no problem speaking my mind. I don't think you are racist Coach, I don't know you personally. But I do know that whenever someone claims racism, it's usually discredit and disregarded by you, and others who appear to think like you.
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I've been followed all throughout stores before...have you? Has security stared at you the ENTIRE time you were in a store?
Well, from a numbers standpoint it isn't profiling it is simply playing the odds . Not saying it is o.k. or that it should be a practice but.... the numbers speak for themselves. Is that a racist statement ? Because I was not trying to come off that way.
Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black
males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic males and 5.9% of white males.
Just because more blacks go to jail than any other race does not mean they commit the most crimes, they just get caught more than anyone else. That does not mean for an instant, that I am going to rob your store. And I don't appreciate the "insinuation"!
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If you had put your other comments like you did there instead of saying you understood how these women felt, maybe no one would have said anything in response.
By the way, you're the only that said anything.
Apparently, you're the only that thought my comments needed clarification. Had you bothered to read my post, you would've seen that I DON'T agree with these ladies, and said as much. But you and facts....not so much!
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