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I'm ready for some Johnny Football! Honestly? I'd take a clean & sober Manziel (not that that's every going to happen!) over Brock and Kessler. It's a shame, he ruined his chances at ever being able to play in the NFL again. Crash & burn.
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I listended to Hue and he has his mind set up...said he didn't need to see anymore.
So he will name the starter and I am 99% sure it will be Brock.
He is not going on the 6 series Brock has had with ZERO points.
He is trying to look at the overall picture of the QB who plays the entire game will give us the best chance to score points.
I'm afraid of Brock though and his poof of inconsistency popping up. Wish he would either suck...or BE GOOD not this back and forth...lol  I think that it's going to be Kizer. Brock has shown absolutely nothing. People complained about Kessler dinking and dunking last year, and not being able to throw down the field ...... well, Brock is far worse. He makes Kessler look like Favre by comparison.
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Heck, he'd be kneeling because he would be too drunk to stand up. 
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I listended to Hue and he has his mind set up...said he didn't need to see anymore.
So he will name the starter and I am 99% sure it will be Brock.
He is not going on the 6 series Brock has had with ZERO points.
He is trying to look at the overall picture of the QB who plays the entire game will give us the best chance to score points.
I'm afraid of Brock though and his poof of inconsistency popping up. Wish he would either suck...or BE GOOD not this back and forth...lol I think that it's going to be Kizer. Brock has shown absolutely nothing. People complained about Kessler dinking and dunking last year, and not being able to throw down the field ...... well, Brock is far worse. He makes Kessler look like Favre by comparison. I have videos that disprove your silly notion that Kessler throws a better deep ball the Brock. Please stop making things up.
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Who said that??? I know I didn't so must be Ytown...he said what people think of Kessler dinking and dunking and not being able to throw downfield...well, Brock is worse...I don't think he's stating worse at throwing it down field...I think he is stating just worse overall as a QB. You might owe him an apology. 
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I listended to Hue and he has his mind set up...said he didn't need to see anymore.
So he will name the starter and I am 99% sure it will be Brock.
He is not going on the 6 series Brock has had with ZERO points.
He is trying to look at the overall picture of the QB who plays the entire game will give us the best chance to score points.
I'm afraid of Brock though and his poof of inconsistency popping up. Wish he would either suck...or BE GOOD not this back and forth...lol
I could see them starting Kizer against the Colts, 3rd game of the year. It will depend on how Oswieler is doing...
Then again, Kizer has a 1% chance of being named the starter on Wednesday...just kidding.
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I quoted him. Goodness. LOL
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He's deciding this week...who ever he names the starter week 3 unless he fall flat on his face will be the starter.
I've gone full circle on this. Brock has proven not to be the QB to win the job. He is way too inconsistent in his accuracy and reads. And he hasn't scored a TD yet???
Kizer shows his talents and he is talented but he also shows why he has to sit and learn still. He is the only QB that could carry the team on his shoulders and make plays...but again just not Getting it yet regarding the NFL game and regular season D's will be disguising there looks and he is only going to get confused. Also he is too quick to run...5 sacks already in the preseason.
Now I have come full circle in Kessler. He is less apt to make mistakes he has not thrown a long bomb yet but he has thrown some deep outs and they look good. He is 70% in accuracy.
Doesn't turn the ball over although last night he lost the snap and couldn't hand off and we lost the fumble.
Nobody is winning this. I would want us to go with the most accurate passer who is not going to make mistakes. Cause the D looks like its advancing to take control of the game and we want to make less mistakes.
jmho Cody is probably our most accurate QB. Hell, Cody is our most accurate QB (at least compared to Brock. No NFL stats for Kizer). The issue with Cody is he holds the ball wayyyy too long. He's gonna get Colt McCoyed out there (see Harrison hit). There is a part of me that kind of wishes Hue didn't eliminate Cody from the starter race bc accuracy is important... but then there is a part of me that says Brock may be able to pull a Derek Anderson 2.0 and win us some games, but then there is a part of me that says Kizer can have some rookie success because why not? Other guys have been able to do it, why not him too? Tough decision. Hue's future will be tied close to the outcome of his decision.
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If Hue is worried about developing the young guys, Brock will start; the proverbial sacrificial lamb while the team gels.
If he plays the QB that gives us the best chance then Kizer starts. If he wants to play safe and let the D win our games, Kessler starts.
We'll see what happens this week.
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Brock has been awful in the 2 preseason games thus far. He has been ineffective throwing down thew field, at best. I know you hate stats, but the stats back up what I am saying so well .... game 1, 6-14, 42 yards, 3 yards/pass attempt, and only 7 yards/completion. In the 2nd game he was 6-8 for a whopping 25 yards.  He also, somehow, had a pass batted at the LOS for an INT. Remember that he is 6'8". He consistently overthrew guys. One of his best throws was to Coleman, and it took every inch Coleman could generate to grab the way too high pass. I get that Osweiller played with some challenges, but man, he has been just plain awful, inaccurate, and ineffective as the starter. I am curious as to what you have seen in the preseason games that makes you see any kind of future ... even competence ... with Brock?
