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he wouldnt beat out what we have anyway. dude sucked last year.

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Any news from Njoku?

Who's going to be our TE this season?

Gary's release is looking like a premature foolish decision by this FO...


If Gary's release was a mistake we can still sign him. He is available, no one has signed him. No one.


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Any news from Njoku?

Who's going to be our TE this season?

Gary's release is looking like a premature foolish decision by this FO...
Njoku should play Monday, so we'll see what he looks like. Telfair has had a solid camp and Devalve is obviously a better WR.

In terms of Gary Barnidge, I'd agree but the fact that he hasn't been signed by anyone else might be an indicator of something


I hope he does not play... Give him time...

Although I think he will be a bust, I honestly want him to pan-out ,so if he has problems, let him get some more practice and improve his play.

Playing him would be a bad decision....


Playing a first round pick in a preseason game "would be a bad decision?"



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I am sorry Vers but I dont understand what RAsta is saying. I am not very fluent in troll.

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As training camp ends, Hue Jackson says Browns are stronger and mentally tougher


Editor's note: Tony Grossi covers the Cleveland Browns for ESPN 850 WKNR.

More takeaways from Day 17 of Browns training camp …

1. Good omen?: On the last day of training camp, it rained. That alone is progress from recent years when it rained on the first day of camp – drawing a dark cloud over proceedings from the very beginning. When lightning sirens sounded, the players rushed to the facility, Hue Jackson called practice after four plays indoors – about 45 minutes early. Still, Jackson declared it a successful camp. “The team is really competitive on both sides of the ball,” Jackson concluded. “It is a group that will get after you. We are physically better than where we were a year ago. We are more mentally tougher. We are stronger. And like I said, I think it is a better roster.” Camp officially closed after meetings and players departed to their private residences. Attention now shifts to the regular season. But there are unsettled matters to resolve before preparation for the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sept. 10 begin in earnest.



2. QB competition concluding: The quarterback situation should be resolved prior to the third preseason game in Tampa on Aug. 26. If Brock Osweiler shows improvement in his second start Monday night against the Giants – as he, the veteran players, and the coaches expect -- he will be named the starting quarterback for the season. If Osweiler stumbles, and DeShone Kizer has a good showing against the Giants’ No. 2 defense, Jackson may have a tough decision on what to do next.

3. Loose ends: Other than quarterback, Jackson cited the following issues still lingering with the coaches: 1. Development from the maligned receiver position group, which includes some play-making spark from Corey Coleman and Kenny Britt and for a productive pecking order behind them to emerge; 2. Much more development from the excessively young tight end group; 3. Sorting out the safety positions; 4. Declaring a winner in the kicker competition; 5. Nursing back recently injured starters and keeping healthy players on track to stay that way for the season opener.

4. Big man down: Jackson said that defensive tackle Danny Shelton has joined the inactive list with a knee injury. Like recently injured Joel Bitonio (knee) and Cam Erving (calf), Jackson termed Shelton’s injury “week to week,” and expressed hope he will be available for the practice days leading up to the season opener. “Nothing that I think that is way over the top,” Jackson said of the injury.

5. Just say what: A lot has been said about Jackson’s initial comments that he hopes none of his players elect to sit for the National Anthem in protest of recent events in Charlottesville, VA, and previous events that have inflamed racial tension. Cornerback Joe Haden said that Jackson addressed the team and said he respected everyone’s right to protest, and he asked his players just to inform him of their intentions before the game on Monday night. “Coach Jackson wants to be informed,” Haden said. “He doesn’t want to be kept off guard. So if people feel that way, go up to him and talk to him. He’s not saying he doesn’t want you to do it. He’s just saying he doesn’t want to be surprised.”


6. New name to watch: Jackson expressed faith in veteran John Greco filling the void of Bitonio at left guard, calling him “somebody I trust, somebody I know.” It was interesting, however, that Jackson used a question on Greco to bring up the name of Marcus Martin, who has the versatility, like Greco, to play all interior line positions. “Marcus Martin has done a good job, too. He has had a really good camp,” Jackson said. Martin, 23, was claimed off waivers from the 49ers in March. He was a third-round pick from Southern Cal for the 49ers in 2014, and started 24 games in three years at center, right guard and left tackle.

7. Quarterback update: Here are the final passing numbers through all team drills in 17 days of training camp, as compiled by ESPN Cleveland’s Jason Gibbs: Cody Kessler, 103 of 159, 64.7 percent; Brock Osweiler, 129 of 219, 58.9 percent; DeShone Kizer, 91 of 156, 58.3 percent; Kevin Hogan, 48 of 83, 57.8 percent.

