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Thanks. I didn't know any of this was going on until a buddy of mine texted me when I was on my way home from work.
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Thanks. I didn't know any of this was going on until a buddy of mine texted me when I was on my way home from work.
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I didn't. I read it at a stop light and waited until I got home to respond.
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Opening night is ganna be interesting.
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Opening night is ganna be interesting. i'll be honest, when i saw we played them on opening night ... i kinda went "hmm ..." and wondered if the league knew something about Kyrie
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Back into the draft lottery while competing in the finals! I'll take that.
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Pretty much everybody seems happy about it, great sign.
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Only concern is IT4's hip, speculation he won't be ready for some time, Cavs doctors could throw a wrench in the deal, and if there is issues, rightfully so.
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Wouldn't the Cavs have done some research on Thomas's injury before the trade? Is there a chance it's that bad?
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Wouldn't the Cavs have done some research on Thomas's injury before the trade? Is there a chance it's that bad? can't examine him until trade approved, now they can examine him and if they feel he's not worth the risk they can null the trade
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But wouldn't they have done some inquiring? I imagine they didn't go into it without some knowledge on where the injury stood.
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But wouldn't they have done some inquiring? I imagine they didn't go into it without some knowledge on where the injury stood. I'm sure they did, but only so much you can do without getting your hands on him. I think this trade was more about the pick than anything
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I like the deal.
I get it's the Cavs and people love bad-mouthing them while uplifting the great franchise that is the Browns, but I think that the Cavs made a good deal, and others do as well.
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I like the deal.
I get it's the Cavs and people love bad-mouthing them while uplifting the great franchise that is the Browns, but I think that the Cavs made a good deal, and others do as well. If IT is healthy then it was a great deal, if he's not..not as much, all depends on what that pick becomes
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I agree Vers, this was a great deal. They lost all leverage when the news broke, and still got a ransom for Kyrie.
I love that we got enough to still be in win now mode, but also have a future pick as well to set ourselves up if LeBron leaves. I honestly think this helps us keep LeBron however because in IT and that pick, we have great resources to add another superstar to challenge the Warriors every year.
Great great great trade. So happy we pulled this off.
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Did Cavaliers’ Rookie GM Koby Altman Just School Danny Ainge in the Kyrie Irving Trade?Newsweek Teddy Cutler,Newsweek 11 hours ago As opening statements in a job go, Koby Altman’s was the equivalent of Bart Simpson smashing all of Springfield’s windows by shouting down a combined 20 megaphones. On Tuesday, Altman orchestrated one of the more remarkable trades in modern NBA history, moving an All-Star, all-world talent in Kyrie Irving to the Boston Celtics. In his first major assignment since replacing David Griffin as Cavaliers General Manager, Altman knew he could accept nothing less than a king’s ransom for Irving, who informed the Cavaliers of his desire to leave northeast Ohio in July as he sought success away from the shadow of LeBron James. Trending: New ISIS Video Shows American Child Member For The First Time He got it, too. In return for Irving, the Cavaliers received one of the NBA’s elite scoring point guards in Isaiah Thomas, small forward Jae Crowder, seven-foot prospect and 2016 first-rounder Ante Zizic and the Brooklyn Nets’ unprotected 2018 first-round pick. It’s a move of extraordinary chutzpah from Altman and the Cavaliers’ front office, who could have moved Irving west to the Phoenix Suns, say, and not seen much of him again for most of the season. If Irving produces a clutch performance in an Eastern Conference series against the Cavaliers, well, Altman is not going to be very popular. But the Cavaliers decided that the only appropriate value for Irving lay in the East. Crowder can help them out immediately, Zizic is intriguing and the Nets are almost certainly going to nosedive again so the draft pick is going to be a high one. As Stephen A Smith said on SportsCenter on Tuesday evening, if the Cavaliers lose LeBron James to free agency next summer then the pieces should already be in place to start the rebuild. Thomas, too, becomes an unrestricted free agent next summer. Don't miss: Why Neon is Cool Again: Tacky and Beautiful, It's the Artistic Choice of Pop Culture “You’ve got to love what Cleveland did for itself,” Smith said. “Because remember, in the event that LeBron leaves then you can elect not to pay Isaiah. So you’re getting Isaiah’s numbers off the books, you’re getting LeBron James’ numbers off the books, you’ve still got an anticipated high first-round pick to rebuild and retool. All of those things can potentially work in your favor.” The Celtics just entered win-right-now mode. The Cavaliers are there already but gave themselves wriggle room for regeneration if the Thomas experiment goes wrong. Altman’s first move was brassy but inspired. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/did-cavaliers-rookie-gm-koby-100107721.html I'm a bit surprised people aren't talking more about this trade on here. I think it was an awesome trade for the Cavs. It gives them the ability to win now and also some flexibility in the future.
