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Trump can't get out of his own way, what are we supposed to do root him on? GO Trump GO! Be a bigger idiot, more divisive, better conman, HUGE embarrassment! GO Donnie GO!

What you forget is that the man Trump stands for everything we oppose. His administration has been an affront to our principles and values. So what we are doing is nothing more than a putting out our protest message. I'm sure you agree we have that right don't you?

If not I guess we could just sit around and bitch at everyone on both sides while never taking a stand for anything other than a calm ZEN fantasy that will never materialize. Now go with Buddha grasshopper and meditate on that!

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Originally Posted By: Swish
well trump has certainly accomplished much when it comes to bringing out the sickos of the country:

'Boo Hoo You Japs': Hawaii Lawmaker Publishes Letter From Racist Trump Supporter

https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-boo-hoo-japs-apos-033602557.html

click the link to see the actual letter.

wowzers. that's a lot of hate.


She should have known some idiot wrote that letter before she opened it. !st off no return address..... (Danger, Danger Will Robinson) 2nd those stamps are older than many board members around here. The guy is nuttier than a bus load of male nudists.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
joyful?

it's so sad that all i can do is laugh at this point.

again with this both sides stuff. you're like the woman who tries to break up a fight between two dudes, then gets upset when you accidently get punched in the face.

shouldn't have been standing there.


But, how is he wrong about his argument of both sides tearing this country apart?


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because the country isn't being torn apart.

i see the majority fighting back against a minority who think they are supreme to someone.

i see a majority who doesn't support the enabler-in-chief.

the "both sides" argument is weak because this isn't conservative vs liberal with regards to the political problem.

it's the majority of the country vs trump supporters. all trump supporters aren't racist, but all these racist are trump supporters.

i've noticed that the people who go "both sides" don't actually have any viable solutions to fix the problem other than the standard "we need to come together".

well ya don't say? what an enlightening idea, cause we never thought of that before....


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I disagree, but I think we may be on different wavelengths.

You're focusing on Trump alone, and I'm speaking on a scale of the entire picture, so maybe we are talking about different things. If you are saying essentially that Trump is a huge problem, I wouldn't disagree with you.

I think Trump is a manifestation of the "two sides" getting more extreme. The Democrats rigged their primaries toward a very unlikeable candidate, and Trump rose through the ranks based upon the ire of the Republicans/Conservatives (big C). It was the perfect storm.

The both sides argument is strong to me because A) it existed before Trump took office and likely will exist when he leaves, B) it's unquestionable that people blindly vote for a candidate based on party, and C) we have arrived at a scenario where both sides are easily taken advantage of by special interests.

I think, before any viable solutions are found, it takes a large amount of people to even identify the problem. That's the first part of the phase, and why I think I make the argument identifying "both sides" being the problem.

As far as solutions, I think grass root advocation for anti-corruption lobbying laws is a start. There are bi-partisan organizations doing that, slowly gaining momentum. I think we have to advocate for a multi-party system at the lower levels as well.

I think when people think viable solutions, they want something to change NOW. Well, we all know that's near impossible. I think the change and the solutions would start at the grass-root level.


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we definitely disagree.

i'm not focusing on Trump, even though he plays a huge part. Trump is simply a symptom to the problem. the both sides stuff works when talking about the GOP vs. Dems, and typical conservative vs liberal issues.

the issues we are seeing right now isn't ideology split, it's a "who feels superior" split. again, we have the majority of the country - who are both liberal and conservative - that speaks out and protest against racism and discrimination. then we have the other side that represents supremacy and honoring bigoted history and treason. while their numbers might be relatively small compared to the majority, the people who keep making excuses/enabling that demographic is not.

right now the big issue in this country is multiculturalism vs anti-multiculturalism.

sorry, but IMO, there is no "both sides" to this issue being a problem. either you support diversity or you don't. there's little to no room for fence riding this issue.

multiple parties isn't gonna fix the ideology problem we have in this country. i've constantly advocated for political reform but this issue is not rooted in that whatsoever.

we are definitely on different wavelengths.


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I see 10 percent of the people on the far right fighting with 10 percent of the people on the far left, while the 10 percent on the far left are fighting with the 10 percent on the far right, while the other 80 percent of us in the middle just want to take both sides and send them into deep space on a one way trip.


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I guess my question would be is it realistic for people to come together when one side has Nazis and White Supremacists out wearing torches and shields? Carrying guns where open carry is allowed?

How do you come together with that? These are the very ideas our forefathers fought and died to stamp out. Until people can all come together and openly work to stomp such ideas out, I won't be "coming together" with them.

