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Or I dunno. We could run the ball in the red zone.

It sounds to me like Kessler is afraid and/or can't let it loose. Whether it's mental, physical, or a combination of both, that ain't gonna cut it

The more interesting bits of that article were about how many times Peppers showed up. I like that a LOT more than the drivel about the QB's and how little they're doing.

Hoyer the Destroyer!!!

He showed all the things you mention, but I think it was also quite clear that despite all that he showed, he also showed that he isn't ready for prime time, yet.

Lots of potential, but that cake ain't baked.

I agree with this, however, Hue has to then ask 2 questions:

1. Is Kizer's 20% baked cake still give us a better chance to win than Osweiller/Kessler's 100%?
2. What's the best way to bake Kizer's cake? Sitting or playing.

1. I don't believe that this matters at all for this season. See #2.

2. If you think Kizer can grow into being The Man for us, then you handle this year and everything about it with whatever is best for his development in mind. Start, sit... whatever. Do whatever brings him along in the way that he responds best to and get us ready for 2018.

Not to mention that the next draft is going to have several QBs and having a very high draft pick could bring us Sam Darnold as a backup plan.

IF Darnold repeats his performance from last year, and he declares for the draft (there are rumors he won't), he will be the first player taken. Odds are slim we will be in a position to draft him. That leaves Rosen, Rudolph, Allen, Falk, Mayfield, and maybe Jackson.

Gordon has been suspended for most of his career for being fully baked, I don't want to see any other players doing it.

And to me this is key. Not every QB coming out of college is the same. There is no one size fits all as to whether a kid should start or not. Each individual responds in different ways. Some thrive on pressure. Some thrive better by being nurtured along.

I don't believe any of us know the answer to which kind of kid Kizer is.

Well played

LOL Now that right there is funny!

Funny as it gets!

No way do I see Kizer on his best day as ready to be thrown to the Skweelurz. Not yet anyhow.

I would like to see Kizer get at least 25 snaps. But more importantly I would like to see him get a couple series against the 1st team and 2nd team defense.

i agree with ed ... seeing him get meaningful snaps against a 1st string D is imporotant

That would be nice, but I'm not sure he's quite ready. Give it another week.

If Joe Thomas was in there, I would have started the rookie but we dont even have Cam in there. Brock and kizer are probably gonna get murdered.

Joe Thomas playing has never prevented our Qb's on getting hurt before..

Joe was/is never a player that stood by his QB..

He's just a guy that's prevented them from getting crushed at a HOF level. That's all.

Are you serious?

Guess you have to be better than All Pro for ten years in a row...how, I don't know.....GO Browns.

Hope Kizer gets reps against ones AND doesn't get hurt.

Jackson is the key, as a QB expert, it is his job to know what Kizer needs....I like the fact he's thrown whole playbook at him and doesn't allow wrist bands....sink or swim...love that part, I don't want him hurt like Cody last year when HC had no other options.....GO Browns!!!!

When I saw what he posted, I almost questioned his sanity but I see you guys took care of it for me haha.

I was just stating the obvious... Playing with Joe Thomas has never prevented our QB's for getting hurt, no matter if they hold the ball longer or have quick releases, they never last more than a couple of games (with few exceptions).

I have always been a defender that the lines are has good has the worst lineman, you on the contrary have always advocated for the importance of of the LT's.

Regarding the statement that Joe does not care about his QB's, well there are a number of incidents that prove that, vicious hits on QB's that are not answered by our lineman, etc

Not taking away anything from Joe, I think he is an excellent professional and player, but it has always been my opinion that LT's are vastly overrated, and the Browns are a living proof of that.

To get back on topic, I would say playing Kizer or any non stop-gap QB at this moment, with the Wr's we have and the state of our run game, would be criminal.

We don't have a good/average Wr's TE's and we have sub-par running OL and that's the eternal paradox of the Browns.

Lack of dominant OL for the run game and shortage of skill players for the passing game + bend but don't brake (play good enough not to be the worst unit) defense, and you have the explanation for the our results.