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If Thomas is healthy I'm starting to warm up to the trade.
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Kinda shocked at the trade. Not that we dealt Kyrie, since the whole world knew he wanted out. Just shocked that it was Boston.
In the NBA you don't trade quality for quantity, however, in this case, the Cavs probably did the best they could considering they lost a lot of leverage once it was public knowledge that Irving wanted out.
I'm ok with this. I will miss Kyrie, and I hope he gets a ridiculous ovation on opening night.
I really wonder what happened with him and his teammates. If the reports are true that he was not talking to them between game days during the playoffs, that puts to bed the talk that he wanted out because the Cavs dangled his name to the Pacers. Something else had to have happened. I don't think we'll ever know the truth, but I would love to know.
Either way, he helped us win a title, and has every right to want to play for another team. For what it's worth, I don't think it was his camp that leaked the info.
I think Jae Crowder is an excellent fit for the Cavs. He's a good defender who can go after multiple positions. He's a good outside shooter. That's a perfect guy to stick with Lebron.
I like Thomas, and am interested to see how he fits on the team. If Derrick Rose is healthy, how do those two rotate? I know most of us, myself included aren't really counting on Rose, but he has all the motivation in the world to stay healthy and play well. That is great deal the Cavs signed him to.
Also, getting an unprotected pick is a nice insurance policy should Lebron leave. It lets you start the rebuild process right away, instead of having to wait a whole year after Lebron left to add a high draft pick.
You can also use this around the deadline if there is someone out there that can put you over the top.
Look, I don't think the way the Cavs were constructed was good enough to beat the Warriors and their 4 all stars, and this current group probably isn't either, but it also gives you more wiggle room for both another finals run, and also a full blown reubild if Lebron leaves. Considering the team's hand was forced, I don't think we could have asked for much more. I still wish it would have worked out, because I would have loved to see Kyrie play more years in Cleveland, and even take over the reigns when Lebron moved on/retired.
Sucks, but I'm glad we didn't get fleeced.
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I agree Vers, this was a great deal. They lost all leverage when the news broke, and still got a ransom for Kyrie. This sums it up for me. When a player is pushing to be traded, the team does indeed lose leverage. This is an amazing deal all things considered.
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...just wondering, does Gilbert get a pass on letting Griffin walk then?
The new GM did well enough, especially under the circumstances (unless this was one of the trades Giff setup prior to his departure). I know a lot of people crushed Gilbert for not retaining Griff, so what's the status of that now?
-I'm not pulling a "told you so" or questioning anyone's intelligence, just wondering how you feel about Gilbert's GM decision after the trade.
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...just wondering, does Gilbert get a pass on letting Griffin walk then?
The new GM did well enough, especially under the circumstances (unless this was one of the trade Giff setup prior to his departure). I know a lot of people crushed Gilbert for not retaining Griff, so what's the status of that now?
-I'm not pulling a "told you so" or questioning anyone's intelligence, just wondering how you feel about Gilbert's GM decision after the trade. i wasnt that high on griff as some, I think I felt like Gilbert, being a GM on a team that has lebron isn't that difficult, you just have to understand NBA salary cap. Way back when news broke, i advocated to just promote Altman way before he became it, wanted no part of Billups . I think Altman has done a good job in a bad position. Now his biggest job is winning Lebron's trust
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-I'm not pulling a "told you so" or questioning anyone's intelligence, just wondering how you feel about Gilbert's GM decision after the trade. We're going to need to see a lot more moves/draft picks before making a decision. Altman was supposed to be getting groomed for a GM role, so it's not like he's completely green. We'll find out soon enough if he trades the first rounder for the equivalent of Jeri Welsch or drafts someone similar to Anthony Bennett. So far so good though. As for the trade, it's about as good as you can hope for considering the circumstances. We swapped Kyrie for a poor man's version of Kyrie in IT. I was hoping we might get a more traditional PG, but one that was in consideration for MVP will do. But then throw in Crowder and we got ourselves a good trade. Throw in the 18 year old, and it's better. Add the potential 1st pick of the next draft, and we really did great.