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Preseason games are meaningless. I am talking about regular season games.
I claim that you misrepresented Brock's downfield throwing ability in the past. I claim you misrepresented his "benching" [in your terms as well as Diam's and cfrs'.]
I claim that I posted videos, including every freaking throw from a game that defy that Brock can't throw the ball better downfield than Kessler.
I claim that you posted an biased article from some jerk at Cleveland.com that blasted Brock in an interview. I have since stopped reading that reporter's articles due his bias and unfair reporting.
I claim that, as always, you pick a qb in the race that you hate and you slam him repeatedly.
I claim, that you pick a different qb in the race, who you praise.
That's what I'm talking about.
Look man.........I like you as a person. You have been supportive in regards to my son, the loss of my pets, and even my surgeries. You are a good man in humane issues.
However, I don't like how you skew things when it come sto football evaluations, especially QBs. I'm sorry, but there is NO WAY that Kessler looks like Farve compared to Brock when it comes to throwing the deep ball. That is simply not true.
I hope that is clear?
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Preseason games are meaningless. I am talking about regular season games.
I claim that you misrepresented Brock's downfield throwing ability in the past. I claim you misrepresented his "benching" [in your terms as well as Diam's and cfrs'.]
I claim that I posted videos, including every freaking throw from a game that defy that Brock can't throw the ball better downfield than Kessler.
I claim that you posted an biased article from some jerk at Cleveland.com that blasted Brock in an interview. I have since stopped reading that reporter's articles due his bias and unfair reporting.
I claim that, as always, you pick a qb in the race that you hate and you slam him repeatedly.
I claim, that you pick a different qb in the race, who you praise.
That's what I'm talking about.
Look man.........I like you as a person. You have been supportive in regards to my son, the loss of my pets, and even my surgeries. You are a good man in humane issues.
However, I don't like how you skew things when it come sto football evaluations, especially QBs. I'm sorry, but there is NO WAY that Kessler looks like Farve compared to Brock when it comes to throwing the deep ball. That is simply not true.
I hope that is clear? Brock has not looked good in any of the games, or the scrimmage. He gets guys lined up right in practices, but that's about the best I have heard about him. He was so awful last year that the Texans gave us a 2nd just to take him off their hands. He had a few good throws. That happens even with awful QBs. His lack of accuracy is a major concern. He has been consistent in his inconsistency. Reports out of camp have mentioned his lack of accuracy. He has done nothing in the preseason games to allay the fears about that aspect of the game. I think that he brings nothing to the team. I prefer to start developing Kizer, as the starter. I see us going 0 for ehow ever many games Brock starts. We'll see how it plays out.
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I'd take a clean & sober Manziel (not that that's every going to happen!) over Brock and Kessler.
Sad but true. +1
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Great, I get that you are biased against Brock. No revelation there.
I have no idea who should be our qb. I think they all pretty much suck.
However, I think that Hue sees them every day in practice. I think the coaches see them in meeting rooms every day. I think the veteran players might have a say as to who they wanna play with.
I'll trust their judgements and will not cause a stir just because my guy isn't the one named the starter.
And my advice to all of you is.............let the team decide and roll w/it, because the bottom line is they know more about it than any of us.
You are unwittingly planting the seeds to getting Hue fired.
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I think we should do a vote in the K-9 consensus and whoever gets the second most votes should start. It's only fair.
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Brock looked clearly like the best QB during the scrimmage and that was with the 2-3s vs the 1-2s.
He looked good in the 1st preseason game to earn the start last night.
Didn't look good last night but that gonna happen when you start a 3rd string LT and OG against one of the better DL and defenses in the league and the rest of the OL has a bad games.
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Kizer scores so he is the kid to get the ball!
Hope he progresses each game!
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Brock looked clearly like the best QB during the scrimmage and that was with the 2-3s vs the 1-2s.
He looked good in the 1st preseason game to earn the start last night.
Didn't look good last night but that gonna happen when you start a 3rd string LT and OG against one of the better DL and defenses in the league and the rest of the OL has a bad games.
Brock looked "blah" in the 1st preseason game. 14 passes for 45 yards .... one decent throw, and a bunch of "bleh" ones. He has looked ok against 2nd and 3rd teamers, and pretty bad against 1st team defenses.
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blah against 1st team defenses is better then bad against 1st team defenses in my book
But spilt milk now.
Time to get the kid looking good against 1st team defenes, the 1st step is get to g the full OL out there.
Protect him with the run game.
Play-action.
Short game with Duke.
RB screens.
WR tunnel screens.
Bootlegs, Roll outs.
Quicker out of the huddle.
Quicker getting the ball out.
Recognize situations.
Protecting himself surfing runs.
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