I think the LT Pisition is over rated until you don't have a ten time pro bowler manning the position then one seed just how important it is

Ideally we don't draft a QB next year.

Kizer is a first rd talent...i think you commit to growing him into your QB....hopefully he redshirts this year and Brock can play well enough to warrant that. Kizer has great physical tools he just needs time.

In an ideal situation, next year is the year Kizer fights for the starting job and moves forward from there...every step should be a process.

Step 1: Get though 1st camp and practice.
Step 2: sit the bench and learn all you can year one in meetings, practice, etc.
Step 3: win the starting job in year two
Step 4: move forward from there.

We won't find our QB until we give a guy more then a handful of games...I fully believe Kizer can be that guy for the Browns, we just need to be patient.

I think our record says the opposite.... I would say judging from our history that teams who have probowl WR's are much better than teams who have probowls LT's.

IMHO passing on any bona-fide player, specially a skill position is always a bad thing. This league requires super-stars and exceptional players, specially at skill positions, who by definition are very hard to find, if you have the possibility to draft/sign them and don't you are going to be a perennial loser.

Once again this season will show how important Wr's and Te's are, and that contrary to what most of the people here think, Wr's and TE's are much harder to find than what they think.

Some years ago we were having this discussion regarding QB's, where most of the posters advocated that lineman made the QB's and it was ok to have a serviceable QB to win the SB. It will not take long to realize that the same applies to WR's, TE's and RB's.

If you have a right handed QB your LT is the most important player on the team probably only 2nd to the QB. We've had such a great one for so long we take it for granted. Without JT things would be even worse for us if you can even imagine that. He's one of the great one's to ever play the position and we as Browns fans should never forget that.

I have never liked offensive linemen taking sides in the media during a QB battle. I dont think it does anyone any good. Its not necessary.

Kizer's response, I thought was incredibly mature and that same maturity concern is the reason he plummeted in the draft. What he needs to do now, is go out and show Joe and the rest of the team that he is ready or atleast making tremendous strides to get ready.

I am glad he is going to get reps with first team against giants first team. It will be a good gauge to see where he is at and what he is capable of. Best of both worlds is both QBs look outstanding.

No fan of Brock but I see improvement in a lot of what he is doing as I have seen improvement in a lot of what Kizer is doing. Hue and Lee are getting the most out of these men.

In my opinion .. Joe needs to STFU ... this is the 2nd time he's went to a place he shouldn't have ..

2nd time Kizer's said the right thing .. witch is an improvement over his ND days ... lets hope it's carried over to the locker room and meeting rooms ... and its just not him putting on an act ... he won't fool his teammates ...

Just curious ... what areas do u see BO improving in since he got here? ...

and anyone that disagrees clearly wasn't here before we got Joe.

The fact that we miraculously got him and he immediately squelched all talk from everyone about one of our biggest needs, and has done it for an entire decade is simply amazing.

Had we been able to have ANY consistency as an organization earlier in his career, things would have been a whole lot rosier.... and the fact that he is considered unanimously and universally a First Ballot Hall of Famer after playing on a team with such a terrible record during his ENTIRE tenure says WORLDS about him as a player and a person.

We literally hit the lottery with Joe.... we just couldn't get a team around him to do anything with it.

I thought last week when Cam was beat, he didnt do what he did in Houston and just sail it down the middle of the field 10 yards over the receivers head. He also pointed his feet towards the target, which is something he has never done with any consistency. We will see how it works. I dont think he is more than a DA 2.0 career backup with good size and accuracy issues but we will see.

Kizer showed me a lot as he was under a lot of pressure and he stepped up, he threw with accuracy in the face of a big hit coming. Add in Palmer's deep ball tear drop throws and You have a QB that isnt going to be held back very long. His drives stalled not because of anything at all he did wrong. I think at this point they are looking for reasons to hold him back and they are getting harder and harder to find.

Hell his headset didnt work for awhile and he never looked the least bit flustered.