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I liked Grif and thought it was a mistake to lose him.
On the other hand, I haven't been as critical of the Cavs as others. I thought we still had the best team in the East and the pieces to compete for a title.
I think the trade was great for us, especially considering the circumstances.
I'm not sure how Thomas will fit in because he monopolizes the ball a lot, but.......so did Kyrie. We might even be able to trade IT. I don't know...
I do like Crowder. He'll bring some much needed toughness and attitude to the team.
The young dude and the pick! Man! It's almost incredible.
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Honestly, I think getting IT is the worst part of the trade. Not so much because he's a "bad" player, it's just he's the same exact player as Kyrie, just not as good in just about all areas. He's shorter, he plays slightly worse defense than Kyrie's bad defense, he's slightly more ball dominant than ISO Kyrie, etc.
However, all the other pieces are great. Crowder is a great 3 and D player. Every time he got the ball in space during the playoffs, he'd nail the 3. I can't imagine him with Lebron zipping him wide open looks. I'd much rather have him out there than Jefferson. (Sorry RJ, you're still great at Snapchat though). Zizic may turn out to be nothing, but at least we have some youth in a position of need now. Here's hoping that him or Eddy Tavarez pans out into the center we need. And finally, that Nets first rounder is just amazing.
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...just wondering, does Gilbert get a pass on letting Griffin walk then?
The new GM did well enough, especially under the circumstances (unless this was one of the trades Giff setup prior to his departure). I know a lot of people crushed Gilbert for not retaining Griff, so what's the status of that now? I really liked what Griff did with the team, and how he always seemed to find a deal to help fill a hole late in the season. Our new GM worked for the old GM. I think that he saw how Griff worked, and maybe even helped with some of the background info on guys we traded/traded for. As such, he would have been well acquainted with the team, and the league. I still can't believe the haul we got for Irving, especially after his demand to get out of Cleveland became public. I think that the new guy did extremely well.
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I guess Crowders Mom died the night he got traded...thats rough
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I guess Crowders Mom died the night he got traded...thats rough dang, sorry to hear that
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Not sure the team improved that much but I believe the dynamics have changed quite a bit. I think Vers meentioned Crowder and his toughness. I like that. I don't think ANYONE was afraid to drive the lane on us last year. Time will tell I guess.
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A few things.
I wonder if the "direction" differences between Griffin and the Cavs involved trading Kyrie? Maybe Griff didn't want to?
I've red now that the trade was stuck because the Cavs kept asking for Jason Tatum. Once they stopped asking for him. It went through. Also that the Celts didn't want to give up Smart (who I would've preferred over Thomas)
I'm trying to compare this trade to the Draft Trade of us getting Bledsoe and George. And while short term that one puts us on a different level. I think this trade long term (with George and James possible to leave after one season) is far better and even really good short term.
Also our New Uniforms are very blah.
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j/c: Fans in Boston are burning Isaiah Thomas jerseys. Uhmmmmm............the dude was traded, geniuses. 
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j/c: Fans in Boston are burning Isaiah Thomas jerseys. Uhmmmmm............the dude was traded, geniuses. yeah lebron came to IT's defense about that nonsense as well.
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j/c: Fans in Boston are burning Isaiah Thomas jerseys. Uhmmmmm............the dude was traded, geniuses. This kind of stuff is hard to take serious. Maybe they're Boston fans just trying to get views on YouTube or they're NY fans pretending to be Boston fans to make them look bad. Who knows. But yes, assuming they're real, he was traded guys. It's almost become something that happens any time a player leaves a team in the NBA. When Westbrook spurns the Thunder this offseason, some will do the same.* *IF Westbrook leaves the Thunder, that'll be hard to take as a fan there. How do you pick up those pieces? They had Ibaka, Harden, KD and Westbrook at one point and then they'd all be somewhere else.
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