And that's the thing. None of this is "against Trump supporters". It's against people who espouse these ideas of race superiority and hate. If they happen to support Trump, so be it. Making the excuse that people shouldn't stand up against such ideas is the weakest argument anyone can make.

We should all be outraged against them. Our nation lost tens of thousands of troops fighting these ideas and IMO it's borderline sacriligious not to stand up against them.


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I think I see what you're saying, and I don't think we disagree. I think we're talking about two different things.


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I think you're always going to have a periphery, and I seem to advocate with the general sense of what GM just said. We've unfortunately gotten ourselves into a situation where the peripheries have begun to capture much more of the attention and seemingly hold those reasonable hostage.


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The Press didn't used to give the Nazi's and KKK 24/7 coverage in the past. We all just shook our heads as they went back into the woodwork.

Not today! Pump it Up!!!

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GOP house
GOP senate
GOP oval

And yet, threats of government shut down.

There's an accomplishment alright. An accomplishment in never before seen levels of incompetence.


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GOP house
GOP senate
GOP oval

And yet, threats of government shut down.

There's an accomplishment alright. An accomplishment in never before seen levels of incompetence.


Have you not yet come to realize that Trump is Trump and not Republican or Democrat. You can hang the label but you can't make it stick. Trump is Trump. thumbsup

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Trump ran under the GOP banner. If he doesn't want to be called a republican, then he should've ran as third party


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Trump ran under the GOP banner. If he doesn't want to be called a republican, then he should've ran as third party


Like I said, you can hang the Label but you can't make it stick.

Just ask the Republican Congress if Trump is one of them. rofl

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I'm with you that we are giving them way too much attention, but the president's conduct is surely not helping.


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I'm with you that we are giving them way too much attention, but the president's conduct is surely not helping.


Would you be so kind as to tell me what Trump is doing that makes you question his conduct? Just like your top 3 so we can discuss them.

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List top three things you dislike about Trump
1) Listed as an accomplishment- dropping out of the Paris environmental accords- thousands of scientists say we need to make these changes, but Trump and right know better...we know better than most of developed world....huge error.

2) Sabre rattling with NK- the market took huge hit, his foreign policy knowledge is non-existent. He scares me he's so dumb.

3- His public relations messes. Has he set a record on fired press sec. yet, or point men/women, how's he doing with CEOs of our most important companies- AND lastly his constant tweeting- he is so unPRESIDENTIAL he makes me sick.

I'm a republican, voted republican my whole life UNTIL given two main choices Trump or Hillary. I voted but third party. He is my President, but I ain't happy. How do you drain the swamp....get anything done by pissing off both parties. I hope we survive four years.


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1) Paris accord was a wealth redistribution scheme and would have cost us billions and jobs.

2) Sabre rattling with NK and speaking in terms they use themselves and understand has saved us from a Nuclear War with them to date.

3) He is not a politician and doesn't kiss butt like one, like you are comfortable with. He works hard and demands others to "DO YOUR JOB!". If you don't, you are fired if you work for him. If you are in Congress, you get nailed on twitter.

I understand how most people are not comfortable with his management style as he rattles the cage on a daily basis.

I look at his accomplishments and the prospects for future good with Tax reform and Cuts, Repatriation of Trillions of offshore dollars and rebuilding our infrastructure. Not to mention the renegotiation of NAFTA.

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This surprised me. Pathetic that it seems to matter.

Take back this country again? Could use an objective sitrep.


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The legendary band Queen had a song about this. Something about people eating dust? I'm not too sure lmao

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-staffer-responsible-finding-positive-085644570.html

Trump Staffer Responsible For Finding Positive News Stories Resigns

President Donald Trump’s administration parted ways with yet another staffer this week.

Politico reported Thursday that Andy Hemming resigned from his position as the White House communications team’s director of rapid response on Monday.

The 31-year-old former Republican National Committee staffer, who was profiled by Politico’s Annie Karni this month, was responsible for finding positive mainstream media news stories about the Trump administration and recirculating those reports to key reporters and talking heads. Hemming’s goal was to ultimately create more mainstream coverage about positive moments for the Trump administration on the very networks the president routinely bashes and refers to as “fake news,” according to Karni’s piece.

Every presidential administration has staffers dedicated to monitoring the press and pushing out stories related to favorable moments. But Trump’s relationship with the press and responses to news coverage is unprecedented. For instance, Vice News reported this month that the president receives a folder filled with positive news about himself twice a day ― a report previous presidents apparently did not receive.