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5 storylines to know as Browns conclude training camp

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In what was an otherwise picturesque three weeks, the Browns concluded training camp on a stormy, muggy Thursday afternoon. In that span, head coach Hue Jackson said his team got better in more ways than one.

“We’re physically better than where we were a year ago. We are more mentally tougher,” he said after the team's final practice.

“I think it’s a better roster. We still have some questions to solve. Obviously, the quarterback situation, we will get that finalized as we go. We're playing guys in some positions still to find out how they fit and where they fit, but for the most part, I think we have a good idea of who we are.”

Here are five storylines we saw emerge throughout camp:

Myles Garrett shines with the ‘right mindset’

Myles Garrett, the rookie defensive end and No. 1 overall NFL Draft pick, left little doubt on the field as to why the Browns believe he'll blossom into a cornerstone type of player for years to come. It was Garrett’s work ethic and humility, however, that earned the respect of the coaching staff and his teammates.

“Myles walked in here with the right mindset. He was going to earn the right to show his teammates and coaching staff that he was who he was,” Jackson said.

“He’s done that every day. I still think there’s another level for him to get to. I think he’s talented. I think he’s still learning the National Football League game and just the grind of it all. It’s going to be different for him, but I think he has some good mentors on defense and coaches who are going to get him through it.”

Browns defensive coordinator Gregg Williams echoed a similar sentiment, saying the team's veterans asked him to move Garrett up the depth chart.

“One of the things we do is when those (rookies) come in the door, they are dead last on the depth chart,” he said. “How do you handle that? How do you handle the locker room? How do you handle the meeting room? How do you handle the field? How do you handle the walkthroughs? How do you handle being humble? How do you handle being respectful?

“He’s a really good young man and a pretty good player, too," Williams continued. "He handled the threes, he handled the twos, he got some spot time on one and then the other players, the veteran players came to me and said, ‘Hey, do you know we are better when he is in there?’”

The ongoing QB competition

Though training camp has not yet offered offer clarity when it comes to who will be the Browns starting quarterback Sept. 10, the next three weeks should go a long way in determining it.

“I think the major game in the preseason is the third game,” Jackson said, referencing a trip to Tampa on Aug. 26. “I think hopefully we’ll have it all nailed down about exactly where we are headed and where we are going. I think whoever trots out there (in the third preseason game) has a very good chance of trotting out there against the Steelers” in the season opener.

In what’s an ongoing competition between Brock Osweiler, DeShone Kizer, Cody Kessler and Kevin Hogan, Jackson has emphasized he’s in no rush to anoint a starter.

“We’re going to keep working at this thing, and we are going to continue to coach all of these guys to get better,” Jackson said. “When it is the right time to make the decision that we feel is right to say, ‘This is the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns for 2017,’ then we will make that decision.”

A veteran and a rookie impress

Outside of the Browns’ four first picks — Garrett, Jabrill Peppers, David Njoku and DeShone Kizer — perhaps few rookies have shined quite like running back Matthew Dayes, the former N.C. State star who fell to the second-to-last pick in the NFL Draft.

“He’s flashed. He’s flashed every day,” Jackson said. “He’s really competitive. He’s further along than even I thought he would be. He makes plays in the running game. He makes plays in the passing game. He is not afraid to pass-protect. He’s a young man who demonstrates three-down ability.”

To be certain, Dayes — who totaled 2,856 rushing yards and 34 touchdowns in four seasons with the Wolfpack — finds himself behind backs Isaiah Crowell and Duke Johnson Jr., but will have the opportunity to showcase his ability throughout the preseason.

The same goes for veteran Nate Orchard, who moved back to the defensive line after playing linebacker his first two NFL seasons. The former second-round pick played in the trenches at Utah, amassing 18.5 sacks as a senior, and impressed in last week’s preseason opener against the Saints.

“I thought Nate Orchard showed up last night,” Jackson said. “That was outstanding to watch him go in there and compete like he did.”

Orchard, who missed most of last season because of an ankle injury, started 11 games in 2015 and is poised to be part of a rotation that includes edge rushers like Garrett, Emmanuel Ogbah, Cam Johnson and Carl Nassib.

Former practice squad members finding roles

In December, the Browns signed undrafted free agents defensive lineman Trevon Coley and safety Justin Currie to their practice squad.

Eight months later, both have put themselves in good positions when it comes to making the 53-man roster. Both have worked with the first- and second-team defense and earned the praises of the coaching staff.

On Coley, the former FAU standout and team MVP, Jackson said: “I think the way we kind of do it on defense is you earn your keep. So he’s playing well. We’ll keep giving guys opportunities. If you demonstrate on our football team that you have the skill and you can help us win, we are going to give you an opportunity to be out there.”

On Currie, who made 340 tackles in 37 starts at Western Michigan, assistant defensive backs coach Jerod Kruse said: “He's a surprising young man to most. I think he does some really good things. He’s really come into his own in the scheme and he’s comfortable in it. There's a high level of trust there. His physical toughness and effort is never in question. You're going to see him make more plays than you may think.”

‘I think there’s a lot in this group’

On Sunday and Monday, the Browns had back-to-back practices featuring multiple live-tackling periods. It proved to be the most intense stretch of camp -- and perhaps something of a turning point -- as Jackson hopes to get the most out of a young but talented roster

“I have really pushed this team pretty far, and as I keep telling them, I will keep pushing them because I think there is a lot in this group,” Jackson said. “You just have to keep pulling it out. There are hard days, grinding days, but that is what training camp is.”

After a 1-15 season in 2016, Jackson said this year’s squad is a “better football team” after adding three first-round NFL Draft picks and key players via free agency.

“I expect more from this team. I want more from this team. That’s the expectation,” he said. “I really believe we’re going to be a better football team. We’ll put a better product out on the field than what we did a year ago because I think these guys understand where we are.”

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Hue has been pretty vocal about Orchard's play ... he seems to be a lock to play/make the team


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Can't say I've heard much about Nassib coming into his second year.

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Can't say I've heard much about Nassib coming into his second year.
Yeah, he had a much more "noisy" training camp last year


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Can't say I've heard much about Nassib coming into his second year.


He's not very good ... wasn't impressed with him last year ...

Not sure what our DL situation is as far as the numbers go ... my guess is he won't be on the team in another year or two ...





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I think he'll be pleasant surprise for us now that he's healthy and playing his true position 4-3 End. Got to remember last year he was playing 3-4 DE at about 275 lbs going against 300 lbs plus Olinemen and he started out pretty good till he hurt his hand and had to where that bulky cast that didn't allow him to use his hands to keep the linemen off him.


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I think he'll be pleasant surprise for us now that he's healthy and playing his true position 4-3 End. Got to remember last year he was playing 3-4 DE at about 275 lbs going against 300 lbs plus Olinemen and he started out pretty good till he hurt his hand and had to where that bulky cast that didn't allow him to use his hands to keep the linemen off him.


I hope your right ...

i think he's a tweener ... hes not strong enough to hold his ground even though he gets great leverage for a guy as tall as he is .. and he's not quick enough to get around NFL tackles ...

I remember him going against tackles most of the year ... although tackles are now 300 lbs + also ... *L* ...




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I think it's a bad sign that there have been no reports of him flashing in practice, and he was pretty non-existent in the first preseason game.

His next two weeks need to be very good, IMO.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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the way I see it, if a player flashes, looks good, or makes plays, we hear about it ... if we don't hear about a player, it's probably bad


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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the way I see it, if a player flashes, looks good, or makes plays, we hear about it ... if we don't hear about a player, it's probably bad


Yep, that can, sometimes, be the case.

I read an article about Ogbah quietly having a great camp. I haven't heard much about Nassib, but the 4-3 should fit his talents and abilities better than the 3-4.

I am surprised at how Shelton is doing. I figured him to be a 3-4 NT all the way, but he has slimmed down some, and is fitting into the 4-3 really well. (from all accounts)


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Can't say I've heard much about Nassib coming into his second year.


He's not very good ... wasn't impressed with him last year ...

Not sure what our DL situation is as far as the numbers go ... my guess is he won't be on the team in another year or two ...

I don't know what year you watched but ^^ that seems about as crazy to me as the Browns deciding to add a logo to their helmut mid-season. notallthere



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Originally Posted By: dawg66
I think he'll be pleasant surprise for us now that he's healthy and playing his true position 4-3 End. Got to remember last year he was playing 3-4 DE at about 275 lbs going against 300 lbs plus Olinemen and he started out pretty good till he hurt his hand and had to where that bulky cast that didn't allow him to use his hands to keep the linemen off him.


I agree.


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I think he'll be pleasant surprise for us now that he's healthy and playing his true position 4-3 End. Got to remember last year he was playing 3-4 DE at about 275 lbs going against 300 lbs plus Olinemen and he started out pretty good till he hurt his hand and had to where that bulky cast that didn't allow him to use his hands to keep the linemen off him.


I hope your right ...

i think he's a tweener ... hes not strong enough to hold his ground even though he gets great leverage for a guy as tall as he is .. and he's not quick enough to get around NFL tackles ...

I remember him going against tackles most of the year ... although tackles are now 300 lbs + also ... *L* ...


The biggest thing Cleveland wanted him to work on during the off season was his lower body strength. He still has a ways to go there frown


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