Hemming’s role in the administration was a bizarre one, considering his boss regularly picks publicfeuds with journalists and mainstream news outlets he was required to target with positive stories.

Just this week, Trump spent a considerable amount of time trashing the media during his campaign-style rally in Phoenix, Arizona, a rant that resulted in the crowd chanting “CNN sucks.”

Hemming has not publicly commented on his exit, but a White House source told CNN that the decision to part ways was mutual.

The departure is the latest in a summer filled with staff shake-ups. In July, press secretary Sean Spicer resigned just before communications director Anthony Scaramucci was hired. Then Reince Priebus left his position as White House chief of staff, days before Scaramucci was shown to the door. Last week, Steve Bannon stepped down as White House chief strategist.

Meanwhile, several Trump administration advisers have parted ways with the president over his controversial response to a violent white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, this month.


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You are talking about the same Press that reported 97% negative stories about Trump before the election, leading up to the election and since the election, right?

The same Media that reported false negative polling numbers saying Trump was losing the election, right?

The same Media that cried and sobbed on election night as their Queen went down to defeat at the hands of the American People, right?

Yea, Trump bad, Trump Racist, Trump losing, Trump the Russian Mole, Trump obstructing justice, on and on with the Hate.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
You are talking about the same Press that reported 97% negative stories about Trump before the election, leading up to the election and since the election, right?

The same Media that reported false negative polling numbers saying Trump was losing the election, right?

The same Media that cried and sobbed on election night as their Queen went down to defeat at the hands of the American People, right?

Yea, Trump bad, Trump Racist, Trump losing, Trump the Russian Mole, Trump obstructing justice, on and on with the Hate.




Oh 40 give it a rest. Your boy is all of that and more. Your bubble is going to burst so hard it's just not even going to be fun to see. Please start looking for counseling and a support group now because you will definitely be needing it. So sad to see your dreams of the 4th Reich (Putin/Trump landia) go down in flames but your boy is rapidly losing support. He's just months away from either resigning in shame, being impeached, or being removed by congress. Face it old buddy, the emperor has no clothes!

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING

Yea, Trump bad, Trump Racist, Trump losing, Trump the Russian Mole, Trump obstructing justice


It's about time you start understanding what's going on.


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Oh, I have understood what is going on from the beginning and you have been a prime example of the Blind Hate.

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facts = truth
alternative facts = hate.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
facts = truth
alternative facts = hate.


Over the top emotionalism combined with being hand fed by the Fake Media plus Insane Hate = The Left.

Have you not noticed that ALL the Alternative Facts have been from your side in the past year?
Collusion, Obstruction on and on.

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facts = truth
alternative facts = hate.


Over the top emotionalism combined with being hand fed by the Fake Media plus Insane Hate = The Left.


over the top emotionalism = trump.

the very thing you claim to dislike is what you ended up voting for. no credibility.


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Rhetoric won't change the ship wreck going on in The White House.


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Trumps managed to make the Secret Service go broke... lol


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Trumps managed to make the Secret Service go broke... lol



Fake News.

The Secret Service has not run out of money: The agency can hire and pay more employees; they simply cannot pay individual employees above the current salary cap. Congress could provide a short-term solution by temporarily lifting the pay caps for the Secret Service, as it did in 2016.
Even the Liberal site Snopes says so...
http://www.snopes.com/secret-service-broke-trump/

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Not surprising CNN is spouting Fake News.


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Not surprising CNN is spouting Fake News.


I do have video evidence of what is going on...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF5o4nOqwv4

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"The secret service responded to usa todays story that it doesn't have anything to do with the size of the Trump protection needs or the president's frequent travel. They said "quote" This issue is not one that can be attributed to the current admin's protection requirements, but rather has been an ongoing issue for nearly a decade due to an overall increase in operational tempo." end quote.

MSM bias? Look at the headline.


an "ongoing problem for nearly a decade", yet Trump get's blamed in the headline? Click bait for the haters.

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Hey so when is Mexico gonna start funding the wall?


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Soon as we renegotiate NAFTA.

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Soon as we renegotiate NAFTA.


I doubt it.

We've gone from chants of Mexico paying for the wall, to trump threatening to shut the government down if we as taxpayers don't fund it.


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Soon as we renegotiate NAFTA.


I doubt it.

We've gone from chants of Mexico paying for the wall, to trump threatening to shut the government down if we as taxpayers don't fund it.



No, we have gone from Mexico paying for the wall to Mexico will pay for it eventually but the safety of the American People can't wait! America First! thumbsup

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Yea ok.


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See, that wasn't so hard now was it?

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